Stars science say kicked out of galaxy actually coming in!

[ianw16]

I simply claim science doesn't know. The question becomes, what is the best fit with the known fact that God created it all?

Either stop pretending/claiming you know or prove it. No bluster needed.

Known fact? Lol. It is an ancient superstition made up by ignorant bronze age peasants. Not a jot of evidence to back it up. It is pure, faith based woo.

 

[ianw16]

Truth be told the ignorance is not on my end. The distances need to be known for speeds. Ask around.

Don't need to ask around. The scientific literature is full of it. How about linking to your alternative woo? We are hardly going to take the word of a person who believes in primitive, superstitious woo.

 

[dad]

Known fact? Lol. It is an ancient superstition made up by ignorant bronze age peasants. Not a jot of evidence to back it up. It is pure, faith based woo.

To you that may seem to be what God is like.

I look at the beliefs of science here and the claims and am comforted to realize no one will ever consider them ancient. They are a vile weed spawned for this time of man that have no possibility of enduring!

 

[dad]

Don't need to ask around. The scientific literature is full of it. How about linking to your alternative woo? We are hardly going to take the word of a person who believes in primitive, superstitious woo.

The lit is full of it alright. On the issue of shifted light, you seem to be claiming that this gives distances independent of anything else? Ha.

Explain how.

 

[ianw16]

To you that may seem to be what God is like.

I look at the beliefs of science here and the claims and am comforted to realize no one will ever consider them ancient. They are a vile weed spawned for this time of man that have no possibility of enduring!

Lol. Primitive indeed!

 

[ianw16]

The lit is full of it alright. On the issue of shifted light, you seem to be claiming that this gives distances independent of anything else? Ha.

Explain how.

Go look up 'redshift; distance' on Google Scholar. Why do you need me to link to it? Lost the use of your faculties (rhetorical)?

 

[RealityCheck01]

Truth be told the ignorance is not on my end. The distances need to be known for speeds. Ask around.

Repeating ignorance about Doppler shift which has no distance in it. Try reading the science. Try asking around about Doppler shift. Try listening to a car horn's sound as it passes you (this is the Doppler shift for sound). Try learning how Doppler radar (as in radar guns - speed cops do not run tape measures out to moving cars!) works.

 

[dad]

Go look up 'redshift; distance' on Google Scholar. Why do you need me to link to it? Lost the use of your faculties (rhetorical)?

Sorry, I see nothing in the formula used to get distance from redshifted light that does not use C. (C=speed of light in the fishbowl)

 

[dad]

Repeating ignorance about Doppler shift which has no distance in it. Try reading the science. Try asking around about Doppler shift. Try listening to a car horn's sound as it passes you (this is the Doppler shift for sound). Try learning how Doppler radar (as in radar guns - speed cops do not run tape measures out to moving cars!) works.

Try getting your car to a star!

 

[ianw16]

Sorry, I see nothing in the formula used to get distance from redshifted light that does not use C. (C=speed of light in the fishbowl)

What the hell else would they use? Lol. Pointless arguing with evangelicals. Science is really not for them, as it proves their primitive beliefs to be wrong. So they just make stuff up.
They just have faith, and that has nothing to do with science.

 

[Nithavela]

What the hell else would they use? Lol. Pointless arguing with evangelicals. Science is really not for them, as it proves their primitive beliefs to be wrong. So they just make stuff up.
They just have faith, and that has nothing to do with science.

Welcome to christan forums, I hope you have a pleasent stay. Perhaps you should read the forum rules.

 

[dad]

What the hell else would they use? Lol. Pointless arguing with evangelicals. Science is really not for them, as it proves their primitive beliefs to be wrong. So they just make stuff up.
They just have faith, and that has nothing to do with science.

For lurkers

"The distance to the source is then inferred from Hubble's law, which relates distances to recession velocity. But in order to confirm the validity of Hubble's law, the distance must be measured by some means not related to velocity. This can be done by observing sources that are "standard candles", astronomical sources whose intrinsic brightness is known; comparing intrinsic brightness to observed brightness can be used to calculate distance"

link

Of course things like parallax measurement are used to get the distance to standard candles! (that means we take space and time here in the solar system, and equate it to other lines we draw to stars, basically)

Total circular belief and thinking!!!

As for the way light moves in this solar system and area, that would have to be according to how time exists (with space) here. THAT cannot tell us what time and space are like out there! So, when peple use 'C' in an equation, they refer to light moving in this fisbowl/solarsystem area.

 

[ianw16]

Of course things like parallax measurement are used to get the distance to standard candles! (that means we take space and time here in the solar system, and equate it to other lines we draw to stars, basically)

Errrr, yes, of course we do! There is no reason not to. Not a scientist I know of is claiming time runs any differently elsewhere. It is a silly argument, with no scientific basis. It is made only by a layman trying to defend a primitive belief system. Hence, it has no scientific validity.
Try this;
Science-Religion Interface Resources

 

[dad]

Errrr, yes, of course we do! There is no reason not to. Not a scientist I know of is claiming time runs any differently elsewhere. It is a silly argument, with no scientific basis. It is made only by a layman trying to defend a primitive belief system. Hence, it has no scientific validity.
Try this;
Science-Religion Interface Resources

What, you thought time in the far away universe would 'run differently' or run the same because some godless religionists who label themselves scientists 'claim' it!!!!? Ha

Try to focus on what is known, not how lofty you think those who should know are in your eyes.

