THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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No, Remember your argument about Mat 5:17-18 about jots and titles? Why do you play both sides of the fence? You can't play for the opposition and remain on the team. MK 6:24
Now how would I be playing both sides? Your post makes no sense.
 
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It's a different covenant.

We are in a new covenant and it is different. No more sacrifices and no more earlthy sanctuary and levitival priesthood. God's LAW (10 commandments) however according to the NEW COVENANT have the same purpose they always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we KNOWINGLY break any one of them we stand guity before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. This includes God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 commandments *EXODUS 20:8-11
 
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Nope. No he did not. ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.
Just avoidance of the question by responding to only part of discussed passage.
LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God
That's why you post Rev 22:14
There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment of any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.
You've been asked before by me if you esteem or rerguard any day. You simply by-passed the question as I suspect you will again.
Some points to consider in Romans 14:1-15

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.
No way. Jews have a kosher house, Gentiles don't. That's why Jews didn't eat with gentiles. We eat pork they don't. That has nothing to do with what is eaten on certain days.
[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on
If you came top my house I wouldn't try to serve you pork. Since you're not coming to my house I can't offend you by eating pork out of your presence. If you say no, you'd be trying to run my household imprisoning me to your religion.
[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:
Does this include you? You dodged the question before.
Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Yes you do and by Scripture (Rev 22:14). It serves multiple purposes for you -

  • gloating
  • condemnation
  • spreading fear
  • attempted manipulation
The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]
Big deal. We're not Jews and even a Jewish believer isn't obligated to the law Rom 7:6. Paul says "we" which includes himself a natural blood line Jew.
[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans
Doesn't need to be when esteemed day is mentioned.
[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans
ditto
[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans
ditto
[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments
So context includes the sabbath by your admission. The sabbath is the 4th of the famous 10.
[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
You'll try anything.
[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:
You're offensive trying to tell me what to do even in my own home eating what I want because it offends you. How? since you're not present.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
So don't do it.
[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:
You don't believe this. This is achieved by simply by throwing out what you don't like.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
What happened to verse 6? "But we are now delivered from the law..."
[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14
So, what's your point?
[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.
Paul no where says to keep the law much less the sabbath. In fact he even says to throw them (the law) out.
[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).
They aren't part of the new covenant.
[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14
So what.
[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans
So what.
[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".
So what. Do you know this first hand for all Sunday meeting Christians? Proof, please.
[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day
So what.
[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances
Simply not true as indicated by the conversation in this thread.
Conclusion: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others.

Hope this helps.
Are you really trying to get us to toss the Scripture?
 
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Just avoidance of the question by responding to only part of discussed passage.That's why you post Rev 22:14You've been asked before by me if you esteem or rerguard any day. You simply by-passed the question as I suspect you will again.No way. Jews have a kosher house, Gentiles don't. That's why Jews didn't eat with gentiles. We eat pork they don't. That has nothing to do with what is eaten on certain days.If you came top my house I wouldn't try to serve you pork. Since you're not coming to my house I can't offend you by eating pork out of your presence. If you say no, you'd be trying to run my household imprisoning me to your religion. Does this include you? You dodged the question before.Yes you do and by Scripture (Rev 22:14). It serves multiple purposes for you -

  • gloating
  • condemnation
  • spreading fear
  • attempted manipulation
Big deal. We're not Jews and even a Jewish believer isn't obligated to the law Rom 7:6. Paul says "we" which includes himself a natural blood line Jew.Doesn't need to be when esteemed day is mentioned.dittodittoSo context includes the sabbath by your admission. The sabbath is the 4th of the famous 10.You'll try anything.You're offensive trying to tell me what to do even in my own home eating what I want because it offends you. How? since you're not present.So don't do it.You don't believe this. This is achieved by simply by throwing out what you don't like.What happened to verse 6? "But we are now delivered from the law..."So, what's your point?
Paul no where says to keep the law much less the sabbath. In fact he even says to throw them (the law) out.They aren't part of the new covenant.So what.So what.So what. Do you know this first hand for all Sunday meeting Christians? Proof, please.So what.Simply not true as indicated by the conversation in this thread.Are you really trying to get us to toss the Scripture?

