Day of the Lord

[Revealing Times]

I understand it, just don't agree with it.

Blade.

Well, that is not a good counter argument is it. All of my points fit scripturally, and you have Men's Traditions if even that, there is no one understanding of this, for the most part what I see people offering is nonsensical theories, thus I really never bought into any of the viewpoints, where God is silent on something, a lightbulb goes off in my head, God doesn't want us to know until He wants us to know, lest we build up all of these theories as truths, then when God decides to inform us in HIS OWN TIME, we miss it because of all the built up clutter. I don't just offer guesses. That's not me.

Tell me where I am "wrong", after all, that is what is important. Because Scripturally, nothing I have espoused is wrong. None of this is about a time inside the New Millenium, all of these DATES are days from the end of these wonders. The 1290 happens BEFORE the 1260, there is NO WAY Jesus would't give a sign that gave the Jews time to Flee before the Invasion at the 1260. I agree, Men's Traditions are very powerful, and they clutter our reasoning, that is why Satan uses them against us....Thou shalt not surely die.

 

[Douggg]

The beginning of the 70th week with the confirmation of the covenant. "In the Midst of the Week" (1260 days or 3.5 years),The 2nd half of the week, the AoD happens. NOT 1260 days later. From the Middle of Daniel's 70th week, 1260 days or more, the 2nd Advent (coming) of the Lord happens.

Blade

Blade, that is a nominal way to to view the 70th week. But in reality it is not "exactly" correct... but close. I will explain.

"midst of the week" is an expression meaning middle part of the week. It does not mean middle day - as on day 1260.

The AOD is setup 1335 days before Jesus returns. It works out to be on day 1185 of the 2520 days 7 years. Day 1185 is in the middle part of the week... fitting the Daniel 9:27 description.

On day 1260, the two witnesses are killed. 3 1/2 days later, they ascend... on day 1263.5. Leaving 1256.5 days, which the bible calls 42 months in this particular case, that the beast rules unimpeded by the two witnesses who will be gone.

There is the common tendency for people to convert the 42 months as 30 days x 42 to be 1260 days. Mathematically, conversion-wise, this makes sense. But in the special case in Revelation, that is not the case, because the 42 months expression takes into account the small portion of time of the 3 1/2 days that the two witnesses's bodies lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem.

1260 days + 3 1/2 days + 1256.5 days (the 42 months) = 2520 days.
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Similarly, in Revelation 12:6 is the 1260 days of the two witnesses. Then the war in heaven, as some amount of earth time passes, which is not given. Leaving Satan a time, times, half time, has left in the seven years. Which is something less than 1260 days, because it takes into account the amount of time for the war in heaven (the second heaven).

1260 days + war time in heaven + time, times, half time = 2520 days.

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How the time frames fit, whether within the first half or second half is as follows.

first half
1260 days Revelation 11:3, 12:6

second half
3 1/2 days Revelation 11:11
42 months Revelation 11:2, 13:5
time, times, half time Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7

All of the time expressions given fit within the 7 year 70th week. Including the 1335 days, and the 1290 days.
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day 1.....day 1185 (AoD).....1290 days to sixth seal event day 2475....day 2520.

The AoD will be setup 1335 days before Jesus returns. The setup day is on day 1185. Then from day 1185 going forward 1290 days, the sixth seal event will take place. Giving cause of the kings of the earth to assemble their armies to make war on Jesus.

From day 2475, they have a 45 day window to prepare and assemble their armies at Armageddon.

Jesus descends to earth on day 2520, and destroys those armies.

 

[Revealing Times]

I know all these great Bible teachers claim that Matt24:29-31 is the second coming when Jesus returns with his armies on white horses and puts his foot on the Mount of Olives. Lets review the scripture. Do you see any white horses or armies? Do you see any Mount of Olives or kingdom being established?

To start with there are no White Horses, the white horse moniker is a Metaphor for a Conqueror thus the Anti-Christ goes forth to conquer on a "WHITE HORSE" but he's not really going to be riding a white horse either. We return with Jesus in an instant because we are spiritual beings with a new body, we go to Jesus in an instant likewise, because we are spirit men arising to Heaven. You should know these things brother.

No, you see the tribulation ending, you see the cosmic signs of Rev 6, you see a gathering, you see Noah in the Ark..........7 days before the flood. You see a rapture. No white horses. Jesus is coming to gather His elect from the earth (the twelve tribes) and from heaven (the church), not set up His kingdom.

