What is the obligation of the Christian?

[ace of hearts]

There seems to be a holy war about what the Christian is obligated to preform after being born again. I'd like to see both sides of this war supported with Scripture.

 

[anna ~ grace]

There seems to be a holy war about what the Christian is obligated to preform after being born again. I'd like to see both sides of this war supported with Scripture.

So... I battled with this for quite a while. Reading Galatians helped me to calm down about this, and realize that obeying the New Testament is all that I was required to do.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Ecclesiastes 12:13 When all has been heard, the ... - Bible Hub

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Here now is my final conclusion: Fear God and obey his commands, for this is ... Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his ... - Bible Hub

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In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his ... We show our love for God by obeying his commandments, and they are not hard to follow.
Jesus and His Apostles Affirm the Need to Obey God's ...

https://www.ucg.org/bible.../the.../jesus-and-his-apostles-affirm-the-need-to-obey-god...
Are Christians today required to keep the Ten Commandments? ... UCG.org / Bible Study Tools / Booklets / The Road to Eternal Life / Jesus and His Apostles Affirm the Need to Obey God. ... A Bible opened to beginning of the New Testament.

 

[Jonaitis]

There is a forum for Sabbath and Law debate? I seriously think there is too many forums on this site.

The Christian is obligated to obey the moral law, summarized under the two great commandments, and the positive laws of the New Testament.

 

[HTacianas]

There seems to be a holy war about what the Christian is obligated to preform after being born again. I'd like to see both sides of this war supported with Scripture.

Well can we first determine what we mean by being born again? According to all the teachings of Christianity, being born again is a process of water baptism and chrismation. Afterwards one is expected to participate in the sacramental life of the Church.

 

[Shimshon]

There seems to be a holy war about what the Christian is obligated to preform after being born again. I'd like to see both sides of this war supported with Scripture.

Here is my witness of Yeshua's Word.

Messiah's spoken words are the Law of the Spirit.

The Law of the Spirit is the Law of Messiah.

 

[Shimshon]

So... I battled with this for quite a while. Reading Galatians helped me to calm down about this, and realize that obeying the New Testament is all that I was required to do.

There's also Hebrews, Romans and the book of John. All reinforce Galatians.

 

[Shimshon]

There seems to be a holy war about what the Christian is obligated to preform after being born again. I'd like to see both sides of this war supported with Scripture.

Here are some more scriptures.

2 Cor 5:21 God made this sinless man be a sin offering on our behalf, so that in union with him we might fully share in God’s righteousness.”

Gal 3:26 For in union with the Messiah, you are all children of God through this trusting faithfulness;

3:28 there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor freeman, neither male nor female; for in union with the Messiah Yeshua, you are all one.

Acts 15:11 it is through the love and kindness of the Lord Yeshua that we trust and are delivered

Hab 2:4 the righteous will attain life through trusting faithfulness.

1 Yochanan 4:16 we have come to know and trust the love that God has for us. God is love; and those who remain in this love remain united with God, and God remains united with them.

Romans 6:11 In the same way, consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God, by your union with the Messiah Yeshua.

6:23 For what one earns from sin is death; but eternal life is what one receives as a free gift from God, in union with the Messiah Yeshua, our Lord.

8:1 Therefore, there is no longer any condemnation awaiting those who are in union with the Messiah Yeshua.

8:2 Why? Because the Torah of the Spirit, which produces this life in union with Messiah Yeshua, has set me free from the “Torah” of sin and death.

Mt 23:23 “Woe to you hypocritical Torah-teachers and P’rushim! You pay your tithes of mint, dill and cumin; but you have neglected the weightier matters of the Torah — justice, mercy, trust. These are the things you should have attended to — without neglecting the others!

Mt 12:7 If you knew what `I want compassion rather than animal-sacrifice’ meant, you would not condemn the innocent. This is why, on coming into the world, he says,

Mt 9:13 As for you, go and learn what this means: `I want compassion rather than animal-sacrifices.’ For I didn’t come to call the `righteous,’ but sinners!”

Heb 10:5 “It has not been your will to have an animal sacrifice and a meal offering; rather, you have prepared for me a body.