I see you consistently insult the bible and God. Strike one.

 

[ianw16]

What, you thought time in the far away universe would 'run differently' or run the same because some godless religionists who label themselves scientists 'claim' it!!!!? Ha

Try to focus on what is known, not how lofty you think those who should know are in your eyes.

I see you consistently insult the bible and God. Strike one.

Ouch!!!! Like being slapped around the face by a wet tissue! Lol.

 

[RealityCheck01]

For lurkers

Actually for lurkers, standard candles are valid science that "circular belief and thinking" ignorance cannot make wrong. It is a cosmic distance ladder.

Rung 1: Measure the distance from the Sun to the Earth to get the astronomical unit.
Rung 2: Use the easily understood geometry of parallax (the movement of an object against a distant background form 2 different angles, e.g. look at your thumb with one eye against the horizon, swap eyes and it moves!). Measure the angle that a star seems to move from either side of the Earth's orbit. Use simple trigonometry and rung 1 (the AU) to calculate the distances to stars. We currently have over a billion of these distances.
Rung 3: Notice that some stars that have measured distances from rung 2 have periodic variations in brightness. These are the Cepheid variables and a standard candle. Work out a relationship between the period and distances.
Rung 4: Use rung 3 to calculate distances to galaxies. There are type 1a supernova in those galaxies. Their light curves gives another standard candle.

There are over 26 of these rungs, some of which overlap: The ABC's of Distances

Unsupported stories about time are fantasies when there is empirical evidence that time is the same elsewhere (a list of empirical evidence I wrote in another thread). A variable speed of light (his "C" actually c) is worse because of E=mc^2!

 

[dad]

Actually for lurkers, standard candles are valid science that "circular belief and thinking" ignorance cannot make wrong. It is a cosmic distance ladder.

Rung 1: Measure the distance from the Sun to the Earth to get the astronomical unit.
Rung 2: Use the easily understood geometry of parallax (the movement of an object against a distant background form 2 different angles, e.g. look at your thumb with one eye against the horizon, swap eyes and it moves!). Measure the angle that a star seems to move from either side of the Earth's orbit. Use simple trigonometry and rung 1 (the AU) to calculate the distances to stars. We currently have over a billion of these distances.
Rung 3: Notice that some stars that have measured distances from rung 2 have periodic variations in brightness. These are the Cepheid variables and a standard candle. Work out a relationship between the period and distances.
Rung 4: Use rung 3 to calculate distances to galaxies. There are type 1a supernova in those galaxies. Their light curves gives another standard candle.

There are over 26 of these rungs, some of which overlap: The ABC's of Distances

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/distance.htm From your wiki link

"Delta Cephei is also of particular importance as a calibrator of the Cepheid period-luminosity relation since its distance is among the most precisely established for a Cepheid, partly because it is a member of a star cluster[40][41] and the availability of precise Hubble Space Telescope/Hipparcos parallaxes.[42] The accuracy of the distance measurements to Cepheid variables and other bodies within 7,500 lightyears is vastly improved by combining images from Hubble taken six months apart when the Earth and Hubble are on opposite sides of the Sun.[43]"

So the big calibrator is set to parallax. Ha. Circular, much? As I said.

Unsupported stories about time are fantasies when there is empirical evidence that time is the same elsewhere (a list of empirical evidence I wrote in another thread). A variable speed of light (his "C" actually c) is worse because of E=mc^2!

You could not discuss or defend any point in your spam list!! I seem to recall one of them being something like... 'stars exist..therefore time must exist there the same also'


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

That is like saying fish exist in a bowl, therefore...whatever I say about stars is gospel!!

 

[RealityCheck01]

It is a cosmic distance ladder with rung 1 = an AU, rung 2 = The easily understood geometry of parallax, rung 3. =Cepheid variables, rung 4 = type 1a supernova

This is the meaning of the word ladder.

Quoting the Cepheid variable Wikipedia article saying the same thing emphasizes how wrong dad is.
"Delta Cephei is also of particular importance as a calibrator of the Cepheid period-luminosity relation since its distance is among the most precisely established for a Cepheid, partly because it is a member of a star cluster[40][41] and the availability of precise Hubble Space Telescope/Hipparcos parallaxes.[42] The accuracy of the distance measurements to Cepheid variables and other bodies within 7,500 lightyears is vastly improved by combining images from Hubble taken six months apart when the Earth and Hubble are on opposite sides of the Sun.[43]"
Any English reader can understand that this is using parallax measurements to get an accurate distance to Delta Cephei. The last sentence is more parallax measurements to get improved distances to Cepheid variables !

There is empirical evidence that time is the same elsewhere and dad remains ignorant about the empirical evidence.
Stars exist so time has not stopped there.
The Sun needs a certain rate of fusion to be stable. Sun-like stars exist so time passes in them as it passes in the Sun.
We have solar models. The models match real stars so time passes in them as it does here.
etc. etc.

 

[FredVB]

Try getting your car to a star!

She drove a Plymouth Satellite
A-faster than the speed of light

There wouldn't be even any Doppler shift detected from that, would there?

It is movement that always produces Doppler shifts. We can notice it with what is moving fast enough through air making a sound, from that sound, in this way noticing it with what is moving fast enough through space producing light, from that light. It always happens, it is predictable and understood, that it can be accurately measured.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Not like stars jump to the tune of so called science fables.

Correct.
Instead, they jump to the tune of gravity.