Day of the Lord

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CW, you need to rethink the Day of the Lord as an extended period of time, as also being eternity; but beginning when the Antichrist goes into the temple, during the 7 years and claims to have achieved God-hood, shattering the peace and safety illusion that the world will be living in - thinking he is the messiah.

What is in the bible is the Day of the Lord is presented - segments at a time. You have to put all the segments together to get the big picture.

It is like all eschatology. You get parts of the picture from different passages throughout the bible. But they have to be put together - correctly.

The Day of the Lord does not begin when Antichrist goes into the temple, it begins when Jesus returns for a gathering. It is a gathering from earth (the twelve tribes) and from heaven (the church).

Mark 13
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

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Bladerunner is correct; the AoD happens at the mid point of the last seven years. It is that which causes the daily sacrifice to cease.

I see the 1260 days from that as the time of the Great Tribulation, of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, culminating with Armageddon and the Return of Jesus.
The 1290 days; the extra 30 may be the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, then the 1335 days, is 75 days until the temple is cleansed and re-dedicated.
This fits with the Return being the Mo'ed of Tabernacles and the Temple restored at Chanukah, Kislev 35; the same day as it was after the A4E desecration.

So Daniel is wrong?

 

[Douggg]

The Day of the Lord does not begin when Antichrist goes into the temple, it begins when Jesus returns for a gathering. It is a gathering from earth (the twelve tribes) and from heaven (the church).

Mark 13
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

The Day of the Lord begins before Jesus returns. The Day of the Lord includes Jesus's return and His thousand year reign. But it begins before then, with the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.


2Thessalonians2:

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


The person is not revealed as the man of sin until he commits the transgression of desolation act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.

 

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Things that my eye catches.. thief in the night.. some say for sinners.. yet who was Christ talking to in Rev and other places? "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief" Now in Rev 3.. who is He talking to? Not the world.. but His own "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee"

Well considering Jesus stated he would cast some out by spewing them out of his mouth, the above you cited fits perfectly, Jesus is telling them to WATCH (stay in the light/in Jesus) lest I come as a thief and find you in the DARKNESS (in sin or........of Satan). The WATCH means to stay chaste in Jesus until he returns, we must run the FULL RACE. In Matt. 24 ENDURE until the end means the end of one's life, that is why many people misconstrue that passage with the end times/tribulation period.

1 Thessalonians 5
Berean Study Bible
The Day of the Lord
(Zephaniah 1:7-18; 2 Peter 3:8-13)

1 Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. 2 For you are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4 But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5 For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night; and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.

8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet of our hope of salvation. 9 For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

So the above is all about Christians staying IN CHRIST, and not going back to their old ways of loving SIN (DARKNESS) lest Jesus leave them behind when he comes in the Wrath to come.

We ARE NOT APPOINTED to that wrath, but we can make it our destiny by turning away from God. So yes, Christians are the subject here, they are being told we must stay in the LIGHT....Christians are not saved once they accept Christ, they must abide in that salvation continually, this whole "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED" is pretty much nonsensical stuff.

 

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The Day of the Lord begins before Jesus returns. The Day of the Lord includes Jesus's return and His thousand year reign. But it begins before then, with the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.


2Thessalonians2:

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


The person is not revealed as the man of sin until he commits the transgression of desolation act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.

You've got it all wrong Douggg. It does not say that the Day of the Lord starts with the man of sin being revealed. The brethren were concerned that the Day of the Lord had begun. Paul is telling them don't listen to what you hear......don't be deceived. Before the Day of the Lord can begin there will be a falling away and the man of sin will be revealed.

He is saying......listen.......we are not in the Day of the Lord because we have not seen the falling away and the man of sin being revealed. It does not mean that when the man of sin is revealed we are in the day of the lord. It means these things must occur BEFORE the Day of the Lord begins

We should look at verse 1
2 The 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

When the Day of the Lord begins there will be a coming of the Lord and a gathering together unto him.

Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Rev 6 is the same coming as Matt 24. We see that the day of the Lord is come.
Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is s
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

And here we can see those that have been gathered.
Rev 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 

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And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. That would put the abomination of desolation 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away.

