Stars science say kicked out of galaxy actually coming in!

[dad]

Insults and a lie about what he wrote abut the cosmic distance ladder which was: Misleading lurkers with an obvious "circular reasoning" lie when it is the cosmic distance ladder.

This post has an ignorant fantasy about what I have stated and cited about parallax many times in a few threads. One more time:
Parallax is one of the linear steps in the cosmic distance ladder. Parallax is basic geometry. Everyone knows that an object will shift against a distant background when viewed from 2 different points in space, e.g. an outstretched thumb against distant trees viewed fro 1 eye and then the other eye. Astronomers use this basic geometry to measure the distance to stars, e.g. by measuring that angle on either side of the Earth's orbit.

So we take it that you think you can take hundreds of millions of miles of space in the solar system here, and NO time is involved at all!!!!!!!? Hilarious.

I like the one in your spam list too, about how time must exist the same as near earth where stars are because...'stars exist'!!!!! True comedy.

 

[dad]

Reasons for things. That's usually how most scientific papers should end. Conclusion: things happen for reasons.

Is that why they admit they don't know the reasons a first lifeform came to be or the BB singularity existed etc etc?

I like the idea that God is going to come to earth to live here forever. It's a good neighborhood. He might have to pay the HOA fee, but that's OK. (Just so long as he doesn't play any loud music!)

Good luck trying to collect.

Whenever I model data I always include GOD in there. It can turn a model that doesn't fit the data AT ALL suddenly fit it if I throw in the "God Spline" there.

I guess you are the inverted alter ego of godless science, where they religiously keep God out?

Here's a model without the GOD FACTOR (black line) and one WITH the God Factor (Blue). Note how the error on any given data point drops to ZERO with the God Factor!

As clear as the diamond at the center of the planet.

Drawing lines that you think represent the Almighty may be a nice pastime for the uninformed. I prefer reality.

Oh, and what precious gems and materials and gold or water or etc may be inside this created planet, we don't know. But we do know other works described by the same Architect, and what materials He tends to use in eternal structures.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Drawing lines that you think represent the Almighty may be a nice pastime for the uninformed. I prefer reality.

And do you understand what I was getting at there? Just curious....

Oh, and what precious gems and materials and gold or water or etc may be inside this created planet, we don't know. But we do know other works described by the same Architect, and what materials He tends to use in eternal structures.

Sure! No doubt! It's probably a diamond made of gold!

 

[dad]

And do you understand what I was getting at there? Just curious....



Sure! No doubt! It's probably a diamond made of gold!

While your guesses at the unknown may be amusing, they are not interesting.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

While your guesses at the unknown may be amusing, they are not interesting.

And yours are? Sorry, I didn't realize!

Do tell! Tell us all about YOUR "TRUTH".

Oops, I've already lost interest! Too bad.

 

[dad]

And yours are? Sorry, I didn't realize!

Do tell! Tell us all about YOUR "TRUTH".

Oops, I've already lost interest! Too bad.

Try to have some science and/or bible basis. It ups the value of posts.

 

[RealityCheck01]

So we take it that you think you can take hundreds of millions of miles of space in the solar system here, and NO time is involved at all!!!!!!!?

A lie about what I wrote which was:

A ignorant question is not an answer, dad, because we do not need to leave the Solar System! Every confirmed prediction using the local physics on distant observations confirms that we know what happens outside of the Solar System. That is hundreds of thousands or even millions of astronomy papers .

19 items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) are the same outside of the Solar System as they are inside

This is the simple fact that physics (including time) based on local observsions is confirmed by distant observations matching prediction of that physics as I list in
19 items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) are the same outside of the Solar System as they are inside

We can take "hundreds of millions of miles of space in the solar system here" and time will not be directly involved because distances are lengths ! Time will be involved in measuring the distances, e.g. bounce a laser beam off a reflector on the Moon, multiple c by the time halved to get the distance to the Moon or observe the position of planets for 400 years to determine their orbits.

 

[RealityCheck01]

I like the one in your spam list too, about how time must exist the same as near earth where stars are because...'stars exist'

A lie that 19 items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) are the same outside of the Solar System as they are inside has "time must exist the same as near earth where stars are because...'stars exist'".