What is quite amazing is that you did not address anything in the post you are quoting from. You simply ignored the scriptures and provided your own words.

Where does it say in ROMANS 14 that it is talking about God's 4th commandement?

Wait a minute it doesn't that is why you cannot provide the scriptures. By trying to claim ROMANS 14 is talking about the SABBATH when the SABBATH is not even mentioned is saying the scriptures are saying things they are not saying.

ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems.

The things that men esteem are an abomination to God.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.
 
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What is quite amazing is that you did not address anything in the post you are quoting from. You simply ignored the scriptures and provided your own words.

Where does it say in ROMANS 14 that it is talking about God's 4th commandement?

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

What day do you esteem? What day do you regard? You're trying to tell me to set aside the 7th day for some reason. I don't regard it. You do regard it.

Regard as a verb is defined as - consider or think of (someone or something) in a specified way. You do this with Saturday. For me it's just another day.

Regard as a noun is defined as - attention to or concern for something. You have a concern for Saturday I don't.

Yes I understand your claim the sabbath isn't mentioned. However a day you regard and esteem is. That just happens to be the same day - Saturday.
Wait a minute it doesn't that is why you cannot provide the scriptures. By trying to claim ROMANS 14 is talking about the SABBATH when the SABBATH is not even mentioned is saying the scriptures are saying things they are not saying.
Silly and worthless games that don't begin to mess with my mind.
ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems.
It doesn't matter what God esteems in those verses. It doesn't matter why or what a man esteems in those verses. It says some do and some don't.

Esteem defined as a verb is - respect and admire.

Esteem defined as a noun is - respect and admiration.

So I guess that you neither esteem nor regard Saturday because you refuse to admit that as I asked of you. If you want to c&p the Greek, be my guest.
The things that men esteem are an abomination to God.
So you must be saying esteeming Saturday must be and abomination to God. Amazing because that's exactly what the 4th commandments says to do.
LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God
That is what you do especially when referencing Rev 14:12 or/and 22:14.
Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.
Agreed. You keep the covenant given to Israel in the desert and I will keep the covenant Jeremiah promised and Jesus ratified.
 
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Each should be convinced in his own mind about what?
Paul stated that we can still observe sat, or Sun, or any day of the Week unto the lord now.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
 
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What is quite amazing is that you did not address anything in the post you are quoting from. You simply ignored the scriptures and provided your own words.
Are you trying to tell me I need to copy your verses or something else? Isn't that what I do by quoting your post?
 
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5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
What day do you esteem? What day do you regard? You're trying to tell me to set aside the 7th day for some reason. I don't regard it. You do regard it. Regard as a verb is defined as - consider or think of (someone or something) in a specified way. You do this with Saturday. For me it's just another day. Regard as a noun is defined as - attention to or concern for something. You have a concern for Saturday I don't. Yes I understand your claim the sabbath isn't mentioned. However a day you regard and esteem is. That just happens to be the same day - Saturday.Silly and worthless games that don't begin to mess with my mind.It doesn't matter what God esteems in those verses. It doesn't matter why or what a man esteems in those verses. It says some do and some don't. Esteem defined as a verb is - respect and admire. Esteem defined as a noun is - respect and admiration. So I guess that you neither esteem nor regard Saturday because you refuse to admit that as I asked of you. If you want to c&p the Greek, be my guest. So you must be saying esteeming Saturday must be and abomination to God. Amazing because that's exactly what the 4th commandments says to do.That is what you do especially when referencing Rev 14:12 or/and 22:14.Agreed. You keep the covenant given to Israel in the desert and I will keep the covenant Jeremiah promised and Jesus ratified.

Now please show us where in any of these scriptures God's WORD is talking about God's 4th Commandment. Your trying your best to read into the scriptures something that they are not talking about. The CONTEXT that you leave out of v5 and v6 read this way.

