Stars science say kicked out of galaxy actually coming in!

[dad]

"A team of astronomers using the latest set of data from ESA's Gaia mission to look for high-velocity stars being kicked out of the Milky Way were surprised to find stars instead sprinting inwards.."

Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies

These fable producers don't know what is coming or going and continue to make stuff up.

 

[thecolorsblend]

"A team of astronomers using the latest set of data from ESA's Gaia mission to look for high-velocity stars being kicked out of the Milky Way were surprised to find stars instead sprinting inwards.."

Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies

These fable producers don't know what is coming or going and continue to make stuff up.

What do your measurements, readings and analyses suggest these stars will do?

 

[Gene2memE]

"A team of astronomers using the latest set of data from ESA's Gaia mission to look for high-velocity stars being kicked out of the Milky Way were surprised to find stars instead sprinting inwards.."

Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies

These fable producers don't know what is coming or going and continue to make stuff up.

Your headline is misleading and mischaracterises both the study and what the researchers are saying about their results.

From the abstract of the study:

To search for unbound stars, we then focus on stars with a probability greater than 50% of being unbound from the Milky Way. This cut results in a clean sample of 125 sources with reliable astrometric parameters and radial velocities. Of these, 20 stars have probabilities greater than 80 % of being unbound from the Galaxy. On this latter sub-sample, we perform orbit integration to characterize the stars’ orbital parameter distributions. As expected given the relatively small sample size of bright stars, we find no hypervelocity star candidates, stars that are moving on orbits consistent with coming from the Galactic Centre. Instead, we find 7 hyper-runaway star candidates, coming from the Galactic disk. Surprisingly, the remaining 13 unbound stars cannot be traced back to the Galaxy, including two of the fastest stars (around 700 km s−1 ). If conformed, these may constitute the tip of the iceberg of a large extragalactic population or the extreme velocity tail of stellar streams.
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The study looked at 20 stars - seven of them (35%) were heading out of the galaxy, the remaining 13 (65%) were heading inwards.

So, the study found both what it expected to find (stars moving at high velocity away from our galaxy) and not what it expected to find (stars moving at high velocity towards our galaxy).

Nature throws up surprising results. This is not surprising. What is surprising is that the scientists were surprised, as this information about inbound high velocity stars was well published about 19 months ago, at the University of Cambridge.

 

[dad]

What do your measurements, readings and analyses suggest these stars will do?

Whatever God ordained, of course. Not like stars jump to the tune of so called science fables. They actually in this case move exactly the opposite way!

 

[dad]

Your headline is misleading and mischaracterises both the study and what the researchers are saying about their results.

From the abstract of the study:

To search for unbound stars, we then focus on stars with a probability greater than 50% of being unbound from the Milky Way. This cut results in a clean sample of 125 sources with reliable astrometric parameters and radial velocities. Of these, 20 stars have probabilities greater than 80 % of being unbound from the Galaxy. On this latter sub-sample, we perform orbit integration to characterize the stars’ orbital parameter distributions. As expected given the relatively small sample size of bright stars, we find no hypervelocity star candidates, stars that are moving on orbits consistent with coming from the Galactic Centre. Instead, we find 7 hyper-runaway star candidates, coming from the Galactic disk. Surprisingly, the remaining 13 unbound stars cannot be traced back to the Galaxy, including two of the fastest stars (around 700 km s−1 ). If conformed, these may constitute the tip of the iceberg of a large extragalactic population or the extreme velocity tail of stellar streams.
​

The study looked at 20 stars - seven of them (35%) were heading out of the galaxy, the remaining 13 (65%) were heading inwards.

So, the study found both what it expected to find (stars moving at high velocity away from our galaxy) and not what it expected to find (stars moving at high velocity towards our galaxy).

Nature throws up surprising results. This is not surprising. What is surprising is that the scientists were surprised, as this information about inbound high velocity stars was well published about 19 months ago, at the University of Cambridge.

So they claimed stars were being basically kicked out of the galaxy....then they see some go in and some go out.

In other words they were wrong as wrong can be.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Whatever God ordained, of course. Not like stars jump to the tune of so called science fables. They actually in this case move exactly the opposite way!

That’s not what I asked. Let’s try again.

What will these stars do according to your measurements and analyses? Please be specific. Thanks!

 

[dad]

That’s not what I asked. Let’s try again.

What will these stars do according to your measurements and analyses? Please be specific. Thanks!

It is specific to say stars were created by God and operate the way He set up for them.

I think cosmology has it all wrong, and that stars are nothing like they claim. The model of the universe science cooked up is ridiculous and wrong and nothing but anti creation religious twaddle.

