Israel begins construction of new Gaza border barrier

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

The "Arabs" living there got there during the Muslim conquests. They were not 'there' before that. Which means they are the remains of the Muslim dynasty occupation.


As were the Arabs there who hailed from Muslim dynasties conquering most of the Levant.


They were thrown out, exiled and disenfranchised of their homeland. Every power after that (and even before) were conquerors.


After they conquered through the Islamic sword.

If you want to make an argument to give the land back to the Canaanites you could do that...But God expelled them from the land for His chosen Israel.


Rhetoric is not an argument.

The Arabs and Palestinians tried to eradicate Israel and her people not once, not twice, but three times.

Arabs have always lived there, they are the descendants of Esau and have lived in that area for generations.

Except for the fact that they were there long before Britain and have an actual claim on the Land a opposed to the Zionists there who claim to be Jews but are not.

Their Land was taken from them because they did not do as the Lord commanded. Every right or claim they had by blood is done with. Combine that with the fact that the people there today are not pure blooded as commanded but instead are a mixed and mingled people(Ezra 9:1-4, 10-14; Ezra 10:2-5, 10-12, 14-44; Nehemiah 13:13; Malachi 2:11,14,15,16; Deut 7:2-4; Deut 23:1-10; Leviticus 21:7:13-15; Exodus 34:12,16; 1 Kings 11:1-9,23-28; Genesis 27:46-Genesis 28:1-6; Genesis 24:3-4; Psalm 106:34-32) proves they have no more claim to that land. The Arabs have always lived there, and have never stopped.

And God expelled the Zionists, when they refused to keep his commands, by means of gentile nations. Now the Arabs are the only true people who have any claim to that land.

And the Zionists there today would happily do the same if they thought they could get away with it. But I like how you feel any past harm is justification for an unlimited amount of murder, theft, and genocide on a people until the end of time.

Also the truth is a great argument, that is why I spoke only the truth.

 

[redleghunter]

The people who are opposed to it seem to think having a border wall would actually make it easier for illegals to come across.

Yeah I’m wondering about that rationale.

 

[redleghunter]

Arabs have always lived there, they are the descendants of Esau and have lived in that area for generations.

Except for the fact that they were there long before Britain and have an actual claim on the Land a opposed to the Zionists there who claim to be Jews but are not.

Their Land was taken from them because they did not do as the Lord commanded. Every right or claim they had by blood is done with. Combine that with the fact that the people there today are not pure blooded as commanded but instead are a mixed and mingled people(Ezra 9:1-4, 10-14; Ezra 10:2-5, 10-12, 14-44; Nehemiah 13:13; Malachi 2:11,14,15,16; Deut 7:2-4; Deut 23:1-10; Leviticus 21:7:13-15; Exodus 34:12,16; 1 Kings 11:1-9,23-28; Genesis 27:46-Genesis 28:1-6; Genesis 24:3-4; Psalm 106:34-32) proves they have no more claim to that land. The Arabs have always lived there, and have never stopped.

And God expelled the Zionists, when they refused to keep his commands, by means of gentile nations. Now the Arabs are the only true people who have any claim to that land.

And the Zionists there today would happily do the same if they thought they could get away with it. But I like how you feel any past harm is justification for an unlimited amount of murder, theft, and genocide on a people until the end of time.

Also the truth is a great argument, that is why I spoke only the truth.

Esau was not an Arab tribe.

Again only the Canaanites would have a claim and God evicted them

 

[redleghunter]

And God expelled the Zionists, when they refused to keep his commands, by means of gentile nations. Now the Arabs are the only true people who have any claim to that land.

Even the apostle Paul refutes this:

Romans 11 NASB

 

[SolomonVII]

Life is a complicated journey for everybody. The point is Jews are there now and people are trying to get in and kill them. The walls are being built not to keep Jews from killing others, but to keep others from killing Jews.
Life is the ultimate value. If walls are effective, then the Israel government is upholding its mandate to keep citizens safe within their own borders.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Esau was not an Arab tribe.