Notice what Yeshua wants most of all is not legalistic observances of inward heart convictions but, compassion, mercy, trust, justice, freedom, love, faithfulness. THESE are the observances of Torah he desires, not legalistic physical shows of piety or duty.

 

[ace of hearts]

So... I battled with this for quite a while. Reading Galatians helped me to calm down about this, and realize that obeying the New Testament is all that I was required to do.

I battled with it for about four decades before being delivered. That included a direct revelation from the Holy Spirit about what covenant I was obligated to. I always resisted out right legalism but still felt condemned. Legalism created lots of pain for me and pain I inflicted on others in my teens. The subtle application of legalism taught and practiced by so called grace oriented churches was the main culprit of my agony. I do have one gift from God that I greatly love and appreciate - curiosity. That gift makes me ask questions even until people get upset.

 

[ace of hearts]

Ecclesiastes 12:13 When all has been heard, the ... - Bible Hub

Ecclesiastes 12:13 When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.
Here now is my final conclusion: Fear God and obey his commands, for this is ... Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his ... - Bible Hub

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,
In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his ... We show our love for God by obeying his commandments, and they are not hard to follow.
Jesus and His Apostles Affirm the Need to Obey God's ...

https://www.ucg.org/bible.../the.../jesus-and-his-apostles-affirm-the-need-to-obey-god...
Are Christians today required to keep the Ten Commandments? ... UCG.org / Bible Study Tools / Booklets / The Road to Eternal Life / Jesus and His Apostles Affirm the Need to Obey God. ... A Bible opened to beginning of the New Testament.

Love biblehub. Do you care to post what you believe these passages mean in this thread? I think they're discussed elsewhere in the forum.

 

[ace of hearts]

There is a forum for Sabbath and Law debate? I seriously think there is too many forums on this site.

The Christian is obligated to obey the moral law, summarized under the two great commandments, and the positive laws of the New Testament.

I think this thread is within the pale of the Sabbath and Law forum. I do think it would fit in a couple other sections of CF.

 

[ace of hearts]

Well can we first determine what we mean by being born again? According to all the teachings of Christianity, being born again is a process of water baptism and chrismation. Afterwards one is expected to participate in the sacramental life of the Church.

This is so vague it could mean anything. At best I think you obligate Christians to religion.

 

[ace of hearts]

Here is my witness of Yeshua's Word.

Messiah's spoken words are the Law of the Spirit.

The Law of the Spirit is the Law of Messiah.

It's debated here what "the Law of the Spirit" actually is. Would you please explain what you think it is?

 

[ace of hearts]

There's also Hebrews, Romans and the book of John. All reinforce Galatians.

What do they say?

 

[ace of hearts]

Here are some more scriptures.

2 Cor 5:21 God made this sinless man be a sin offering on our behalf, so that in union with him we might fully share in God’s righteousness.”

Gal 3:26 For in union with the Messiah, you are all children of God through this trusting faithfulness;

3:28 there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor freeman, neither male nor female; for in union with the Messiah Yeshua, you are all one.

Acts 15:11 it is through the love and kindness of the Lord Yeshua that we trust and are delivered

Hab 2:4 the righteous will attain life through trusting faithfulness.

1 Yochanan 4:16 we have come to know and trust the love that God has for us. God is love; and those who remain in this love remain united with God, and God remains united with them.

Romans 6:11 In the same way, consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God, by your union with the Messiah Yeshua.

6:23 For what one earns from sin is death; but eternal life is what one receives as a free gift from God, in union with the Messiah Yeshua, our Lord.

8:1 Therefore, there is no longer any condemnation awaiting those who are in union with the Messiah Yeshua.

8:2 Why? Because the Torah of the Spirit, which produces this life in union with Messiah Yeshua, has set me free from the “Torah” of sin and death.

Mt 23:23 “Woe to you hypocritical Torah-teachers and P’rushim! You pay your tithes of mint, dill and cumin; but you have neglected the weightier matters of the Torah — justice, mercy, trust. These are the things you should have attended to — without neglecting the others!

