THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[SkyWriting]

IF a Sda wants to keep the Sabbath still, fine, but do not force all others to keep it, nor judge us for not agreeing with them on this issue!

Lefist, Commie Liberal now?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Lefist, Commie Liberal now?

Nope, just stating that in Christ, on these areas of preference and conviction, free to choose, but do not let that freedom become legalism, as in all have to do it your way also!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No he only wants to argue. He rarely responds to what is said.

Sadly there is no truth in this. Best to leave that between you and God.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Don't have what it takes to post your passage eh? I quote it for you and the readers -

2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

This really applies to you. You don't keep the the sabbath as written in the famous 10. Essentially the same as you accuse me of with your usual unrepentant sin post.

Now how much trouble would it cause me to comment on every verse?

You could have just answered my question. But it's much easier for you to avoid that and condemn.

You posted no question. Only made accusations. The scriptures postes say it all. Thanks for posting them.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Just answer my question instead of dodging.

Already answered through the scriptures posted. You did not like the answer so your argument is with God not me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So am I?

Ex 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Moses and Jesus (by your implication) don't agree. Who's lying and hwo's telling the truth. Your idea won't let it be both.

Your not responding to the post you are quoting from again...

God's SABBATH was made at the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION week *GENESIS 2:1-3; JESUS says that the SABBATH was made for MANKIND *MARK 2:27. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. God's SABBATH is still a sign for God's people. God's WORD agrees with the scriptures you posted they do not contradict it as you claim.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It responds to the Scriptures you quoted and your idea to a "T."

Sorry but no it does not.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hebrews 7:18
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness

What commandment is Hebrews 7 talking about? You do not know do you

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Doesn't matter as you'll only say we don't understand.

Well that is not true. Only God's WORD is true our opinions matter little *ROMANS 3:4

 

[LoveGodsWord]

See a dismissal of Scripture - even Moses.

Not really. God's WORD agrees with all of God's WORD including the scriptures you posted. God's SABBATH is still a sign to his people. As shown earlier in the scriptures you did not respond to, God's WORD in the NEW COVEANANT says that ISRAEL is all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL we have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-17. So yep the SABBATH is still a sign of who God's people are *REVELATION 14:12; 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

2 Corinthians 3:6-8
Who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory?

2 Corinthians 3:3
And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Thankyou love the scriptures. We are in the NEW COVENANT now What do you think they mean?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Believers are the offspring. Believers are now Israel.

John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

Indeed, I am surprised that Ace of Heart agrees with this though. Maybe he changed his mind or did not read the post he was responding to.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

See a dismissal of Scripture - even Moses.

Not at all. All the scriptures posted agree with Moses. God's WORD in the NEW COVEANANT says that ISRAEL is all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL we have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-17. So yep the SABBATH is still a sign of who God's people are *REVELATION 14:12; 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Turn about is fair play.

No it only means you do not know the answer.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You continually say I'm in unrepentant sin for which there's no forgiveness. That's practicing unrighteousness and is the same, not just practiced. So yes the righteousness you talk about comes strictly from obedience to the law. I agree with Jer 23:6 proclaiming Yĕhovah tsidqenuw.

Nope. No I do not and have never said such things. You making things up I have never said.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes and this is God's commandment -

1 Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

No one loves God or his neighbore if they break any one of God's 10 Commandments.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Not according to Moses as I've posted by quote from Exodus. You bring other issues in your post that have been dealt with responding to your posts.

Well that is not true. Repeating yourself over and over does not make God's Word dissappear.
All the scriptures posted agree with Moses. God's WORD in the NEW COVEANANT says that ISRAEL is all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL we have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-17. So yep the SABBATH is still a sign of who God's people are *REVELATION 14:12; 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hebrews 7:18 For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness

Your repeating yourself here brother. What is the commandment being spoken of here?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hebrews 7:18
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 7 - English Standard Version

Repitation again. Ok let's look at the scriptures here.

HEBREWS 7 CHANGE OF LAW

Your trying to argue that the change in the law in HEBREWS 7:12 is in reference to the 10 Commandments because you thought that the OLD COVENANT is only the 10 commandments. The scripture posted above show that the OLD COVENANT include both the 10 commandments and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:8, which contained all the laws for remission of sin, ceremonial ordinances for the Levitical priest hood. So what is the CONTEXT of HEBREWS 7 and what laws is it talking about? Is HEBREWS 7 talking about the 10 commandments or the MOSAIC BOOK of the laws for remission of sins *DEUTERONOMY 29:21?

Let's look at the scriptures...

HEBREWS 7:1-28
[1], For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[2], To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[3], Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually.
[4], Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
[5], And truly they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brothers, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

NOTE: In the earthly Sanctuary only those from the tribe of Levi could be Priests. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah also note that the context of the chapter now is the Priesthood and the king and Priest in the days of Abraham named Melchisedec.

[6], But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
[7], And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
[8], And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
[9], And as I may so say, Levi also, who receives tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
[10], For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
[11], If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, for under it the people received the law, what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

NOTE: Topic is on the Levitical Priesthood the law we are talking about are the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23. The Priesthood was to be only for the tribe of Levi under the OLD COVENANT.

[12], For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[13], For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[14], For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
[15], And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,

NOTE: Jesus from the tribe of Judah is now our great high Priest from the order of Melchisedec. No more animal sacrifices.

[16], Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[17], For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[18], For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[19], For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near to God.
[20], And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[21], For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said to him, The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
[22], By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[23], And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[24], But this man, because he continues ever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
[25], Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
[26], For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[27], Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
[28], For the law makes men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, makes the Son, who is consecrated for ever more.

NOTE: v28 does the 10 commandments make men high Priests or does the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23?

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 7:12 in relation to the change of laws is talking about the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW not the 10 commandments and a change in the Priesthood and the laws that accompany it from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 24:7. Not the 10 commandments.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Each should be convinced in his own mind.

Each should be convinced in his own mind about what?