ROMANS 14:1-22
[1], Him that is weak in the faith receive you, but not to doubtful disputations.
[2], For one believes that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eats herbs.
[3], Let not him that eats despise him that eats not; and let not him which eats not judge him that eats: for God has received him.
[4], Who are you that judge another man's servant? to his own master he stands or falls. Yes, he shall be held up: for God is able to make him stand.
[5], One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[6], He that regards the day, regards it to the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks.
[7], For none of us lives to himself, and no man dies to himself.
[8], For whether we live, we live to the Lord; and whether we die, we die to the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
[9], For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
[10], But why do you judge your brother? or why do you set at nothing your brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
[11], For it is written, As I live, said the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[12], So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[13], Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
[14], I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
[15], But if your brother be grieved with your meat, now walk you not charitably. Destroy not him with your meat, for whom Christ died.
[16], Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
[17], For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
[19], Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things with which one may edify another.
[20], For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eats with offense.
[21], It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby your brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak.
[22], Have you faith? have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that comdemns not himself in that thing which he allows.
[23], And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith: for whatever is not of faith is sin.

ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment of any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

SOME POINTS TO CONSIDER IN ROMANS 14:1-23

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

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CONCLUSION
: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others.

The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

Hope this helps.
 
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Paul stated that we can still observe sat, or Sun, or any day of the Week unto the lord now. Each person should be convinced in his own mind.

Nope. No he didn't ROMANS 14 is not talking about the SABBATH of God's 4th commandment. ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.
 
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Are you trying to tell me I need to copy your verses or something else? Isn't that what I do by quoting your post?

Nope read what you are quoting from and address the content and the scriptures in them. Your only quoting the post without addressing what it is talking about and the scriptures that disagree with you in most cases. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.
 
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Anything of law or command in ink or stone.

Nope it is not. That is the same as saying you are free not to follow the bible and to lie, steal, murder commit adultery...etc. Please read post # 1039 linked. HEBREWS 7 is talking about a change of the laws from the MOSAIC Priesthood. This post has already been addressed you simply ignored it and all the scriptures in it that disagree with you.

Let's look at the scriptures...

HEBREWS 7 CHANGE OF LAW

Your trying to argue that the change in the law in HEBREWS 7:12 is in reference to the 10 Commandments because you thought that the OLD COVENANT is only the 10 commandments. The scripture posted above show that the OLD COVENANT include both the 10 commandments and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:8, which contained all the laws for remission of sin, ceremonial ordinances for the Levitical priest hood. So what is the CONTEXT of HEBREWS 7 and what laws is it talking about? Is HEBREWS 7 talking about the 10 commandments or the MOSAIC BOOK of the laws for remission of sins *DEUTERONOMY 29:21?

Let's look at the scriptures...

HEBREWS 7:1-28
[1], For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[2], To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[3], Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually.
[4], Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
[5], And truly they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brothers, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

NOTE: In the earthly Sanctuary only those from the tribe of Levi could be Priests. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah also note that the context of the chapter now is the Priesthood and the king and Priest in the days of Abraham named Melchisedec.

[6], But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
[7], And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
[8], And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
[9], And as I may so say, Levi also, who receives tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
[10], For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
[11], If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, for under it the people received the law, what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

NOTE: Topic is on the Levitical Priesthood the law we are talking about are the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23. The Priesthood was to be only for the tribe of Levi under the OLD COVENANT.

[12], For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[13], For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[14], For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
[15], And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,

NOTE: Jesus from the tribe of Judah is now our great high Priest from the order of Melchisedec. No more animal sacrifices.

[16], Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[17], For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[18], For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[19], For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near to God.
[20], And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[21], For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said to him, The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
[22], By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[23], And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[24], But this man, because he continues ever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
[25], Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
[26], For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[27], Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
[28], For the law makes men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, makes the Son, who is consecrated for ever more.

NOTE: v28 does the 10 commandments make men high Priests or does the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23?

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 7:12 in relation to the change of laws is talking about the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW not the 10 commandments and a change in the Priesthood and the laws that accompany it from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 24:7. Not the 10 commandments.

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Here's exactly what you said -
שׁבת; shâbath or REST (H7673) is the ORIGIN or ROOT word for שׁבּת; shabbâth (H7676).
Essentially your claim is they're the same by origin or root.