As for science, it had taught the stars were being kicked out. We now find that claim to be laughably wrong.

 

[thecolorsblend]

It is specific to say stars were created by God and operate the way He set up for them.

I think cosmology has it all wrong, and that stars are nothing like they claim. The model of the universe science cooked up is ridiculous and wrong and nothing but anti creation religious twaddle.

As for science, it had taught the stars were being kicked out. We now find that claim to be laughably wrong.

Right but where are your models and analyses though?

 

[dad]

Right but where are your models and analyses though?

Well, my model of science being constantly and predictably wrong is based on history and news.

My model of God being right is based on Jesus and all the wonderful things He does.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Well, my model of science being constantly and predictably wrong is based on history and news.

My model of God being right is based on Jesus and all the wonderful things He does.

Ah. So you don’t have any models or competing explanations then.

We good here?

 

[dad]

Ah. So you don’t have any models or competing explanations then.

We good here?

Competing explanation is that The universe is set in motion and controlled by God, with good reasons for things. Reasons that involve earth, which is the place God is coming to live forever. Reasons that involve man, for whom God set the stars in the sky.

Finding out repeatedly that the foolish and godless models of so called science are so wrong that they are in some cases the opposite of reality shows us that their alternate creation explanations have been wrong.

We clear?

 

[Gene2memE]

Competing explanation is that The universe is set in motion and controlled by God, with good reasons for things. Reasons that involve earth, which is the place God is coming to live forever. Reasons that involve man, for whom God set the stars in the sky.

Finding out repeatedly that the foolish and godless models of so called science are so wrong that they are in some cases the opposite of reality shows us that their alternate creation explanations have been wrong.

We clear?

This is good enough to be included in a Donald Trump speech...

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Your headline is misleading and mischaracterises both the study and what the researchers are saying about their results.

From the abstract of the study:

To search for unbound stars, we then focus on stars with a probability greater than 50% of being unbound from the Milky Way. This cut results in a clean sample of 125 sources with reliable astrometric parameters and radial velocities. Of these, 20 stars have probabilities greater than 80 % of being unbound from the Galaxy. On this latter sub-sample, we perform orbit integration to characterize the stars’ orbital parameter distributions. As expected given the relatively small sample size of bright stars, we find no hypervelocity star candidates, stars that are moving on orbits consistent with coming from the Galactic Centre. Instead, we find 7 hyper-runaway star candidates, coming from the Galactic disk. Surprisingly, the remaining 13 unbound stars cannot be traced back to the Galaxy, including two of the fastest stars (around 700 km s−1 ). If conformed, these may constitute the tip of the iceberg of a large extragalactic population or the extreme velocity tail of stellar streams.
​

The study looked at 20 stars - seven of them (35%) were heading out of the galaxy, the remaining 13 (65%) were heading inwards.

So, the study found both what it expected to find (stars moving at high velocity away from our galaxy) and not what it expected to find (stars moving at high velocity towards our galaxy).

Nature throws up surprising results. This is not surprising. What is surprising is that the scientists were surprised, as this information about inbound high velocity stars was well published about 19 months ago, at the University of Cambridge.

I guess what you expect is in the storytelling..

Strange, Hypervelocity Stars Get Ejected from Milky Way

""None of these hypervelocity stars come from the center, which implies there is an unexpected new class of hypervelocity star — one with a different ejection mechanism.""

So they were not really expected, now were they..... despite some that prefer to hype it that way in news stories.....


"What might have provided the needed galaxy-fleeing kick, however, is still a mystery.

"The big question is, what boosted these stars up to such extreme velocities?" Holley-Bockelmann said. "We are working on that now.""

Hmm, doesn't sound like something predicted to me.....


And didn't you forget one important part in that study????

"In this work, we consider the population of HVSs produced by the binary SN runaway mechanism operating in the LMC, which Table 1 demonstrates is substantial. However, we find that our model LMC runaway HVSs that make it into the footprint of SDSS are inconsistent with the observed HVSs"

 

[RealityCheck01]

These fable producers don't know what is coming or going and continue to make stuff up.

9 October 2018 dad: A "These fable producers don't know what is coming or going and continue to make stuff up" insults and lie when he cites astronomers observing stars.
Astronomers are not "fable producers". There is nothing being made up.

We already have observations of high-velocity stars heading out of the Milky Way. It is reasonable that stars from other galaxies would also be ejected and could arrive here. The surprise looks like a possible detection of these stars.
Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies

However, the team were in for a surprise: "Rather than flying away from the Galactic centre, most of the high-velocity stars we spotted seem to be racing towards it," adds co-author Tommaso Marchetti. "These could be stars from another galaxy, zooming right through the Milky Way."