1. Stars exist thus time does not stop.
   It takes time for light to escape from a star and travel from the star to us.
2. Stars do not have microsecond or century lifetimes thus time does not go at an extreme rate.
3. Sun-like stars exist thus time passes in them at the same rate as the Sun.
   Hydrostatic equilibrium means a star such as the Sun needs a specific rate of fusion for thermal pressure to balance gravitational weight.
4. Stellar models work thus time passes in all stars as expected.

This is time must exist the same as near earth where stars are because they match what local physics including what we see for the Sun predicts.

 

[dad]

A lie about what I wrote which was:

This is the simple fact that physics (including time) based on local observsions is confirmed by distant observations matching prediction of that physics as I list in
19 items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) are the same outside of the Solar System as they are inside

From your link

"

1. Stars exist thus time does not stop.
   It takes time for light to escape from a star and travel from the star to us."

Who said time stopped? Strawman. The issue is whether time and space together exist the same as they do here in the area of the solar system.


The mere fact that all things take time here in the fishbowl of the solar system area, is testament to the fact time exists here, and exists in a certain way. Nothing to do with how time and space may or may not exist out in the unknown depths of the universe. Perhaps you should post your list in a comedy section.

We can take "hundreds of millions of miles of space in the solar system here" and time will not be directly involved because distances are lengths ! Time will be involved in measuring the distances, e.g. bounce a laser beam off a reflector on the Moon, multiple c by the time halved to get the distance to the Moon or observe the position of planets for 400 years to determine their orbits.

Time exists here. I think you get that much. In all the world and solar system area we know time exists. We also can experience how time unfolds and measure the effects of time on objects moving here. The issue is whether science knows what time is! The answer is no, of course they don't. Yes light moving in the fishbowl here takes time and we know how much time light takes here to move say in a second or minute etc. Now I have a question for you, does time exist in this solar system regardless of mass or objects? In other words if we shot all the planets off into deep space somehow and all that was here was earth, would there still be time out in the space around us?

 

[dad]

A lie that 19 items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) are the same outside of the Solar System as they are inside has "time must exist the same as near earth where stars are because...'stars exist'".

This is time must exist the same as near earth where stars are because they match what local physics including what we see for the Sun predicts.

Name something far from the solar system that matches?! (without using distances or sizes or masses etc that are all based on time existing the same)

 

[RealityCheck01]

From your link
"

1. Stars exist thus time does not stop.
   It takes time for light to escape from a star and travel from the star to us."

...

Your quote makes "how time must exist the same as near earth where stars are because...'stars exist'" into a lie.
That is the clear English statement that time does not stop because we observe that stars exist. It does not say that "time must exist the same as near earth". It leaves the possibility of time to going slower or faster than here in those stars. That is ruled out by the rest of 19 items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) are the same outside of the Solar System as they are inside.

 

[dad]

Your quote makes "how time must exist the same as near earth where stars are because...'stars exist'" into a lie.
That is the clear English statement that time does not stop because we observe that stars exist. It does not say that "time must exist the same as near earth". It leaves the possibility of time to going slower or faster than here in those stars. That is ruled out by the rest of 19 items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) are the same outside of the Solar System as they are inside.

SO YOU SEEM TO BE ERASING THE FIRST POINT IN THE COMEDY LIST BY SAYING IT IS THE OTHER 18 POINTS THAT REALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE! Very well then we'll forget the first point as it has no bearing.

Onto the second so called point in the list.

"Stars do not have microsecond or century lifetimes thus time does not go at an extreme rate."

More complete nonsense. Because stars do not appear and disappear in seconds or centuries...therefore.. time must exist out there exactly as it does here! Ha. OK, sorry I can no longer take you as a serious debater.

 

[SkyWriting]

That’s not what I asked. Let’s try again.

What will these stars do according to your measurements and analyses? Please be specific. Thanks!

My next door neighbor is gay and the way some forum people talk, these might be headed for "Robs" house.

 

[RealityCheck01]

SO ....

You wrote abysmal ignorance or a lie about clear English: "time does not stop" does not mean time goes at a given rate. It means time goes at an unknown rate that is greater than zero. A number being not zero is not a statement that the number is 3.14159265359.

