ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

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Yea sorry brother you simply ignored everything in this post neither did you address anything in the post or any of the scriptures that disagree with you in this that post.

Q9. WHAT IS THE SIGN, THE SEAL AND THE MARK (linked)?

By all means please feel free to address this post and all the scriptures in them. Until you do so your only stating your own words over God's WORD and we will have to agree to dissagree.



Please read both of the posts provided below and the scirptures in them. By all means please feel free to address these posts and all the scriptures in them. Until you do so your only stating your own words over God's WORD brother.

Q9. WHAT IS THE SIGN, THE SEAL AND THE MARK (linked)?
Q 10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT (linked)?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts however Kenny it is appreciated.

May God bless you as you continue in his Word.

See, what you are expecting there is for me to answer what you think they are, while I am answering what I think they are. Now if you have something to say on what you think they are, have at it, but don't expect me to think as you do on this and when I don't, say I din't address it, that is an oddball way of seeing things...understand?
 
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No, you completely evaded

No brother nothing has been evaded as you claim. Your question was...

But first I need you to address why the sin SDA has introduced, a sin unto damnation, is never mentioned one time in the bible while the others are several times (yes I showed you scripture)? I have asked this several times and only to remind you, after this, if no answer, I'll just assume you do not want to answer, and you are avoiding it.

This was responded to with...

LGW wrote: My friend all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are not in a saved state before God neither do they know God because they are still in their sins and have rejected the gift of God's dear son. HEBREWS 10:26-27; ROMANS 6:23; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. This is the difference between those who follow God and those who follow the BEAST *REVELATION 14:8-12.

Everything provided to answer your question brother is God's WORD not mine.

Your reply to that had zero to do with what you replied to, but I get it now, and the whole point is that you know you are evading a perfecly legit question, and you need to ask yourself why.

I do not see it as you do brother maybe you need to re-phrase your question a little better. SIN is the issue of the discussion here. If that is not what we are talking about than what is it that you are talking about and want answered and why? Please explain what you want better as all I see is what you have written and believe I have responded appropriately with God's WORD.

I never claimed you used any other words but your own. So, is all that to say you accept the challenge or are you going to skip answering another direct comment? Do you even see how you gave no answer to that one way or another?

Perhaps you need to re-read what was posted to you... This is what I wrote to you earlier brother....

My friend I have only used my own posts and scripture studies here in this thread. Like I said earlier, I am happy to have a friendly discussion with you sharing God's WORD. Let's discuss it. As I LOVE God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and FOLLOW it over the teaching and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Why you think I gave you no response or answer I do not know why.

I'll check back on this thread tomorrow, and see if you have posted what I asked for so we can take it one step at a time...hope you consider that offer to help resolve this, if not, well, what am I supposed to think? If you believe the reasoning to the main claim here to be true, you won't mind boldly posting it.

I suggest that you start off by addressing my posts in detail and the scriptures that you disagree with and why. Look forward to hearing back from you and nice talking to you although to be honest. I am not sure where and why you disagree still.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word. bb :wave:
 
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See, what you are expecting there is for me to answer what you think they are, while I am answering what I think they are. Now if you have something to say on what you think they are, have at it, but don't expect me to think as you do on this and when I don't, say I din't address it, that is an oddball way of seeing things...understand?

Sorry brother, I do not understand what you are saying here. Perhaps get some rest and we can chat latter.
 
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Sorry brother, I do not understand what you are saying here. Perhaps get some rest and we can chat latter.

Reading your posts i can only see someone who is totally lost in what scripture passages actually mean. You say you are not interpreting them but on the other hand you are telling us what you say the passages mean! What 'YOU' think they say.

You are looking at Revelation through modern glasses. Also, sda beliefs.
 
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Reading your posts i can only see someone who is totally lost in what scripture passages actually mean. You say you are not interpreting them but on the other hand you are telling us what you say the passages mean! What 'YOU' think they say.

You are looking at Revelation through modern glasses. Also, sda beliefs.

Not really brother, please feel free to prove any of your claims with scripture and address any of the posts and scriptures provided here. They are all linked into the first post in the OP now so you should be able to find them all easy enough. Let's discuss what you think is not right and why and bring your claims to the light of God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. What is it that you do not agree with and why?
 