The first mistake they make is not understanding the difference between the TRIBULATION and GODS WRATH. They are completely separate time frames. When the Tribulation is over the Wrath of God will begin.

Its your mistake, the "White Horse Anti-Christ" kills 1.5 to 2 Billion people, he is RELEASED BY WHO? Jesus Christ !! Thus the First Seal is the Wrath of God. Just because you see a vision where people on earth only understand they are in the Wrath of God when they see certain comic signs, doesn't mean that is when the Wrath BEGINS !! If they understood who the Anti-Christ was they wouldn't have given him power !! You have to use reasoning and logic man. You don't even get that White Horses is a Metaphor come on man.

We the Church are RAPTURED and seen in Rev. 4 and 5 in Heaven before Jesus opens the Seals, with White Robes on !! Meaning we have already Married the Lamb by this time. I have seen no one that understands the time-frame of Revelation in full, yet I have been given this and it's pretty easy, once we lay down the Men's Traditions God will give it unto all who seek, too many people have pride that they can't seem to lay down.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

What's the reference point here ? Read verses 15-22, so IMMEDIATELY AFTER THOSE TRIBULATION DAYS START, we see the Sun and Moon not give their light and STARS (Angels/Satan is cast out of Heaven at about the Midway Point, no stars are falling to earth). SEE the Powers of Heaven shall be SHAKEN.........Satan is cast out of Heaven !! Get it ?

Then Jesus will appear in the Sky AFTER THOSE THINGS in general, after the Tribulation period which lasts for 1260 days. Just look at the Jews in Jerusalem and see if they are not in a TROUBLED PERIOD for all 1260 days !! That is if they survive for 1260 days until Jesus returns, the Jews in Petra are living in trouble for 1260 days, they can't leave, else they will die. Jacob's Troubles last 1260 days.

Jesus' Second Coming happens, he gathers the ELECT from the FOUR CORNERS of Heaven. You guys who can't see the Rapture, honestly I just shake my head and wonder why !! It's very obvious.

Matt. 24:36-51 is THE RAPTURE.

Now you have a real problem. First off you have a problem of 1335 days........what happens? But your real problem is what are you going to do with this verse......OUCH....

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed

2300 Evenings and Mornings = 1150 Days. You not getting this when no doubt people have showed you this just proves you like to stay in lanes when the man with the flag is saying, GET OVER, GET OVER !!

There are TWO NUMBERS behind Days in verse 14, one means Evening and one means Morning. So there are 2300 Evening and Morning Oblations, just like Daniel prayed at the EVENING OBLATION when Gabriel came unto him, see Daniel 9:21. You are never going to get these truths until you learn to study the Hebrew and Greek root words. The WORD of God is the Word of God, the KJV is nothing but a tool, we need the unvarnished word in EVERY INSTANCE !!

Revelation 1:1 for example has the same problem, there are TWO NUMBERS behind ONE WORD, the word SHORTLY, so we have many people go down a WRONG RABBIT HOLE, all because they do not understand the original Greeks meaning.

There is one NUMBER/GREEK WORD {EN} which means a FIXED POSITION IN TIME.

There is another NUMBER that means TACHOS which means SWIFTLY or in an instant.

So we know that no one but God the Father knows when He is going to send Jesus via the scriptures right ? So now Rev. 1:1 makes PERFECT SENSE !! At a future POINT IN TIME [God is going to send Jesus back] Jesus will return SWIFTLY !!

Jesus knows not the day nor the hour, thus the REFERENCE to a FIXED POINT IN TIME !!

And at that time Jesus will come SPEEDILY/FAST/SWIFTLY.

We have to understand God's REAL WORD, not the KJV Translation. All translations will have errors, we have computers, there is no excuse not understanding what the ORIGINAL INTENT WAS !!

 

[Revealing Times]

Where does the Bible tell us jerusalem is destroyed 30 days after the 3.5 years have run their course?????

You still have the 1290 as BEING in the Millenium, which means you didn't get what I wrote at all in the longer post. The 1290 happens 1290 days before the Second Coming just like the 1260 happens 1260 days before the Second Coming. Thus the AoD happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem to become THE BEAST.