More abysmal ignorance or a lie about clear English: "Stars do not have microsecond or century lifetimes thus time does not go at an extreme rate" does not say that time goes at at the local rate. A number being not being enormous is not a statement that the number is 3.14159265359.

19 items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) are the same outside of the Solar System as they are inside.
1. Rules out time not passing at all (time does not stop).
2. Rules out time going at extreme rates.
3. Stars that are the same as the Sun have to have time passing at a same rate as the Sun.
4. Other stars match the predictions of models using time passing as it does locally.

 

[dad]

You wrote abysmal ignorance or a lie about clear English: "time does not stop" does not mean time goes at a given rate. It means time goes at an unknown rate that is greater than zero. A number being not zero is not a statement that the number is 3.14159265359.

maybe get some translators for your gibberish.

More abysmal ignorance or a lie about clear English: "Stars do not have microsecond or century lifetimes thus time does not go at an extreme rate" does not say that time goes at at the local rate. A number being not being enormous is not a statement that the number is 3.14159265359.

Try to post something coherent.

1. Rules out time not passing at all (time does not stop).

How would we know what time was there unless we experienced time there? Remember we only see the light from stars after it gets HERE. What we see is therefore in our time.

2. Rules out time going at extreme rates.

Well, seeing light here from deep space does not tell us anything about time there actually.

3. Stars that are the same as the Sun have to have time passing at a same rate as the Sun.

Absurd. You have no way of knowing origin or distances or sizes, since time is part of the calculations in the cosmic distance ladder. What makes a little star seem like the sun to you is totally bogus and made up and religious.

4. Other stars match the predictions of models using time passing as it does locally.

Since all time is experience only here and never anywhere else, all you can say is that the light from stars seems to make sense when perceived here in out fishbowl and time.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Nothing but insults and fact-less fantasies that do not address a lack of understanding of clear English or the evidence I have presented.
Abysmal ignorance or a lie about clear English: "time does not stop" does not mean time goes at a given rate.
Abysmal ignorance or a lie about clear English: "Stars do not have microsecond or century lifetimes thus time does not go at an extreme rate" does not say that time goes at the local rate.

A fact-less fantasy that time being involved in the cosmic distance ladder makes distances (which it what it is used for) unknown because dad knows that parallax only uses local time. That gave us known, physical distances to over a billion stars within the Galaxy .

A fact-less fantasy that astronomy is "religious" when it is science.

A valid criticism of my English would be the text of the link: 19 items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) are the same outside of the Solar System as they are inside.
It should be 2 items of empirical evidence showing time (and physics) is not extremely different outside of the Solar System and 17 items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) is the same outside of the Solar System as it is inside

 

[RealityCheck01]

2 items of empirical evidence showing time (and physics) is not extremely different outside of the Solar System and 18 (out of maybe millions) items of empirical evidence that time (and physics) is the same outside of the Solar System as it is inside

 

[RealityCheck01]

You have no way of knowing origin or distances or sizes...

Classification of stars des not use origin or distances or sizes (which we do know about !).

This is the Sun. The Sun is a G2V star. Sun-like stars have a spectral classification like the Sun. G2V stars have a surface temperature of ~5,800 K. The surface temperature of the Sun is determined by its rate of fusion. Sun-like stars have a rate of fusion like the Sun, i.e. the same time passes there.

There are more technical solar analogs but they include ages or metallicity.

 

[dad]

Classification of stars des not use origin or distances or sizes (which we do know about !).

This is the Sun. The Sun is a G2V star. Sun-like stars have a spectral classification like the Sun. G2V stars have a surface temperature of ~5,800 K. The surface temperature of the Sun is determined by its rate of fusion. Sun-like stars have a rate of fusion like the Sun, i.e. the same time passes there.

There are more technical solar analogs but they include ages or metallicity.

All spectra are seen in the fishbowl, where you interpret them, see them, and foist your religion on them.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

All spectra are seen in the fishbowl, where you interpret them, see them, and foist your religion on them.

There is no way to know anything outside of the fishbowl. It is impossible. The only hope we have is to trust when another human tells us what is beyond the fishbowl. THAT can be trusted with perfect certainty