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Not really brother, please feel free to prove any of your claims with scripture and address any of the posts and scriptures provided here. They are all linked into the first post in the OP now so you should be able to find them all easy enough. Let's discuss what you think is not right and why and bring your claims to the light of God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. What is it that you do not agree with and why?

Lol, same reply from you, again and again. Look at your posts. See what you have written. It says it all! :doh:
 
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Lol, same reply from you, again and again. Look at your posts. See what you have written. It says it all! :doh:

Sorry brother I do not understand your posts. You make claims and accusations but when challenged about them, you do not wish to talk about it. You are free to believe what you wish to believe. After all we are all only held accountable to God alone come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. If you do not wish to discuss anything asked of you just say so.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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Continuing with the question of the OP...

Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD WHAT IS IT AND HOW DO WE GET IT?

GOD’S PEOPLE ARE SEALED WITH GOD’S SPIRIT.

EPHESIANS 1:13 In whom you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise

2 CORINTHIANS 1:21-22 [21], Now he who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, is God; [22], Who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE THAT ARE SEALED WITH GOD'S SPIRIT?

JOHN 14:15-26 [15], If you love me, keep my commandments. [16], and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; [17], Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was angry with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REVELATION 14:12 [12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVLATION 22:14 [14], Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

NOTE: GOD’S PEOPLE KEEP ALL OF GOD’S COMMANDMENTS BY FAITH in God's WORD

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ARE THERE CONDITIONS FOR RECEIVING GOD’S SPIRIT?

ACTS 2:38 [38], Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

ACTS 3:19 [19], Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERBS 28:13 He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

NOTE: Receiving God’s Spirit is conditional on seeking GOD’S FORGIVENSS in CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE of our sins and be baptized before we can RECEIVE the gift of God’s Spirit. God’s 10 commandments give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any one of them, we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:8-11 and need to seek God in confession and repentance of our sins and believing God’s promises of forgiveness and salvation from sin *ACTS 2:38; 3:19; 1 JOHN 1:9; 2:1; PROVERBS 28:13. LOVE is the NEW COVENANT promise of being BORN again *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. LOVE is the fulfilling of God’s LAW in us as we have faith in his WORD *EPHESIANS 2:10; 1 THESSALONIANS 2:13; PHILIPPIANS 2:13; ROMANS 13:8-10 and is why JESUS says….

JOHN 14:15-26 [15], If you love me, keep my commandments. [16], and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; [17], Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you. [18], I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [19], Yet a little while, and the world sees me no more; but you see me: because I live, you shall live also. [20], At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. [21], He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. [22], Judas said unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself unto us, and not unto the world? [23], Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. [24], He that loves me not keeps not my sayings: and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me. [25], These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. [26], But the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

NOTE: Receiving the Spirit of God is conditional on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD, REPENTANCE and CONFESSION of SIN (breaking God’s LAW) and being baptized and keeping God’s Commandments by faith as we walk in God’s Spirit. This is God’s WORK in us and walking in God’s Spirt we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16. So if we are NOT BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and breaking his Commandments than God’s WORD says we DO NOT KNOW GOD and we DO NOT HAVE his SPIRIT.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

NOTE: This is the difference between the people of GOD and the people of the devil.

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his nature remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

NOTE: The difference between God's people and the people of the devil is that God's people are not praticing KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. They are keeping God's Commandments.

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CAN WE GRIEVE AND LOSE THE HOLY SPIRITS PRESENCE?

EPHESIANS 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, by whom you are sealed unto the day of redemption.

PSALMS 51:11 Do not cast me away from your presence, and do not take your Holy Spirit from me

1 SAMUEL 16:14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and a distressing Spirit from the Lord troubled him

NOTE: We can grieve God's Spirit and God's presence will leave us if we break God's commandments and resist his Spirit by living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking God's Commandments)

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HOW DO WE LOSE GOD’S PRESENCE AND SPIRIT?

ISAIAH 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

NOTE: As shown already through the scriptures, RECEIVING the GIFT of God’s HOLY Spirit is conditional on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD. If we are NOT BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and breaking God’s Commandments and are in SIN we LOSE the presence of GOD. This is not to say that God gives up on us. He loves us and will convict us of sin when we do so but it is up to us to seek GOD in confession and repentance and FORGIVENESS by Faith before we can receive God’s presence again.