Read Dan. 12...........Read Matt. 24, Jesus tells them to FLEE when they see the AoD which Daniel calls the 1290..............he doesn't tell them to wait until the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem because that would have been NAIVE at best, and God is not naive. The Holy People are Conquered (POWER IS SCATTERED) at the time, times and half or in the Middle of the Week or at the 1260.

You aren't getting it because you think the 1290 is going into the New Millennium I guess but it means 1290 days from the SECOND COMING, thus it must happen 30 days before the 1260 Event.

You think GOD gave us riddles to solve. Think again. Try reading the Bible (ALL of IT) Literally, Historically and Grammatically. If you don't youi can get lost real quick and in this day, the end days, yoiu don't want to get lost.

I don't think I KNOW....Because He said he was going to LOCK IT UP until the end, when people ran to and fro and when KNOWLEDGE INCREASED..........So that is God saying these DEEP SECRETS I will reveal in the END TIMES. So I know God placed riddles in the bible, Jesus even tells us that man, COME ON, get with it man.

Jesus told the Disciples EXACTLY why they were given parables/RIDDLES, so they being of God would see and understand these things but the WORLD being not of God would not see nor understand the things of God. It just so happens that many things Daniel was told were LOCKED UP until the END TIMES, as spoken by God via Gabriel. So yes, I think God relats many things unto us via RIDDLES, and He reveals them in His own time !!

Nothing to do with Prophecy confuses me at all, it is my calling.

 

[Dave L]

The time such as never was ends with soon after that -the sign of the Son of man is seen in heaven. That never happened, nor did the men hide in the rocks from the face of the One that sitteth on the throne.

Jesus Christ told of wars and rumours of wars - all come to pass first.
but the end is not nigh

Paul even told the church -not to be trouble - as that day was not at hand.
Jesus Christ also told His disciples that the wars and rumours of wars section was as - be ye not troubled.
Later, nation would rise against nation...these are the beginning of sorrows - or as in -be ye now troubled.

the tribulation of those days
He didn't say - your days.

as to saying "ye"
Jesus Christ referred to not being deceived - as to them. He never told His disciples that they would be there at the time to flee Judea, and He also uses "ye" as to the time when heaven and earth shall pass away. The 4 apostles were not still going to be alive then and need to watch.

You need to make the obscure passages conform to the clear passages. If you keep this order, then it all comes together and makes sense. The great tribulation was Jewish taking place in 70 AD. The remaining tribulation leading up to the end of the world is Christian.

 

[BABerean2]

If you want to quote The pastor in a verse or two that convinced you that You are rightly dividing the Bible, I'll try to respond to it. BUT, I do not have time to listen to every video pastor and then make comments.

Blade

Turn to Matthew 1:1.

Everything before that verse is part of the Old Testament.
On the road to Emmaus Christ revealed that the Old Testament is about Him. (Luke 24:25-27)

Matthew 1:1 contains the most important genealogy in the Bible.
Jesus Christ is the son of Abraham and the son of David.
He is the fulfillment of the woman's seed in Genesis 3:15, and He is the fulfillment of the seed promise made to Abraham in Genesis 12:3.
This is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16.

The 27 books known as the New Testament are about the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary.
The promise made in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24.

At one time I was told by my Sunday School teacher that the Book of Matthew was written to the Jews. I found Christ revealing His Church in Matthew chapter 16, and the Great Commission to the Church is found at the end of Matthew's Gospel.
Therefore, the Book of Matthew is mainly addressed to the early Jewish Church, which was established on the Day of Pentecost.
On that day Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel", in Acts of the Apostles 2:36. The Gentiles were grafted in several years later. The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".


The above is "Rightly Dividing" the Word of God.

If you were planning on giving me the version that came from John Nelson Darby, then save it for someone who does not know the history of his doctrine, which is found in the link below.


PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26

http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

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[Bladerunner]

In the midst of the week is not the exact middle. A week is 7x360=2520 days.
Dan 12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

2520 days - 1335 days =1185 days so the midst of the week that the daily sacrifice is taken away is day 1185. 1260 days has nothing to do with it.

Don't know where you learned your math but 1260+1260 = 2520 2520/ 2 (Halves)= 1260
The Biblical use of MIDST is MIDDLE!

You said:"In the midst of the week is not the exact middle. A week is 7x360=2520 days. "

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

No, the tribulation is over before the wrath of God begins.

Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

OK, it is after all your interpretation, not mine!
If you do not want to learn, I will not argue.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Well, that is not a good counter argument is it. All of my points fit scripturally, and you have Men's Traditions if even that, there is no one understanding of this, for the most part what I see people offering is nonsensical theories, thus I really never bought into any of the viewpoints, where God is silent on something, a lightbulb goes off in my head, God doesn't want us to know until He wants us to know, lest we build up all of these theories as truths, then when God decides to inform us in HIS OWN TIME, we miss it because of all the built up clutter. I don't just offer guesses. That's not me.

Tell me where I am "wrong", after all, that is what is important. Because Scripturally, nothing I have espoused is wrong. None of this is about a time inside the New Millenium, all of these DATES are days from the end of these wonders. The 1290 happens BEFORE the 1260, there is NO WAY Jesus would't give a sign that gave the Jews time to Flee before the Invasion at the 1260. I agree, Men's Traditions are very powerful, and they clutter of our reasoning, that is why Satan uses them against us....Thou shalt not surely die.

Revelation is for the most part in Chronological order. This automatically throws out your assumptions. Daniel's 70th week is multiple fold. The Primary reason is to bring a, remnant of Israel to their knees thus finally recognizing the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah. The second is to punish mankind for his sins against GOD.

If you will look to Daniel 9:24, the summary of why this 70weeks happen is there.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Well, that is not a good counter argument is it. All of my points fit scripturally, and you have Men's Traditions if even that, there is no one understanding of this, for the most part what I see people offering is nonsensical theories, thus I really never bought into any of the viewpoints, where God is silent on something, a lightbulb goes off in my head, God doesn't want us to know until He wants us to know, lest we build up all of these theories as truths, then when God decides to inform us in HIS OWN TIME, we miss it because of all the built up clutter. I don't just offer guesses. That's not me.

Tell me where I am "wrong", after all, that is what is important. Because Scripturally, nothing I have espoused is wrong. None of this is about a time inside the New Millenium, all of these DATES are days from the end of these wonders. The 1290 happens BEFORE the 1260, there is NO WAY Jesus would't give a sign that gave the Jews time to Flee before the Invasion at the 1260. I agree, Men's Traditions are very powerful, and they clutter of our reasoning, that is why Satan uses them against us....Thou shalt not surely die.

NO, your trying to reason what GOD says to your views. Read it literally and it says 1260 DAYS, 42 months,(time,times and half a time) are all the same. There is no need to allegorize
1260 or any other number. They are just that numbers, literal numbers

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

You still have the 1290 as BEING in the Millenium, which means you didn't get what I wrote at all in the longer poist. The 1290 happens 1290 days before the Second Coming just like the 1260 happens 1260 days before the Second Coming. Thus the AoD happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem to become THE BEAST.

Read Dan. 12...........Read Matt. 24, Jesus tells them to FLEE when they see the AoD which Danie calls the 1290..............he doesn't tell them to wait until the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem because that would have been NAIVE at best, and God is not naive. The Holy People are Conquered (POWER IS SCATTERED) at the time, times and half or in the Middle of the Week or at the 1260.

You aren't getting it because you think the 1290 is going into the New Millennium I guess but it means 1290 days from the SECOND COMING, thus it must happen 30 days before the 1260 Event.



I don't think I KNOW....Because He said he was going to LOCK IT UP until the end, when people ran to and fro and when KNOWLEDGE INCREASED..........So that is God saying these DEEP SECRETS I will reveal in the END TIMES. So I know God placed riddles in the bible, Jesus even tells us that man, COME ON, get with it man.

Jesus told the Disciples EXACTLY why they were given parables/RIDDLES, so the being of Gd would see and understand these things but the WORLD being not of God would not see nor understand the things of God. It just so happens that many things Daniel was told were LOCKED UP until the END TIMES, as spoken by God via Gabriel.

Nothing to do with Prophecy confuses me at all, it is my calling.

Why do you add words to the LORDs Book. He did not say 1290 was in the millennium. NOT AT ALL. You need to read Rev 22:18-19...before you get yourself in too deep to get out.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Turn to Matthew 1:1.