UNTIL THE END OF THESE WONDERS !! Read verse 8, Dan. asks what shall be the end, thus Jesus is referring back to verses 6 and 7, how long shall it be to the end of these wonders, or in the second coming. That would put this EVENT (AoD) 1290 days from the Second Coming, just like it puts the scattering of the holy peoples (Israel) power 1260 days until the Second Coming. God gave us a beauty of a riddle here, but it has been revealed unto us in these last days.

Daniel's 70th week is made up of two 1260 day, 42 week periods within itself. The first part is set off by the confirmation (enforcement) of the covenant between Israel and "Many" by the Antichrist. It just so happens this "Many" is Death and HELL (Fourth Horseman).

REREAD Daniel 8:25, Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:40-43, study the MANY intently and tell me who you think they are ? I see the MANY as Nations the Anti-Christ enters into agreements with via 7 year contracts, NOT JUST Israel, he must Conquer the whole region, all of these Beasts on the map controlled the Mediterranean Sea Region in full. When we read Dan. 11:40-43 we see he conquers MANY nations, including Israel/Jerusalem, and all of North Africa falls.

Google European Neighborhood Policy, they already have 7 year deals with all of these nations: Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia to the South of the European Union. European Neighbourhood Policy - Wikipedia

Now hit the link and look at the map of what the E.U. would look like with all these Nations, then Google an Old Roman Empire Map. They look exactly the same.

European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP)
Blue = EU member states
Light Blue = EU enlargement agenda
Green = Eastern Partnership ENP countries
Orange = Other ENP countries (all but Libya are UfM members)
Yellow = UfM members, which are not an ENP country, part of the EU or its enlargement agenda)

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Old Roman Empire Map.

I suggest the MANY are these nations the Beast Conquers in Dan. 11:40-43, he deceives MANY by peace, not just Israel.

 

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You've got it all wrong Douggg. It does not say that the Day of the Lord starts with the man of sin being revealed. The brethren were concerned that the Day of the Lord had begun. Paul is telling them don't listen to what you hear......don't be deceived. Before the Day of the Lord can begin there will be a falling away and the man of sin will be revealed.

He is saying......listen.......we are not in the Day of the Lord because we have not seen the falling away and the man of sin being revealed. It does not mean that when the man of sin is revealed we are in the day of the lord. It means these things must occur BEFORE the Day of the Lord begins

The "SUPPOSED FALLING AWAY" is the Departure of the Church. You are correct about the point of the Day of the Lord, but when the Beast is REVEALED, then at that exact moment the Wrath of God also starts, so while its technically correct, the Man of Sin must be REVEALED or BROUGHT FORTH INTO THE OPEN first, technically they both begin at the same time. The First Seal reveals this man to be THE BEAST, and thus at the same time the Wrath of God (DOTL) begins. Douggg therefore is correct on this. But as per the point Paul was making, you are 100 percent correct, you see, even if the DOTL starts at the same time as the Man of Sin comes forth, you can't be in the DOTL if their is no Man of Sin on the scene !! See my point, you and Douggg can bot be correct here. (Except for the Falling Away part, unless you mean the Rapture.......SMILE.......)

Matt. 24:29-31 is the Church returning from Heaven with Jesus Christ after the IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation period. Rev. 6 has nothing to do with the Second Coming.

 

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Peter was making stuff up? really? What he said concerning the Day of the Lord and the destruction of this present heaven and earth corresponds to what is found in Revelation 20:11. And the New heaven and New earth in Revelation 21.

No one said that !!

He told what he knew, and God doesn't give all things unto all people. Why did God only give Paul the Rapture understanding ? Because that is how God does things. Here a little, there a little. You take verses and run with them, like John 5:43, it has nothing to do with Israel accepting the Anti-Christ as their King, you just make it up brother. You get it in your head and it become reality.

I get your point how the Day of the Lord might mean his 1000 year rule and it started with His Wrath, so I am going to have to study that, it clicked that maybe I will have to look at it since the Lord's DAY is not ONE DAY, but a starting point. We have always associated it with God's Wrath and MAYBE that is Men's Traditions that override the facts, you see, I am not against new ideas, though I will have to look at it and test it via he scriptures first. I don't get tunnel vision because it's not about me, but about Jesus.