Mt 12:7 If you knew what `I want compassion rather than animal-sacrifice’ meant, you would not condemn the innocent. This is why, on coming into the world, he says,

Mt 9:13 As for you, go and learn what this means: `I want compassion rather than animal-sacrifices.’ For I didn’t come to call the `righteous,’ but sinners!”

Heb 10:5 “It has not been your will to have an animal sacrifice and a meal offering; rather, you have prepared for me a body.

Notice what Yeshua wants most of all is not legalistic observances of inward heart convictions but, compassion, mercy, trust, justice, freedom, love, faithfulness. THESE are the observances of Torah he desires, not legalistic physical shows of piety or duty.

No quite sure about your quotes in regard to the thread, but agree with your final comments.

 

[HTacianas]

This is so vague it could mean anything. At best I think you obligate Christians to religion.

Well the bible says "do not forsake the assembling of yourselves together", "if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive", "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day".

That describes the sacramental life of the Church more or less.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well can we first determine what we mean by being born again? According to all the teachings of Christianity, being born again is a process of water baptism and chrismation. Afterwards one is expected to participate in the sacramental life of the Church.

Not....

As written

"born again" by the Will of Yahweh, NOT of man, nor of the flesh...

"circumcised heart" not by hands, not by man,

for example:
Circumcision of the Heart - The Secret to Living Set Apart
"Circumcision of the Heart – The Secret to Living Set Apart

Due to centuries of man-made doctrine and church’s propensity for hyper-spiritualization, the definition of a “circumcised heart” has lost much of it’s meaning. Because of this error, our perception is so skewed that there are those who believe they are walking with a circumcised heart when they are actually living according to their own rules and standards. Even the most “die-hard” christian will believe this fallacy. There are many who read their Bibles every day, go to church on Sunday, never cuss, never drink, stay away from rated “R” movies, fast, pray and pursue Jesus in every way they know how, but according to the Word, their hearts are still not circumcised. If these people aren’t living holy (“set apart”) lives for YHWH, what hope do the rest of us have?



Well, there is hope. It is possible to actually walk in a holy (“set apart”) manner before your Creator with a real circumcised heart. How is this done?

The first step is to get back to a biblical definition and understanding of a circumcised heart. Don’t worry, it’s not a complex topic, nor is it a “hyper-spiritual” one… it’s actually quite practical."

 

[HTacianas]

Not....

As written

"born again" by the Will of Yahweh, NOT of man, nor of the flesh...

"circumcised heart" not by hands, not by man,

for example:
Circumcision of the Heart - The Secret to Living Set Apart
"Circumcision of the Heart – The Secret to Living Set Apart

Due to centuries of man-made doctrine and church’s propensity for hyper-spiritualization, the definition of a “circumcised heart” has lost much of it’s meaning. Because of this error, our perception is so skewed that there are those who believe they are walking with a circumcised heart when they are actually living according to their own rules and standards. Even the most “die-hard” christian will believe this fallacy. There are many who read their Bibles every day, go to church on Sunday, never cuss, never drink, stay away from rated “R” movies, fast, pray and pursue Jesus in every way they know how, but according to the Word, their hearts are still not circumcised. If these people aren’t living holy (“set apart”) lives for YHWH, what hope do the rest of us have?



Well, there is hope. It is possible to actually walk in a holy (“set apart”) manner before your Creator with a real circumcised heart. How is this done?

The first step is to get back to a biblical definition and understanding of a circumcised heart. Don’t worry, it’s not a complex topic, nor is it a “hyper-spiritual” one… it’s actually quite practical."

Here's a "biblical teaching" for you:

Act 2:38 - Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Take your objections up with the writer of Acts.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Here's a "biblical teaching" for you:

Act 2:38 - Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Take your objections up with the writer of Acts.

Learn the truth.
All Scripture is truth. (Acts is Truth) No objections to Scripture. Sorry for your mis-understanding.

 

[W2L]

There is a forum for Sabbath and Law debate? I seriously think there is too many forums on this site.

The Christian is obligated to obey the moral law, summarized under the two great commandments, and the positive laws of the New Testament.

What are positive laws? What about the negative laws?