THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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Paul stated that we can still observe sat, or Sun, or any day of the Week unto the lord now, correct?

Nope. No he did not. ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment of any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

Some points to consider in Romans 14:1-15

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

Conclusion: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others.

Hope this helps.
 
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Nope, just stating that in Christ, on these areas of preference and conviction, free to choose, but do not let that freedom become legalism, as in all have to do it your way also!

You are confused as to what is being shared here. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. The fruit of CONTINUED breaking any one of God's is death because those doing so reject the gift of God's dear son *JAMES 2;10-11; ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27. For many it will be too late to find this out come judgment day *MATTHEW 7:13-23.

Anyone who hears God's Voice (the Word) today and follows it will be blessed indeed.
 
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Because you didn't explain why they are.

Yes I did in the same post you quoted from. You did not read it did you. What is the penalty for sin that was against us in the OLD and NEW COVENANT?

ECCLESIASTES 18:20
20, The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.

ROMANS 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The death penalty is against us my friend. So were all the ceremonial laws from the OLD COVENANT that were required to seek God's forgiveness *LEVITICUS 16. In the NEW COVENANT we are forgiven by FAITH through confession and repentance for our sins *1 JOHN 1:9; MATTHEW 3:2 . No more animal sacrifices required.

Hope this helps
 
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IF a Sda wants to keep the Sabbath still, fine, but do not force all others to keep it, nor judge us for not agreeing with them on this issue!

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31). Only sent in LOVE as a help. We all answer to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Hope this helps.
 
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Oh yeah I forgot you're evangelizing Christians for your religion.

Not at all. Only pointing all to God's WORD. It is God's WORD that we all must answer to come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48, sadly many are called but few are chosen.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God)
 
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Already answered through the scriptures posted. You did not like the answer so your argument is with God not me.
If I thought you answered my question I wouldn't have posted that. Now please respond to my question.
 
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If I thought you answered my question I wouldn't have posted that. Now please respond to my question.

It was answered in the very post you were quoting from. You did not read it did you. Also take another look at post 1043 here which was answered further as you were only repeating yourself.
 
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Your not responding to the post you are quoting from again...

God's SABBATH was made at the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION week *GENESIS 2:1-3; JESUS says that the SABBATH was made for MANKIND *MARK 2:27. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. God's SABBATH is still a sign for God's people. God's WORD agrees with the scriptures you posted they do not contradict it as you claim.

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Yes I am responding to your post. You posted MK 2:27. I posted Ex 31:13 stating the opposite. So which one is true? Your claim is I 'm confused about Ex 31:13.

We've been over the ground about who Israel is. It isn't the Church (Bride of Christ). Israel is God's wife currently estranged and divorced.
 
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Yes I am responding to your post. You posted MK 2:27. I posted Ex 31:13 stating the opposite. So which one is true? Your claim is I 'm confused about Ex 31:13.

We've been over the ground about who Israel is. It isn't the Church (Bride of Christ). Israel is God's wife currently estranged and divorced.

You are confused. How does EXODUS 31:13 state the opposite of MARK 2:27 when JESUS says God's SABBATH was made for all mankind and the SABBATH in the creation week was before ISRAEL existed?
God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. God's SABBATH is still a sign for God's people. God's WORD agrees with the scriptures you posted they do not contradict it as you claim.

Yep perfect harmony. What is your argument? Yep you have none.
 
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Well that is not true. Only God's WORD is true our opinions matter little *ROMANS 3:4
That's why you resort to slamming people. Your verse has no meaning to the discussion. It's a personal attack.
 
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Not really. God's WORD agrees with all of God's WORD including the scriptures you posted. God's SABBATH is still a sign to his people. As shown earlier in the scriptures you did not respond to, God's WORD in the NEW COVEANANT says that ISRAEL is all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL we have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-17. So yep the SABBATH is still a sign of who God's people are *REVELATION 14:12; 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9.
Where does it say in the NT that the sabbath is a sign?
 
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That's why you resort to slamming people. Your verse has no meaning to the discussion. It's a personal attack.

Not at all. It only states our opinions do not matter and only God's WORD does *ROMANS 3:4
 
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Where does it say in the NT that the sabbath is a sign?

Why should the NEW TESTAMENT need to say that the SABBATH is a sign if it already says so in the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures? Does God change his mind?
 
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Your a little behind in the postings see post # 1039 here click me
No, Remember your argument about Mat 5:17-18 about jots and titles? Why do you play both sides of the fence? You can't play for the opposition and remain on the team. MK 6:24
 
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