But you and that Anti-Christ is King of the Jews seemingly has no hope of changing....

Once I thought about the DOTL being 3.5 years, I said well it might be 1000 years, I will have to study it in depth, but it seems to only be about God's Wrath from my memories, we will see.

 

[Douggg]

He is saying......listen.......we are not in the Day of the Lord because we have not seen the falling away and the man of sin being revealed. It does not mean that when the man of sin is revealed we are in the day of the lord. It means these things must occur BEFORE the Day of the Lord begins

The Antichrist's act ( the transgression of desolation) triggers the Day of the Lord beginning. (Go back to my first post and read through it).

The text is not saying that the Day of the Lord will have begun prior to the Antichrist committing the act.

The Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God.
The Day of the Lord begins then, at that point.

 

[Douggg]

I get your point how the Day of the Lord might mean his 1000 year rule and it started with His Wrath, so I am going to have to study that, it clicked that maybe I will have to look at it since the Lord's DAY is not ONE DAY, but a starting point.

The Day of the Lord "has" a starting point. It is when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God.
The act is called the transgression of desolation.

You can read in Ezekiel 28:1-10, how it makes God angry about it. He will have the revealed man of sin killed for committing the act.

The Day of the Lord doesn't have a finishing point. It is eternal. The Day of the Lord is presented in the bible as segments. It is necessary to put all the segments together to get the big picture of the Day of the Lord.

 

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The Antichrist's act ( the transgression of desolation) triggers the Day of the Lord beginning. (Go back to my first post and read through it).

Hey Douggg. I read your post. I understood your post. It is wrong. The Day of the Lord does not begin with antichrist. The Day of the Lord starts with the coming of the Lord and the gathering.........exactly like scripture says.

The text is not saying that the Day of the Lord will have begun prior to the Antichrist committing the act.

I know. The day of the Lord will not begin prior to the man of sin being revealed. However, just because the antichrist is revealed and commits his act...........that does not mean the Day of the Lord has begun. The people in 2 thes 2 were afraid that they had missed the gathering from heaven and earth. They feared that the Lord had come and they were in the Day of the Lord. Paul reassured them that that day will not occur before a falling away and the man of sin being revealed.

The Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God.
The Day of the Lord begins then, at that point.

That's not what the scripture says. Its say when the Day of the Lord occurs there will be a coming of the Lord and a gathering.

2 Thes 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

 

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The Day of the Lord doesn't have a finishing point. It is eternal. The Day of the Lord is presented in the bible as segments. It is necessary to put all the segments together to get the big picture of the Day of the Lord.

This is also incorrect. The Day of the Lord is 1000 years.

Rev 20
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

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Matt. 24:29-31 is the Church returning from Heaven with Jesus Christ after the IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation period. Rev. 6 has nothing to do with the Second Coming.

I know all these great Bible teachers claim that Matt24:29-31 is the second coming when Jesus returns with his armies on white horses and puts his foot on the Mount of Olives. Lets review the scripture. Do you see any white horses or armies? Do you see any Mount of Olives or kingdom being established?

No, you see the tribulation ending, you see the cosmic signs of Rev 6, you see a gathering, you see Noah in the Ark..........7 days before the flood. You see a rapture. No white horses. Jesus is coming to gather His elect from the earth (the twelve tribes) and from heaven (the church), not set up His kingdom.

The first mistake they make is not understanding the difference between the TRIBULATION and GODS WRATH. They are completely separate time frames. When the Tribulation is over the Wrath of God will begin.


29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

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UNTIL THE END OF THESE WONDERS !! Read verse 8, Dan. asks what shall be the end, thus Jesus is referring back to verses 6 and 7, how long shall it be to the end of these wonders, or in the second coming. That would put this EVENT (AoD) 1290 days from the Second Coming, just like it puts the scattering of the holy peoples (Israel) power 1260 days until the Second Coming. God gave us a beauty of a riddle here, but it has been revealed unto us in these last days.

Now you have a real problem. First off you have a problem of 1335 days........what happens? But your real problem is what are you going to do with this verse......OUCH....