HEBREWS 3:7-11
[7], Therefore as the Holy Spirit says, Today if you will hear his voice,
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tested me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I swore in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest.

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CONCLUSION: RECEIVING God’s SPIRIT is CONDITIONAL on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and by FAITH in God’s WORD seeking God in CONFESSION and REPENTANCE of SIN and being baptized in his Spirit walking in his Spirit in OBEDIENCE to God’s WORD. Walking in God’s SPIRIT we will not fulfill the LUSTS of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16. God’s WORK in us is LOVE and all those who LOVE fulfill God’s LAW because they have God’s Spirit which is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. God’s people keep ALL of God’s Commandments by faith in God’s WORD and are sealed with God’s Spirit *JOHN 14:15-26; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVLATION 22:14; EPHESIANS 1:13; 2 CORINTHIANS 1:21-22. If anyone is breaking God’s Commandments living and known unrepentant sin they do not have God’s SPIRIT and do not KNOW God because they are still in their sins and have rejected the gift of God’s dear son *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; ROMANS 6:23. God only gives his Spirit to those who BELIEVE and OBEY his WORD *

ACTS 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.

My friends are you by God's grace and faith fulfilling the conditions for receiving God's Spirit and preparing yourself not to receive the MARK OF THE BEAST? If you find you are not than grieve not the Spirit of God and harden not your heart. JESUS stand at the door and is knocking on the door of your heart. Open the door to him and invite him in by confessing your sins and repenting. BELIEVE his WORD. In times of ignorance God winks at. He is calling us all to have a closer walk with him and to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word)

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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First and foremost....doesn't say it.
Revelation 6:8
8And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Every translation I have says this that POWER is given over a fourth part of the earth. So a fourth of the world will be killing. i.e. Spiritually and physically there is a movement which is over a fourth part of the world which uses killing, hunger, and death as tools for its own advancement.
1.4 billion people realistically could die and if people couldn't make money off of it, you wouldn't hear of it.
When you don't recall the spiritually dead state from which you were raised to life, you never will see the billions of people who are dead.
When you realize 1/3 of all people in the world are Christian.
When you realize 1/4 of all people in the world are Muslim.
When Antiochus Epiphanes was the "Antichrist" 175 B.C.
When Nero was the "Antichrist" 66 A.D
When you realize that everything in the Bible has already happened. And is happening again.
Armageddon (Har Megiddo) Battle of Megiddo-Wikipedia has 3 listed!!!
609 B.C., 15th century, and 1918.
Daniel's 1260 days 538-1798 A.D. concerning the Pope.
Ecclesiastes 1:9-11
9The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
Most importantly to this end, Jesus said in
Matthew 12:30
30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

First of all, it is evident you have the wrong translation. the KJV 1611 is the only real Bible out there.

Second, All the dead Christians and Muslims in the world from the beginning of time to date would not equal 1/4 of the population today.

Rem. Pope Innocent III killed more Christians in one after noon than all those killed under the Roman Caesar put together.

There were many battle at Meggido. If you think the Battle of Armageddon as Revelation lays out for you, then you have something to look forward to as you will not be part of the Body of Christ...

What can I say, Your living in the past. Good Luck

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Dave, the mark is indeed literal. Those without it will not be able to buy or sell. On what basis do you claim otherwise? (sorry if you already answered this)

Revelation 13:16-17
It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Those who worship Him will receive the Mark on their forehead or forearm. The Number will be His Number and it will not be 666 as that is the number of MAN... His number may or may not be this exact number.
Do you rem the Holocaust, where the Jews were numbered (tattoed) on their forearms. a close resemblance of the scenario then appears to happen here.

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Those who worship Him will receive the Mark on their forehead or forearm. The Number will be His Number and it will not be 666 as that is the number of MAN... His number may or may not be this exact number.
Do you rem the Holocaust, where the Jews were numbered (tattoed) on their forearms. a close resemblance of the scenario then appears to happen here.

Blade
The SS guards were also given a tattoo.
 
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No brother nothing has been evaded as you claim. Your question was...



This was responded to with...

LGW wrote: My friend all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are not in a saved state before God neither do they know God because they are still in their sins and have rejected the gift of God's dear son. HEBREWS 10:26-27; ROMANS 6:23; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. This is the difference between those who follow God and those who follow the BEAST *REVELATION 14:8-12.