Again only the Canaanites would have a claim and God evicted them

Esau was the Father of many of the Arab tribes, and the Arab tribes that he fathered settled around Jerusalem and over time when the Jews had their kingdom taken from them by God the Descendants of Esau took the Land and are now the only ones who have claim on that land.

As God evicted the Zionists that call themselves Jews in Israel today.

 

[redleghunter]

Esau was the Father of many of the Arab tribes, and the Arab tribes that he fathered settled around Jerusalem and over time when the Jews had their kingdom taken from them by God the Descendants of Esau took the Land and are now the only ones who have claim on that land.

As God evicted the Zionists that call themselves Jews in Israel today.

Ishmael yes. Esau no. And none of the Cannanites were Arab.

The Arabs did not inhabit Palestine until the Islamic dynasties.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Even the apostle Paul refutes this:

Romans 11 NASB

Well if you read brother they have been broken off the root of Abraham by their unbelief and would have need to be grafted back in through faith in Christ.
Romans 11
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


The Covenant that will graft them back in is the New covenant through Christ.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.


The only Jews that exist now are the Jews after the Circumcison of the Heart and spirit through faith in Christ.
The kingdom was taken from the OT Jews and given to us(Matt 21:43; Romans 10:19,20; Acts 28:25-28) who are made Jews after the Circumcision of the heart and spirit(Romans 2:28-29; Acts 15:7-9; Romans 10:8; Colossians 2:11-13; Philippians 3:3) it was given to us(who are the new Jews, the people of God's Israel). The Lord's kingdom is not of this world, and his Israel is a Spiritual Israel.

 

[redleghunter]

Well if you read brother they have been broken off the root of Abraham by their unbelief and would have need to be grafted back in through faith in Christ.
Romans 11
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


The Covenant that will graft them back in is the New covenant through Christ.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.


The only Jews that exist now are the Jews after the Circumcison of the Heart and spirit through faith in Christ.
The kingdom was taken from the OT Jews and given to us(Matt 21:43; Romans 10:19,20; Acts 28:25-28) who are made Jews after the Circumcision of the heart and spirit(Romans 2:28-29; Acts 15:7-9; Romans 10:8; Colossians 2:11-13; Philippians 3:3) it was given to us(who are the new Jews, the people of God's Israel). The Lord's kingdom is not of this world, and his Israel is a Spiritual Israel.

Apparently there are Jews left. Hitler was convinced they were Jews.

Also this:

The origins of Palestinians are complex and diverse. The region was not originally Arab — its Arabization was a consequence of the inclusion of Palestine within the rapidly expanding Arab Empire conquered by Arabian tribes and their local allies in the first millennium, most significantly during the Islamic conquest of Syria in the 7th century. Palestine, then a Hellenized region controlled by the Byzantine empire, with a large Christian population, came under the political and cultural influence of Arabic-speaking Muslim dynasties, including the Kurdish Ayyubids. From the conquest down to the 11th century, half of the world's Christians lived under the new Muslim order and there was no attempt for that period to convert them.

Palestinians - Wikipedia

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Ishmael yes. Esau no. And none of the Cannanites were Arab.

The Arabs did not inhabit Palestine until the Islamic dynasties.

Esau and Ishmael both, thank for you pointing out that Ishmael is also father of Arab tribes. The Edomites which settled below Jerusalem came from Esau and the majority of the other Arab tribes came from Ishmael.

The Arabs did inhabit Palestine and around Palestine before Islam. But even after Islam their claim is still stronger since no other people today have any claim on that land by heritage.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Apparently there are Jews left. Hitler was convinced they were Jews.

Also this:

The origins of Palestinians are complex and diverse. The region was not originally Arab — its Arabization was a consequence of the inclusion of Palestine within the rapidly expanding Arab Empire conquered by Arabian tribes and their local allies in the first millennium, most significantly during the Islamic conquest of Syria in the 7th century. Palestine, then a Hellenized region controlled by the Byzantine empire, with a large Christian population, came under the political and cultural influence of Arabic-speaking Muslim dynasties, including the Kurdish Ayyubids. From the conquest down to the 11th century, half of the world's Christians lived under the new Muslim order and there was no attempt for that period to convert them.