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed

 

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The Day of the Lord "has" a starting point. It is when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God.
The act is called the transgression of desolation.

I don't go along with that, remember the MEN'S TRADITIONS I warned about ? That is one also, it does seem he might do that, but the Wrath or DOTL starts when Jesus Opens the First Seal and thus the Anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer, thus becoming the Beast, it's God's/Jesus's Wrath, he delivers it not Satan/Anti-Christ or anyone else. He ALLOWS the Beast to go forth, but only after the Church is Raptured, that is the Wrath of God on mankind's beginning.

The False Prophet at the 1290 places the IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple. The Anti-Christ doesn't Conquer Jerusalem until 30 days later at the 1260.

You can read in Ezekiel 28:1-10, how it makes God angry about it. He will have the revealed man of sin killed for committing the act.

The Day of the Lord doesn't have a finishing point. It is eternal. The Day of the Lord is presented in the bible as segments. It is necessary to put all the segments together to get the big picture of the Day of the Lord.

We know God is going to kill the Anti-Christ, and all that are wicked. TIME is a construct God created for us, God is not subject unto time but is eternal, thus our New Heaven and earth being eternal will probably be LIKEWISE without a time construct.

 

[Douggg]

I don't go along with that, remember the MEN'S TRADITIONS I warned about ? That is one also, it does seem he might do that, but the Wrath or DOTL starts when Jesus Opens the First Seal and thus the Anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer, thus becoming the Beast, it's God's/Jesus's Wrath, he delivers it not Satan/Anti-Christ or anyone else. He ALLOWS the Beast to go forth, but only after the Church is Raptured, that is the Wrath of God on mankind's beginning.

The False Prophet at the 1290 places the IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple. The Anti-Christ doesn't Conquer Jerusalem until 30 days later at the 1260.



We know God is going to kill the Anti-Christ, and all that are wicked. TIME is a construct God created for us, God is not subject unto time but is eternal, thus our New Heaven and earth being eternal will probably be LIKEWISE without a time construct.

 

[Douggg]

However, just because the antichrist is revealed and commits his act..

It is not the Antichrist being revealed. It is the Antichrist being revealed as the man of sin.

 

[Bladerunner]

Hello brother, in this below post I am replying to a brother about the 1260, 1290 and 1335, I used this to inform people on a site about how God was going to call Israel unto repentance, and when. It was a thread about replacement theology amidst some of our Churches. He disagreed that the 1335 was the Two-witnesses showing up but stated he basically agreed with everything else, then proceeded to tell me how he thought the 1290 and 1335 might stretch 45 days and 75 days into the new millenium, and thus my post I am about to COPY AND PASTE below was my REPLY UNTO HIM. It is pretty in depth, but most people don't seem to get it. PONDER IT FOR A WEE BIT............

BOOM, every word you uttered was perfect in understanding what the 1260 means and as juxtaposed against the Second Coming from verses 1-3, then you did exactly what I did for 30 years, you look at verse 11 in a totally different way than verse 7 in that you are now thinking this GREAT RIDDLE (and it is a marvelous one) is being told unto us from a certain date (the Middle of the Week forward or the 1260 forward) in all three instances, but its not, it is being explained unto us in the exact same manner as the 1260 Event was told unto us as in the number of days from the 1290 until Jesus' Second Coming and the Number of days from the 1335 Blessing until the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Now go back and relook at it from that perspective and remember, Daniel asked them this......8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be THE END of these things?....So just like Jesus/Angel explained how long it would be from the time Jerusalem is Conquered until the Second Coming (1260 days), Daniel is about to be told how many days it will be from the AoD until the Second Coming of Jesus and from the BLESSING until the Second Coming.