Everything provided to answer your question brother is God's WORD not mine.



I do not see it as you do brother maybe you need to re-phrase your question a little better. SIN is the issue of the discussion here. If that is not what we are talking about than what is it that you are talking about and want answered and why? Please explain what you want better as all I see is what you have written and believe I have responded appropriately with God's WORD.



Perhaps you need to re-read what was posted to you... This is what I wrote to you earlier brother....

My friend I have only used my own posts and scripture studies here in this thread. Like I said earlier, I am happy to have a friendly discussion with you sharing God's WORD. Let's discuss it. As I LOVE God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and FOLLOW it over the teaching and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Why you think I gave you no response or answer I do not know why.



I suggest that you start off by addressing my posts in detail and the scriptures that you disagree with and why. Look forward to hearing back from you and nice talking to you although to be honest. I am not sure where and why you disagree still.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word. bb :wave:


Of course you evaded as you have thorough out this. I simple asked you to state how you draw the conclusion you do, and you would not answer, then you turn around and actually tell me you didn't evade anything.

Will you do that or will you not?

The rest of your post, you simply aren't paying attention, you are playing evasive games, turning what I say into something else, pretending I don't have a clue what you are talking about...everything but addressing my posts, and that is called being evasive. We all know what it means wen a poster does that, it means you simply cannot back your claims, so no reason to keep doing the same thing over and over. We'll just stick with the topic and I'll cover one tiny thing at a time so it cannot be ignored/confused or turned into something else in order to evade giving an answer.

To be perfectly clear, I will repeat myself, and the following is the rephrase of the question you asked for, if you still do not understand it, just ask:

Will you please post, in detail, how you draw the conclusion you do on the Mark of the beast, or will you not? If you would please answer yes or no so I can be certain what to expect, then you can add comment for ether answer if you like.
 
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Of course you evaded as you have thorough out this. I simple asked you to state how you draw the conclusion you do, and you would not answer, then you turn around and actually tell me you didn't evade anything.

Will you do that or will you not?

The rest of your post, you simply aren't paying attention, you are playing evasive games, turning what I say into something else, pretending I don't have a clue what you are talking about...everything but addressing my posts, and that is called being evasive. We all know what it means wen a poster does that, it means you simply cannot back your claims, so no reason to keep doing the same thing over and over. We'll just stick with the topic and I'll cover one tiny thing at a time so it cannot be ignored/confused or turned into something else in order to evade giving an answer.

To be perfectly clear, I will repeat myself, and the following is the rephrase of the question you asked for, if you still do not understand it, just ask:

Will you please post, in detail, how you draw the conclusion you do on the Mark of the beast, or will you not? If you would please answer yes or no so I can be certain what to expect, then you can add comment for ether answer if you like.

Nope not at all brother. Please prove what you say. I have posted everything that you have stated in your own words quoting you word for word and have shown you that your posts have been addressed with scripture. To help the discussion you were asked for further clarification but you have provided none. If you disagree brother than prove it. If not I am not sure what your argument is.

A detailed scripture response has already been started in the following posts which have been reposted to you (Q9 and Q10) but you choose not to address them or the scriptures in them that disagree with you. *Q9-11 provided below all connect together.

Q9. WHAT IS THE SIGN, THE SEAL AND THE MARK?
Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?

Anyway brother I am happy to discuss God's WORD with you but so far I am not really understanding your posts or why it is you disagree with the scriptures that have been provided to you as you will not tell me. Maybe you can start by addessing the posts above and showing why it is you disagree instead of simply stating that you disagree for the sake of having a disagreement. I am not even sure what it is you disagree about to be honest as you have are yet to make a case for why you disagree. So perhaps you might like to show what it is you disagree about and why in the liked posts provided above?

Hope this helps
 
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Nope not at all please prove what you say. I have posted everything that you have stated in your own words quoting you word for word and have shown you that I have addressed everything that you have posted with scripture. Than I have further asked you for clarification but you have provided none. If you disagree brother than prove it. If not I am not sure what your argument is.

I already told you I won't play your games anymore, as even you are intelligent enough to see I asked you a direct and simple question and still you play games with evasion/no answer, yet you will still state you evaded nothing. Amazing.