Palestinians - Wikipedia

Hitler was after the Zionists, he mistakenly called them Jews. Everyone makes mistakes.

The Area was taken from the Jews and the Arabs which settled in that area were the Edomites and other Arab tribes. But again they don't need a claim that dates back to right after the flood. They have been there for well over a thousand years. Which gives them more of a claim by heritage than any other people today.

 

[redleghunter]

But even after Islam their claim is still stronger since no other people today have any claim on that land by heritage.

By your standard every empire since Alexander owned Palestine. So if we want to legally apply your standard before 1948, then the UK owns Palestine, Egypt Gaza and West Bank Jordan.



Biblically there is only one people who were given the Land by YHWH....the sons of Jacob. That’s a Divine promise.

 

[redleghunter]

The Area was taken from the Jews and the Arabs which settled in that area were the Edomites and other Arab tribes. But again they don't need a claim that dates back to right after the flood. They have been there for well over a thousand years. Which gives them more of a claim by heritage than any other people today.

Like Oklahoma Sooners.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

By your standard every empire since Alexander owned Palestine. So if we want to legally apply your standard before 1948, then the UK owns Palestine, Egypt Gaza and West Bank Jordan.



Biblically there is only one people who were given the Land by YHWH....the sons of Jacob. That’s a Divine promise.

Not every empire, every people. The British empire was an empire with no claim by heritage. The Arab people that lived there for well over a thousand years have a claim by heritage.

Biblically they were to keep the Commandments given by YHWH(one of which was not to mingle with any other people or even amongst one of the other twelve tribes other than their own), they did not do this so the kingdom was taken from them. That was also a divine promise. If they disobeyed the Lord they would be cursed and punished. Their punisment(the end result of their unbelief in Christ and disobedience to God) was that they were cut off the root of Abraham and the Kingdom was taken from them because of their unbelief and disobedience.
Deut 11:28
28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

Deut 28:15
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Matt 21:43
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The kingdom was taken from them because of their disobedience and unbelief, they are no more Jews or God's chosen people until they turn to Christ.

So the claim by promise of God was to the descendants of Abraham who kept the commands of God and did not mingle with gentiles. The Zionists do not keep the commands of God neither do they have pure blood as commanded, therefore they have no biblical claim to that land.

So heritage if not determined by biblical claim must go to the people who have actually lived there for well over a thousand years.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Like Oklahoma Sooners.

I didn't know they had lived in the region of Palestine for over a thousand years before having their land stolen from them by Zionists. If they did, then yes like the Oklahoma Sooners.

 

[Nige55]

Why are people so worried about "patrolling a wall". It's as if they're not already patrolling the border that is currently wide open, which is actually the best case for having a wall there.

Plus, Israel can't then be demonised for a wall 'attacking innocent civillians'. It's Israel's best bet.

 

[Nige55]

Hitler was after the Zionists, he mistakenly called them Jews. Everyone makes mistakes.

You've made this up to suit your own narrative. It's simply wrong. I suppose they spelled 'Judenhass' wrong then ? Another mistake ?

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

You've made this up to suit your own narrative. It's simply wrong. I suppose they spelled 'Judenhass' wrong then ? Another mistake ?

Well the fact is the only Jews are Christians after the Circumcision of the Heart. The people who call themselves Jews but are not but are of the Synagogue of Satan are the Zionists.

Hitler wanted the Zionists out of his Country because of what they did to his country(it's all in his book), just because Hitler didn't know(or didn't care) that these Zionists were not actually to be called Jews means nothing.

 

[bèlla]

I have never seen a stranger spectacle than a Christian who hates Jews while professing a belief in a faith whose foundation is derived from Jews. What a mess!

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

I have never seen a stranger spectacle than a Christian who hates Jews while professing a belief in a faith whose foundation is derived from Jews. What a mess!

Well if your referring to me sister I do not hate Jews, I love Jews(Jews being Christians). I also love the Zionists(as Christ said we are to love our enemies also) but I truly hate their ways since they are of the synagogue of Satan.

My faith in the Lord is derived from the Lord.