 

[dad]

9 October 2018 dad: A "These fable producers don't know what is coming or going and continue to make stuff up" insults and lie when he cites astronomers observing stars.
Astronomers are not "fable producers". There is nothing being made up.

We already have observations of high-velocity stars heading out of the Milky Way. It is reasonable that stars from other galaxies would also be ejected and could arrive here. The surprise looks like a possible detection of these stars.
Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies

Hard to admit they were wrong eh?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Hard to admit they were wrong eh?

Next to impossible... but don't worry, they will initiate another rescue device.

Which will of course turn out to also be incorrect after a few years...... but that wont stop them from believing in it or preaching it as the truth....and then forget that their base beliefs which they never question is what led to all the other incorrect assumptions.....

 

[RealityCheck01]

Hard to admit they were wrong eh?

10 October 2018 dad: A "they were wrong" lie.
There is no statement in that article that astronomers thought that incoming hypervelocity stars were impossible and so were shown to be wrong. Astronomers are not stupid. They know that there are outgoing hypervelocity stars in the Milky Way. They know that other galaxies exist! They know that there will be outgoing hypervelocity stars in those galaxies. That gives the chance of incoming hypervelocity stars from nearby galaxies within the Milky Way.

The article is a discovery that could be these stars. It is the reporter who makes it into a surprise.
Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies

However, the team were in for a surprise: "Rather than flying away from the Galactic centre, most of the high-velocity stars we spotted seem to be racing towards it," adds co-author Tommaso Marchetti. "These could be stars from another galaxy, zooming right through the Milky Way."
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"Stars can be accelerated to high velocities when they interact with a supermassive black hole," Elena explains. "So the presence of these stars might be a sign of such black holes in nearby galaxies. But the stars may also have once been part of a binary system, flung towards the Milky Way when their companion star exploded as a supernova. Either way, studying them could tell us more about these kinds of processes in nearby galaxies.".

9 October 2018 dad: A "These fable producers don't know what is coming or going and continue to make stuff up" insults and lie when he cites astronomers observing stars.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Next to impossible......

Falls for a "they were wrong" lie from dad. No one stated that incoming hyper-runaway stars were impossible.
Anyone who thinks about hypervelocity stars will expect that there are incoming hypervelocity stars from nearby galaxies inside the Milky Way. The expectation will be that they are rare.

The reporter labels a possible finding of these stars as a surprise. The real surprise is that the astronomers do not seem to be surprised in the article !

The paper gives what the actual surprise was. T Marchetti, E M Rossi, A G A Brown. Gaia DR2 in 6D: Searching for the fastest stars in the Galaxy. Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, 2018; DOI: 10.1093/mnras/sty2592

On this latter sub-sample, we perform orbit integration to characterize the stars’ orbital parameter distributions. As expected given the relatively small sample size of bright stars, we find no hypervelocity star candidates, stars that are moving on orbits consistent with coming from the Galactic Centre. Instead, we find 7 hyper-runaway star candidates, coming from the Galactic disk. Surprisingly, the remaining 13 unbound stars cannot be traced back to the Galaxy, including two of the fastest stars (around 700 km s−1 ). If conformed, these may constitute the tip of the iceberg of a large extragalactic population or the extreme velocity tail of stellar streams.

The surprise was finding 13 unbound hyper-runaway stars that could not be traced back to the Galaxy. The explanation is obvious - either extragalactic or stellar stream (halo) origins.

 

[dad]

10 October 2018 dad: A "they were wrong" lie.
There is no statement in that article that astronomers thought that incoming hypervelocity stars were impossible and so were shown to be wrong. Astronomers are not stupid. They know that there are outgoing hypervelocity stars in the Milky Way. They know that other galaxies exist! They know that there will be outgoing hypervelocity stars in those galaxies. That gives the chance of incoming hypervelocity stars from nearby galaxies within the Milky Way.

The article is a discovery that could be these stars. It is the reporter who makes it into a surprise.
Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies


9 October 2018 dad: A "These fable producers don't know what is coming or going and continue to make stuff up" insults and lie when he cites astronomers observing stars.

Look you do not even know what a star is. Your idea of what stars are and where they came from is bad religion.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Look you do not even know what a star is. Your idea of what stars are and where they came from is bad religion.

10 October 2018 dad: Lies about stars, their formation and astronomy being religion.
This is a star. This is the scientific theory for the formation of stars. Astronomy is science, not religion.
Irrelevant to my post: 10 October 2018 dad: A "they were wrong" lie.
The lie was that astronomers were wrong when there was no statement anywhere that incoming hypervelocity stars were impossible and it is reasonable to expect them.