Israel begins construction of new Gaza border barrier

[redleghunter]

It could block both. You never know if someone is trying to cross into Israel to seek asylum, and we never know if someone is crossing the Mexico/America border to commit terrorism.

The whole purpose of border security is to enforce your immigration laws and protect your country.

It’s pretty simple really.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Are we trying to keep out terrorists that are determined to destroy us?

While it is true not every person crossing our boarder illegally through unobstructed entry points has bad intentions, and while it is true not every person with bad intentions can technically be labeled a terrorist, I do not doubt that terrorist have used the southern boarder as a point of entry. It's not like they enter with a t-shirt that say's "hey, i'm a terrorist beware". Neither do the illegal drug smugglers, the human traffickers, rapists, murderers, thieves, nor members of violent gangs. Are you any more comfortable with murderers pouring into the country than terrorists? Both will not appear to be what they are. It is like the situation of a police officer who has no clue who he really pulled over until he runs a licence check on them and checks for outstanding warrants, etc.

 

[Yarddog]

Border physical barriers either keep things and people out or they try to keep them in (Berlin wall).

Or both.

 

[Yarddog]

It could block both. You never know if someone is trying to cross into Israel to seek asylum, and we never know if someone is crossing the Mexico/America border to commit terrorism.

The OP asked a question and I answered.
Background & Overview of Israel's Security Barriers

 

[DamianWarS]

Israel begins construction of new Gaza border barrier

Israel said Sunday that work to strengthen its border with the Gaza Strip had entered a new phase, with construction starting on a massive new barrier along the frontier.

"Over the weekend we began building the above-ground barrier along the Gaza border," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told journalists before the weekly cabinet meeting.

The barrier, set to stand six metres (20 feet) off the ground, "will prevent terrorists from Gaza from penetrating into our territory on the ground", he said in Hebrew.

Netanyahu gave no further details but a defence ministry statement said that work on the structure began Thursday.

It is set to follow the 65-kilometre (40-mile) course of an underground barrier also under construction meant to neutralise the threat of cross-border tunnels built by Gaza militants.

At its western end, the statement said, the above-ground barrier would join a fortified sea wall jutting into the Mediterranean, aimed at blocking Palestinian attacks by water.

More at link: Israel begins construction of new Gaza border barrier


Why is Israel opting for physical barriers? Why not just increase ground sensors and drones?

are the Palestinians paying for this "wall"?

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

are the Palestinians paying for this "wall"?

If the case for necessity were made and a national emergency were declared for the security of Israel and the overall welfare of their people, would it really matter where the funding comes from?

 

[Nige55]

People fail to understand that the walls in Israel have actually protected Palestinian lives also. During the second intifada, suicide bombings were killing Palestinians also, either in Israel, or crossing into (or even not that far if things went wrong). The wall virtually eliminated this.
It gave Palestinians crossing into, trading with or working in Israel a safe, controlled way to enter, without the possibility of being 'on the wrong bus'.
There's certainly nothing wrong with walls biblically either, plenty of examples through scripture.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Israel begins construction of new Gaza border barrier

Israel said Sunday that work to strengthen its border with the Gaza Strip had entered a new phase, with construction starting on a massive new barrier along the frontier.

"Over the weekend we began building the above-ground barrier along the Gaza border," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told journalists before the weekly cabinet meeting.

The barrier, set to stand six metres (20 feet) off the ground, "will prevent terrorists from Gaza from penetrating into our territory on the ground", he said in Hebrew.

Netanyahu gave no further details but a defence ministry statement said that work on the structure began Thursday.

It is set to follow the 65-kilometre (40-mile) course of an underground barrier also under construction meant to neutralise the threat of cross-border tunnels built by Gaza militants.

At its western end, the statement said, the above-ground barrier would join a fortified sea wall jutting into the Mediterranean, aimed at blocking Palestinian attacks by water.

More at link: Israel begins construction of new Gaza border barrier


Why is Israel opting for physical barriers? Why not just increase ground sensors and drones?

Israel should just give back the land they stole from Palestine, then they wouldn't need a wall to keep out people trying to take back what is rightfully theirs.

 

[redleghunter]

Israel should just give back the land they stole from Palestine, then they wouldn't need a wall to keep out people trying to take back what is rightfully theirs.