Well that has no truth in it. Read what was posted to you earlier. All what was said was that שׁבת; shâbath or REST (H7673) is the ORIGIN or ROOT word for שׁבּת; shabbâth (H7676) which it is.

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H7676
SABBATH 7676
. שַׁבָּת shabbâth, shab-bawth´; intens. from 7673; intermission, i.e. (spec.) the Sabbath: every sabbath.

I never said that the HEBREW words for שׁבת; shâbath or REST (H7673) and שׁבּת; shabbâth (H7676) were the same now did I? If I never said the Hebrew words for REST and SABBATH were the same why try and pretend that I did? I posted them as separate words in the same context as KEEPING SABBATH REST EVERY SEVENTH DAY and the word REST in GENESIS 2 also means KEEPING OF THE SABBATH REST. Here is the post again, please read it more carefully.

GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: because that in it he had RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] from all his work which God created and made.

The Hebrew word for RESTED used here is שׁבת; shâbath (H7673). It's meaning is; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, KEEP SABBATH, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

שׁבת; shâbath or REST (H7673) is the ORIGIN or ROOT word for שׁבּת; shabbâth (H7676) which is used in God's 4th commandments translated into english as SABBATH. The HEBREW Word for shabbâth meaing is the intermission between SABBATHS or shâbath (H7673) REST or the continuation meaing from one SABBATH REST to the Next SABBATH REST continuation or EVERY SABBATH. It's application is in God's 4th commandment EXODUS 20:8 is to REMEMBER [EVERY] Sabbath [shabbâth H7676].

In the 4th commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11; v11 tells us the ORIGINS of God's 4th commandments Sabbath is in reference to GENESIS 2:1-3 and the reason why it is given as a memorial of Greation to whorship God as the creator of Heaven and Earth.

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Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H7673
REST
from GENESIS 2:1-3 שׁבת; shâbath; shaw-bath' A primitive root; to REPOSE, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, CELEBRATE, cause (make) to fail, KEEP SABBATH, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) REST, rid, still, take away.

Hope this helps.
 
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Nope it is not that is the same as saying you are free not to follow the bible and to lie, steal, murder commit adultery...etc. Please read post # 1039 linked. HEBREWS 7 is talking about a change of the laws from the MOSAIC Priesthood. This post has already been addressed you simply ignored it and all the scriptures in it that disagree with you.Let's look at the scriptures...HEBREWS 7 CHANGE OF LAWYour trying to argue that the change in the law in HEBREWS 7:12 is in reference to the 10 Commandments because you thought that the OLD COVENANT is only the 10 commandments.

But I didn't think that. You would need to quote me saying that, and I have not.
For this reason:

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

2 Corinthians 3:1-18
Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you? You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all. And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God.

This covers all law, shadow law, and law in stones.
 
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Nope. No he didn't ROMANS 14 is not talking about the SABBATH of God's 4th commandment.

I'm convinced in my own mind that he is. That's what matters.
You missed the lesson by requiring context, which the New Testament has never required the same context when quoting the OT 655 times.
 
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But I didn't think that. You would need to quote me saying that, and I have not.
For this reason:

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

2 Corinthians 3:1-18
Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you? You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all. And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God.

This covers all law, shadow law, and law in stones.

Your post does not make any sense as the quote you were responding to was from your other post and claim about HEBREWS 7 talking about the 10 commandments which is what post # 1072 linked is responding to.
 
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Well that has no truth in it. Read what was posted to you earlier. All what was said was that שׁבת; shâbath or REST (H7673) is the ORIGIN or ROOT word for שׁבּת; shabbâth (H7676) which it is.

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H7676
SABBATH 7676
. שַׁבָּת shabbâth, shab-bawth´; intens. from 7673; intermission, i.e. (spec.) the Sabbath: every sabbath.

