aiki
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It's quite obvious by your response that you lack basic knowledge of Koine Greek.
You have absolutely no idea what my knowledge of Koine Greek is or is not. None. You're merely assuming - imagining, really - what I know of Koine Greek. Seems to be par for the course with you.
Thus it is impossible as you claim for this verse to be referring to a one-time choice whether to live according to the flesh or Spirit as in when one decides to obey or disobey the gospel message.
Who said anything about a "one-time choice"? I didn't. From the moment an unbeliever hears the Gospel until the time they stand before their Maker face-to-face, the choice to trust in Christ or not, to live according the flesh or Spirit, remains before them. See how all your blustering about Greek grammar is making you look foolish? I do.
FYI "for" as used in this verse is a coordinating conjunction. Do you know what that means? It connects both verses. Paul references BRETHREN in v.12 so he is specifically addressing the brethren in v.13. Brethren never refers to the unsaved or persons claiming to be saved. At this point, you are grasping at straws.
Yes, I know what a coordinating conjunction is. Paul is, as I explained, warning the "brethren" to whom he is writing that if they claim to be saved, to be brethren, but are not living according to the Spirit but the flesh, they are not saved at all but still lost. The appearance of "for" at the beginning of verse 13 does not defeat this understanding of Paul's words. As far as I'm concerned, you're the one grasping at straws.
Why not? You made your claim and I asked you about it. What harm is that?
Harm? Did I say anything about harm? No. But I did make it clear that I am not going to put myself in a place where you become the judge of my credentials. Doing so sets a precedent to which I refuse to become subject.
Now days anyone who teaches at an educational institution has his/her credentials and affiliation plainly listed online with that institution. Your refusal to do so despite your claim speaks volumes.
I'm sure it does - to one who desperately wants to establish himself in a position superior to that of his opponent quite apart from the content of his arguments.
Moreover, I asked you for your interpretation of how Rom 8:13 being a first class conditional sentence affects its interpretation. You also declined to do that. I can only surmise that you are incapable of doing so. If you teach as you so claim, that should be a very simple thing for you to do.
But, you see, I'm not going to jump through your hoops. I'm here to argue for a particular understanding of Scripture soteriologically, not prove myself to you - or anyone else on this website. If you have a problem with that, well, tough nuts. I despise it when a person trots out their credentials as though their credentials somehow make their words gold, or make up for crummy argumentation. They don't. Some of the worst thinkers I've encountered were seminarians and/or university graduates. So, I'm not going to do what I despise and make myself answerable to you at the same time. Not for a second.
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