Everything before that verse is part of the Old Testament.
On the road to Emmaus Christ revealed that the Old Testament is about Him. (Luke 24:25-27)

Matthew 1:1 contains the most important genealogy in the Bible.
Jesus Christ is the son of Abraham and the son of David.
He is the fulfillment of the woman's seed in Genesis 3:15, and He is the fulfillment of the seed promise made to Abraham in Genesis 12:3.
This is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16.

The 27 books known as the New Testament are about the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary.
The promise made in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24.

At one time I was told by my Sunday School teacher that the Book of Matthew was written to the Jews. I found Christ revealing His Church in Matthew chapter 16, and the Great Commission to the Church is found at the end of Matthew's Gospel.
Therefore, the Book of Matthew is mainly addressed to the early Jewish Church, which was established on the Day of Pentecost.
On that day Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel", in Acts of the Apostles 2:36. The Gentiles were grafted in several years later. The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".


The above is "Rightly Dividing" the Word of God.

If you were planning on giving me the version that came from John Nelson Darby, then save it for someone who does not know the history of his doctrine, which is found in the link below.


PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26

http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

.

Jesus tells us the in Luke 16:16.."The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

Heb 9:16-17..."For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. v. 17..For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."

If the death of the testator is required for a NEW Testament to begin, then the New Testament begins at the Death of Jesus Christ.

Please rem, Chapters and verses did not come along until 1400-1500's.

Blade

 

[Choose Wisely]

To start with there is no White Horses, white horses is a Metaphor for a Conqueror thus the Anti-Christ goes forth to conquer on a "WHITE HORSE" but he's not really going t be riding a white horse either. We return with Jesus in an instant because we are spiritual beings with a new body, we go to Jesus in an instant likewise, because we are spirit men arising to Heaven. You should know these things brother.

Let me word it another way so you might catch on. Do you see anything that tells you Jesus has set up his kingdom on earth? Do you see anything that tells you that Armageddon has occurred? No, you see the cosmic signs of Rev 6. You see Paul's gathering from the EARTH and Heaven.

Its your mistake, the White Horse Anti-Christ kills 1.5 to 2 Billion people, he is RELEASED BY WHO? Jesus Christ !! The First Seal is the Wrath of God, because you see a vision where people on earth only understand thy are in the Wrath of God when they see certain comic signs, doesn't mean that is when the Wrath BEGINS !! If they understand who the Anti-Christ was they wouldn't have given him power !! You have to use reasoning and logic man.

Well, actually, I understand this. But I also understand that the 70th week is over at the end of the tribulation, and most don't get that, making communication almost impossible. That said, you should then be able to understand that the vials are just a different view of the trumpets. So this verse shouldn't be a roadblock to your understanding of Revelation
Rev 15
1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

You don't even get that White Horses is a Metaphor come on man.

Or maybe you don't understand that none of the events that that Metaphor represents are occurring in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 is not when Armageddon occurs and the kingdom is set up on earth..........it is a coming of Christ to gather the elect from earth (the twelve tribes) and from heaven (the church).

We the Church are RAPTURED and seen in Rev. 4 and 5 in Heaven before Jesus opens the Seals, with White Robes on !! Meaning we have already Married the Lamb by this time. I have seen no one that understands the time-frame of Revelation in full, yet I have been given this and its pretty easy, once we lay down the Men's Traditions God will give it unto all who seek, too many people have pride that they can't lay down.

Well, I certainly understand Rev 4 and 5 with the church being caught up to heaven in the secret rapture in Rev 4. It will be like the days of Noah where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. I also understand the coming of Jesus in Rev 6 and Matt 24 where He comes for the twelve tribes that are scattered across the earth that have gone through the tribulation. It will be like the days of Lot where the very day Lot leaves Sodom destruction comes.

What's the reference point here ? Read verses 15-22, so IMMEDIATELY AFTER THOSE TRIBULATION DAYS START, we see the Sun and Moon not give their light and STARS (Angels/Satan is cast out of Heaven at about the Midway Point, no stars are falling to earth). SEE the Powers of Heaven shall be SHAKEN.........Satan is cast out of Heaven !! Get it ?

Oh, I get it alright, and quite frankly I am in shock that you get it. So if you get that, how come you don't see that very event of Satan being cast out of heaven in Revelation 6.

Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Then Jesus will appear in the Sky AFTER THOSE THINGS in general, after the Tribulation period with lasts for 1260 days. See the Jews in Jerusalem and see if they are not in a TROUBLED PERIOD for all 1260 days !! If they survive.

The church is reptured pre trib. The seals are opened. The twelve tribes that are scattered across the earth go through the tribulation. They become jealous and seek the Messiah when they realize that God has come for the unnatural branch's. The twelve tribes are raptured post trib.....Matt 24 and Rev 6. It is the remnant of the Nation of Israel that goes through the vials 1260 days in protection.

Jesus Second Coming happens, he gathers the ELECT from the FOUR CORNERS of Heaven. You guys who can't see the Rapture, honestly I just shake my head and wonder why !!

Matt. 24:36-51 is THE RAPTURE.

Why would you conclude that I don't understand that Matt 24:36-51 is the rapture of the church as I certainly understand that. What you don't understand is that Matt 24:30-31 is not when Christ returns to set up his kingdom.........it is when He comes to gather his elect from heaven (the church) and earth (the twelve tribes)

Matt 24
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Here is another view of the same event. You'll see the gathering from earth and heaven.
Mark 13
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

2300 Evenings and Mornings = 1150 Days. You not getting this when no doubt people have showed you this just proves you like to stay in lanes when the man with the flag is saying, GET OVER, GET OVER !!

LOL. It just cracks me up when I hear comments like this. When I read your posts about what you think I believe, you are way off. You should probably find out what I believe before you make these types of comments as you will find that the things that I say are different than you have heard before. Revelation is full of roadblocks because God has made things confusing. He didn't just put 2300 evening and mornings for no reason. It give you two paths to take. To make things fit in the perceived timeline most must choose 1150 days. It's just like most must choose that the daily sacrifice is taken away at the same time that the abomination of desolation is set up, even though it tells us there will be 1290 days. They can't split the events............because it doesn't fit in their timeline.

There are TWO NUMBERS behind Days in erse 14, one means Evening and one means Morning. So there are 2300 Evening and Morning Oblations, just like Daniel prayed at the EVENING OBLATION when Gabriel came unto him, see Daniel 9:21. You are never going to get these truths until you learn to study the Hebrew and Greek root words. The WORD of God i the Word of God, the KJV is nothing but a tool, we need the unvarnished word in EVERY INSTANCE !!

Revelation 1:1 for example has the same problem, there are TWO NUMBERS behind ONE WORD, the word SHORTLY, so we have many people go down a WRONG RABBIT HOLE, all because they do not understand the original Greeks meaning.

There is one NUMBER/GREEK WORD {EN} which means a FIXED POSITION IN TIME.

There is another NUMBER that means TACHOS which means SWIFTLY or in an instant.

So we know that no one but God the Father knows when He is going to send Jesus via the scriptures right ? So now Rev. 1:1 makes PERFECT SENSE !! At a future POINT IN TIME [God is going to send Jesus back] Jesus will return SWIFTLY !!

Jesus knows not the day nor the hour, thus the REFERENCE to a FIXED POINT IN TIME !!

And at that time Jesus will come SPEEDILY/FAST/SWIFTLY.

We have to understand God REAL WORD, not the KJV Translation.

I think you have made a good point here. There are translation problems........such as Lucifer in Isa 14. That is not Lucifer being talked about there.

So out of all this..........since you know that the stars falling from heaven in Matt 24 is Satan being cast to the earth, you should be able to see the very same event in Rev 6. This knowledge should completely change your understanding and timeline. There are a bunch of roadblocks the you must get past to figure out what is really going on.........but you need to start with that ABSOLUTE.

 

[BABerean2]

Jesus tells us the in Luke 16:16.."The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

Heb 9:16-17..."For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. v. 17..For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."

If the death of the testator is required for a NEW Testament to begin, then the New Testament begins at the Death of Jesus Christ.

Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

The Greek word "diatheke" is translated as "covenant" above.
It is the same Greek word found below, which is translated as "testament" in the KJV, but "covenant" in the NKJV.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(Copied word-for-word from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
(Same covenant as in Hebrews 8:6.)
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
Heb 9:18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood.

You are correct about one thing.
The New Covenant was fulfilled at Calvary.
That account is found in all four Gospels.