The 1290 reference was how the Holy Spirit opened my eyes about a year ago on this, the Abomination of Desolation can't be 30 days after Jesus' Second Coming, it has to be either 30 days before the 1260 or 30 days after the 1260. Jesus told the Jews in Matthew 24:15-16 to Flee Judea when they see this AoD, and we know the Jews flee and are protected for 1260 days in the Wilderness, so this tells us what ? It has to be before the 1260 Event, if it was 30 days after the Anti-Christ Conquered Jerusalem then he would have killed all the Jews no doubt, and the Jews would have only fled to the wilderness for 1230 days before Jesus' returned to save them !! And why would Jesus warn them to flee after they had been conquered? It made no sense to me, so I then knew, in my KNOWER, that the 1290 was just like the time, times and half (1260) event, it was a set number of days from a certain event until Jesus' Second Coming which ENDS all of these Wonders. Thus I now knew the 1335 had to also be a set number of days until Jesus' Second Coming !! But I had to verify it or test it via the scriptures, does it fit ? Yes it does.

The Two-witnesses are that Blessing, they arrive 1335 days before Jesus' Second Coming. God meant no one was going to get this until the end times, He locked it up until these end times. The Two-witnesses have to be the Two-witnesses for 1260 days and the Beast has to be the Beast for 1260 days. This SOLVED a problem I have had for years, when do the Two-witnesses show up on earth in juxtaposition to the Beast !! Well we know the Two-witnesses die before the Beast so they must show up before the Beast who is the one that Conquers Jerusalem at the 1260, so them showing up at he 1335 is THE BLESSING and it fits perfectly, they turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord (Malachi 4:5-6). The Day of the Lord starts with the First Seal being opened at the 1260 Event.

When you ponder this from fresh perspective, think about verse 8 with Daniel asking the same thing the Angel seems to have asked in verse 6, thus when Jesus answers in verse 11 he is speaking as juxtaposed to the same understanding of HOW LONG WILL IT BE UNTIL THE END OF THESE WONDERS (Second Coming). Thus when Jesus talks about the 1290, it is just like the 1260 Event, it means 1290 days from the END OF ALL THESE WONDERS !! Or the Second Coming. And thus it now passes the common sense test, Jesus, IMHO, would pick a sign of something happening BEFORE Jerusalem was Conquered and tell the Jews to Flee, not after they were Conquered, so the 1290 just made too much since being BEFORE the 1260 event, and didn't make much sense to me as per being after the 1260. Thus the 1335 is 75 days before the 1260, and the 1290 is 30 days before the 1260.

So a quick rundown on what happens via the Chronology of Events.

1. The Two-Witnesses show up and 1/3 of Israel REPENT before the Day of the Lord/Wrath of God is at hand. (1260 Event)

2. The False Prophet places an IMAGE of the European Beast in the Temple 1290 days before the Second Coming (Rev. 13 says it's the False Prophet that does this, so this JIBES also) but it happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem. Think Jason under Antiochus Epiphanes who tried to Hellenize the Jews, his real name was Yeshua, he had his Pious High priest brother killed (Onias III) by bribing Antiochus Epiphanes. I think Daniel chapter 11 is painting a picture of the coming Anti-Christ and his False Prophet partner.

3. The Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem and thus becomes the Beast 1260 days before Jesus' Second Coming.

When you are given something, TEST IT, and it makes other things come together, its like you know that you know that you know. I came understood so many things via this revelation, the Two-witnesses timing became crystal clear unto me. Oh yea, one more thing, for the Jews to know they have to OBEY Jesus and Flee Judea to Petra or the Mountains, they will have to have read the Gospels by that time, meaning the Two-witnesses MUST show up BEFORE they flee, because they are forbidden from reading the New Testament Gospels as we speak.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

This is some deep stuff, to be honest, I have yet to get many people to understand it.

God Bless.......Brother.

I understand it, just don't agree with it.

Blade.

 

[Bladerunner]

The problem with the premill doctrine is that it does not work, when compared to the rest of the New Testament.

It must ignore Matthew 25:31-46, and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1, and Revelation 11:15-18, and Revelation 16:15-16 to work, and then you claim "Everyword of the KJV".

You also ignore the fulfillment of the New Covenant in Hebrews 12:22-24.

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You are not rightly dividing the Bible.. 2 TIm 2:15.."Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Blade

 

[BABerean2]

You are not rightly dividing the Bible.. 2 TIm 2:15.."Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Blade

Pastor Michael Hoggard speaks here about "Rightly Dividing the Word".

Rightly Dividing The Word Part 1: Pastor Michael Hoggard