Then according to who actually 'owned' the land prior to 1948 most of Israel would go back to the UK, the "West bank" would go back to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt. There were no "Palestinian" lands before 1948. There was no Palestinian state(s) prior to 1948. The last people to inhabit what is called Palestine prior to 1948 other than empires who conquered it were the Jews. They have a historical claim to the land.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Then according to who actually 'owned' the land prior to 1948 most of Israel would go back to the UK, the "West bank" would go back to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt. There were no "Palestinian" lands before 1948. There was no Palestinian state(s) prior to 1948. The last people to inhabit what is called Palestine prior to 1948 other than empires who conquered it were the Jews. They have a historical claim to the land.

Not true brother, the Arabs(more specifically the Palestinians) were living the the area of Jerusalem long before Britain was even thought. Britain was an occupying force, the Arabs have always lived there. The Zionists have no claim to that land as they haven't lived there and ruled there in hundreds of years. The Arabs on the other hand have been there for centuries living and ruling over that stretch of land.

And even looking past the fact that these Zionists have no claim to the land, they have been killing innocent Palestinians, demolishing their homes, and systematically stealing more and more of their land since they arrived(arrived being the key word since they were not always there). They commit war crimes daily, and the UN should unite against the Zionists and have them removed from the Land they have stolen.

 

[Arcangl86]

Of course there is absolutely no difference between a 150 mile long wall and a 2000 mile long wall in these people's minds.

 

[redleghunter]

Not true brother, the Arabs(more specifically the Palestinians) were living the the area of Jerusalem long before Britain was even thought.

The "Arabs" living there got there during the Muslim conquests. They were not 'there' before that. Which means they are the remains of the Muslim dynasty occupation.

Britain was an occupying force, the Arabs have always lived there.

As were the Arabs there who hailed from Muslim dynasties conquering most of the Levant.

The Zionists have no claim to that land as they haven't lived there and ruled there in hundreds of years.

They were thrown out, exiled and disenfranchised of their homeland. Every power after that (and even before) were conquerors.

The Arabs on the other hand have been there for centuries living and ruling over that stretch of land.

After they conquered through the Islamic sword.

If you want to make an argument to give the land back to the Canaanites you could do that...But God expelled them from the land for His chosen Israel.

And even looking past the fact that these Zionists have no claim to the land, they have been killing innocent Palestinians, demolishing their homes, and systematically stealing more and more of their land since they arrived(arrived being the key word since they were not always there). They commit war crimes daily, and the UN should unite against the Zionists and have them removed from the Land they have stolen.

Rhetoric is not an argument.

The Arabs and Palestinians tried to eradicate Israel and her people not once, not twice, but three times.

 

[redleghunter]

Of course there is absolutely no difference between a 150 mile long wall and a 2000 mile long wall in these people's minds.

Do proportions matter when trying to accomplish security?

 

[Arcangl86]

Do proportions matter when trying to accomplish security?

Yes. Because it's much, much easier to try to patrol a 150 mile wall then it is a 2000 mile one. Scale matters, and because of the scale required, as well as a couple of other considerations, the wall isn't the best solution.

 

[Nige55]

And even looking past the fact that these Zionists have no claim to the land, they have been killing innocent Palestinians, demolishing their homes, and systematically stealing more and more of their land since they arrived(arrived being the key word since they were not always there). They commit war crimes daily, and the UN should unite against the Zionists and have them removed from the Land they have stolen.

This kind of extreme, baseless rhetoric has clearly brainwashed both you, and much of the gullible West.
There's a reason it's called Pallywood.

 

[NW82]

Why is Israel opting for physical barriers? Why not just increase ground sensors and drones?

I would thing this is obviously. You can't simply walk over a physical barrier. Sensors and drones work but it requires reaction time. Whereas hindering unwanted movement, to allow for that reaction time, is much more impactful.

 

[SolomonVII]

Are we trying to keep out terrorists that are determined to destroy us?

I would hope so.

 

[SolomonVII]

The walls in Israel effectively put an end to the Intifada and the almost daily terrorist incidents. That is why they are reinforcing the network of barriers with even more barriers.
Or, the walls are ineffective and the Israelis are building the walls to send some kind of message?
Read from the perspective of American politics, it is impossible to tell if the wall is working or not. That is because of the basic dishonesty of Americans on the issue of border security.

 

[Aldebaran]

The whole purpose of border security is to enforce your immigration laws and protect your country.

It’s pretty simple really.

The people who are opposed to it seem to think having a border wall would actually make it easier for illegals to come across.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes. Because it's much, much easier to try to patrol a 150 mile wall then it is a 2000 mile one. Scale matters, and because of the scale required, as well as a couple of other considerations, the wall isn't the best solution.

Why are people so worried about "patrolling a wall". It's as if they're not already patrolling the border that is currently wide open, which is actually the best case for having a wall there.