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[iamlamad]

Day of the Lord begins on an unknown day within the 7 years, with the transgression of desolation........then shortly thereafter, the great tribulation begins on day 1185 of the seven years with the abomination of desolation ...........

then the great tribulation ends with Jesus's return.......

and the Day of the Lord continues into the millennium rule......

and then the final rebellion.......

then the present heaven and earth consumed in fire......

then the Great White Throne judgment.....

and the Day of the Lord continues into and for eternity, with a new heaven and new earth, and new Jerusalem.
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All on the Day of the Lord. There are different segments of it - which people tend to focus on just one particular segment to argue their view of what is the Day of the Lord.

Why is it SO DIFFICULT to just follow John backed by the Holy Spirit?
John tells us the Day of the Lord BEGINS at the 6th seal. Joel 2 and Isaiah 2 back this up. THE DAY begins at the 6th seal. The the "trib" or the 70th week begins at the 7th seal with the 30 minutes of silence.

Is there something wrong with the way the Holy Spirit caused John to write?

 

[Choose Wisely]

Don't know where you learned your math but 1260+1260 = 2520 2520/ 2 (Halves)= 1260
The Biblical use of MIDST is MIDDLE!

You said:"In the midst of the week is not the exact middle. A week is 7x360=2520 days. "

Blade

Of course the midst means EXACT middle................. if you don't understand.

If a sailor said that he lost his harpoon in the midst of the storm, would you calculate that since it was a 6 hour storm that he lost his harpoon at hour 3. Or would you realize that the harpoon was lost in the middle of the storm but not necessarily at hour 3.

God gives us the calculation. Day 1335 after the daily sacrifice is taken away allows you to subtract 1335 days from 2520 and realize the the daily sacrifice was taken away on day 1185........in the midst of the week.

Can you show me a scripture where 1260 days occurs in the midst of the week?

 

[Choose Wisely]

OK, it is after all your interpretation, not mine!
If you do not want to learn, I will not argue.

Blade

If there is anything you can teach me, I will be happy to learn. However, I already understand why you are incorrect regarding this as I used to believe what you did. Then I decided to put things where God says they go and quit taking a hammer and pounding square pegs into round holes.

 

[Douggg]

Why is it SO DIFFICULT to just follow John backed by the Holy Spirit?
John tells us the Day of the Lord BEGINS at the 6th seal. Joel 2 and Isaiah 2 back this up. THE DAY begins at the 6th seal. The the "trib" or the 70th week begins at the 7th seal with the 30 minutes of silence.

Is there something wrong with the way the Holy Spirit caused John to write?

The 6th seal is not the beginning of the Day of the Lord because right before the day of the Lord begins the world will be saying "peace and safety". 1Thessalonians5:2-3.

Definitely not the case at the time of the 6th seal.

Understanding of the Day of the Lord, it is necessary to take all the references to the Day of the Lord throughout the bible and put the different segments about the Day of the Lord in order.

The 70th week begins with the confirming of the covenant for 7 years.

The great tribulation begins with the Abomination of Desolation in a holy place.

 

[Douggg]

Read it literally and it says 1260 DAYS, 42 months,(time,times and half a time) are all the same.

Yes, that is what it says in Revelation. But in Revelation, they are all not exact equals in terms of days.

The 42 months and the time, times, and half time are given because they are not "exactly" 1260 days. Close, but not exactly.

When everything is understood in the right order - the total is 2520 days, the 7 years.

When factoring in the two witnesses...

1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (referred to as 42 months) = 2520 days

And when factoring in the war in heaven (the second heaven)....

1260 days + war in heaven time + the time, times, half time = 2520 days

The first half in blue. The second half in brown.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, that is what it says in Revelation. But in Revelation, they are all not exact equals in terms of days.

The 42 months and the time, times, and half time are given because they are not "exactly" 1260 days. Close, but not exactly.

When everything is understood in the right order - the total is 2520 days, the 7 years.

When factoring in the two witnesses...

1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (referred to as 42 months) = 2520 days

And when factoring in the war in heaven (the second heaven)....

1260 days + war in heaven time + the time, times, half time = 2520 days

The first half in blue. The second half in brown.

And if we were to timeline the 1290 days and the 1335 days, it would look like this...

day 1......day 1185 AoD....... 1290 days later............day 2475*.......day 2520

*sixth seal event. Then, a 45 day window for the armies to gather at Armageddon.

The first half in blue. The second half in brown