I never said that the HEBREW words for שׁבת; shâbath or REST (H7673) and שׁבּת; shabbâth (H7676) were the same now did I? If I never said the Hebrew words for REST and SABBATH were the same why try and pretend that I did? I posted them as separate words in the same context as KEEPING SABBATH REST EVERY SEVENTH DAY and the word REST in GENESIS 2 also means KEEPING OF THE SABBATH REST. Here is the post again, please read it more carefully.

GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: because that in it he had RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] from all his work which God created and made.

The Hebrew word for RESTED used here is שׁבת; shâbath (H7673). It's meaning is; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, KEEP SABBATH, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

שׁבת; shâbath or REST (H7673) is the ORIGIN or ROOT word for שׁבּת; shabbâth (H7676) which is used in God's 4th commandments translated into english as SABBATH. The HEBREW Word for shabbâth meaing is the intermission between SABBATHS or shâbath (H7673) REST or the continuation meaing from one SABBATH REST to the Next SABBATH REST continuation or EVERY SABBATH. It's application is in God's 4th commandment EXODUS 20:8 is to REMEMBER [EVERY] Sabbath [shabbâth H7676].

In the 4th commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11; v11 tells us the ORIGINS of God's 4th commandments Sabbath is in reference to GENESIS 2:1-3 and the reason why it is given as a memorial of Greation to whorship God as the creator of Heaven and Earth.

...............

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H7673
REST
from GENESIS 2:1-3 שׁבת; shâbath; shaw-bath' A primitive root; to REPOSE, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, CELEBRATE, cause (make) to fail, KEEP SABBATH, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) REST, rid, still, take away.

Hope this helps.

Nothing in the Old Testament is a requirement.
 
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I'm convinced in my own mind that he is. That's what matters. You missed the lesson by requiring context, which the New Testament has never required the same context when quoting the OT 655 times.

Of course CONTEXT matters you can't pull a scripture out of context and say it means something different to what the context is talking about. Please show me where ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th Commandment 7th Day Sabbath? Fact is it doesn't.

ROMANS 14 is not talking about the SABBATH of God's 4th commandment. ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

ROMANS 14 is not talking about the SABBATH of God's 4th commandment. ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.
 
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Your post does not make any sense as the quote you were responding to was from your other post and claim about HEBREWS 7 talking about the 10 commandments which is what post # 1072 linked is responding to.
The "10 Commandments" are not seperate law.
You'll find all the obsolete law here:
  1. Build the Holy sanctuary of Yahweh. (Exodus 25:8-9)
  2. We must reverence Yahweh in the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Leviticus 19:30)
  3. Guard the sanctuary of Yahweh at all times. (Numbers 18:2, 4)
  4. The priests and Levites shall do their appointed work in the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Numbers 18:23,6-7)
  5. The priests must wash their hands and feet. (Exodus 30:17-21)
  6. The priests must light the seven lamp lampstand. (Exodus 27:20-21)
  7. The priests must bless the people with the Name of Yahweh. (Numbers 6:23-27)
  8. The priests must set the showbread and frankincense before the ark. (Exodus 25:30)
  9. The priests must burn the incense on the golden altar in the morning and between the evenings. (Exodus 30:7-8)
  10. The priests must keep the fire burning on the altar continuously. (Leviticus 6:12-13)
  11. The priests must remove the ashes from the altar daily. (Leviticus 6:10-11)
  12. The priests must keep the ritually unclean out of the inner court of the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Numbers 5:2-3)
  13. The priests must be regarded as holy. (Leviticus 21:8)
  14. The priests must dress in special priestly garments. (Exodus 28:2-43)
  15. The priests must bear the responsibility for the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Numbers 18:1, 5)
  16. The priests must prepare the holy anointing oil according to its formula. (Exodus 30:23-33)
  17. The priests must perform their services at the sanctuary of Yahweh at the appointed time. (Deuteronomy 18:6-8)
  18. The priests may become ritually unclean due to certain close relatives. (Leviticus 21:1-4)
  19. The High Priest may marry only a virgin. (Leviticus 21:13-14)
The Law: All 613 Commandments!
 
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Nothing in the Old Testament is a requirement.

Well that is not true. Do you believe the NEW TESTAMENT?

Gods LAW (10 Commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.
 
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