Will you do as I ask so we can address the subject here one step at a time or will you not? My whole point is, your claim for why the mark of the beast is what you/SDA says it is, will not hold up, and you make my point perfectly by choosing not to post what I asked and simply discuss it one step at a time....You clearly know it will not hold up. as I said before, if you are confident in it, you will sate it and state if boldly, without hesitation.

So now I see no reason for the thread at all...why are you posting a thread about something you have no confidence in being true?

And don't get me wrong, personally, I'm glad you are acting this way...though I don't think too many buy what you are trying to teach here, I am happy to see them read how you will not even discuss the actual topic in detail, hence you most likely will not win them over to your side.

I always suggest people keep the commandments, but to stretch a commandment to be something other than the mark as it is simply stated to be in the bible, is just wrong, and I hope those of you that are trying to teach this will someday see, someone has made this up, and it is not biblical.

I see these things as false "Higher Knowledge" the kind of thing that a certain type person will jump all over, and believe because it makes them feel they they are a part of a higher understanding than most have...above the rest, and if that's what they want, you can see what they get for their attitude...duped.

Most scripture is simply put, and only when man gets hold of it does it become complicated.

What I'm doing/did here is the only way I could make you see.
 
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I already told you I won't play your games anymore, as even you are intelligent enough to see I asked you a direct and simple question and still you play games with evasion/no answer, yet you will still state you evaded nothing. Amazing.

Will you do as I ask so we can address the subject here one step at a time or will you not? My whole point is, your claim for why the mark of the beast is what you/SDA says it is, will not hold up, and you make my point perfectly by choosing not to post what I asked and simply discuss it one step at a time....You clearly know it will not hold up. as I said before, if you are confident in it, you will sate it and state if boldly, without hesitation.

So now I see no reason for the thread at all...why are you posting a thread about something you have no confidence in being true?

And don't get me wrong, personally, I'm glad you are acting this way...though I don't think too many buy what you are trying to teach here, I am happy to see them read how you will not even discuss the actual topic in detail, hence you most likely will not win them over to your side.

I always suggest people keep the commandments, but to stretch a commandment to be a mark as it is simply stated in the bible, is just wrong, and I hope those of you that are trying to teach this will someday see, someone has made this up, and it is not biblical.

I see these thing as false "Higher Knowledge" the kind of thing that a certain type person will jump all over, and believe because it makes them feel they they are a part of a higher understanding than most have...above the rest, and if that's what they want, you can see what they get for their attitude...duped.

Most scripture is simply put, and only when man gets hold of it does it become complicated.

What I'm doing/did here is the only way I could make you see.

Not at all brother. I believe it is the other way around. You are proving my point in that God's WORD and scripture have been provided here in this thread already in the following linked posts below and many more linked to the first page in the first post in the OP here linked click me. I think the posts and scriptures in your view relating to the MARK OF THE BEAST are the ones you are questioning but when I bring them up (below) you do not wish to discuss them or tell me what it is that you disagree with.

Q9. WHAT IS THE SIGN, THE SEAL AND THE MARK?
Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?

I have asked you on more than one occasion now, what is it that you disagree with in the scriptures that have been posted here? I have still received no reply from you. So I do not know what it is that you are in disagreement about when all I have posted is scripture and God's WORD in the linked posts above in support of the MARK OF THE BEAST; THE SEAL OF GOD and SIGN and have shown that God's JUDGMENTS are connected to the above which links to SIN and breaking God's Commandments and OBEDIENCE to God's WORD by faith.

All you have said is that you think that the MARK is only a literal MARK but you have not demonstrated this in the scriptures and you have not shown in the scriptures provided here that disagree with you that they are not true.

Now unless you can show me clearly what it is you are in disagreement about and why you are in disagreement than how can you prove any of the claims you are making? I have only provided God's WORD brother not mine showing what the MARK OF THE BEAST is. All you have provided so far is your own words. This only supports what I have been sharing with you which is, if you cannot show what it is you are in disagreement about than how can you be in disagreement?

Sorry brother, only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. If you do not wish to discuss any of the posts and scriptures with me just say so.
 
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Not at all brother. I believe it is the other way around. You are proving my point in that God's WORD and scripture have been provided here in this thread already in the following linked posts below and many more linked to the first page in the first post in the OP here linked click me. I think the ones in your view relating to the MARK OF THE BEAST are the ones you are questioning but when I bring them up (below) you do not wish to discuss them or tell me what it is that you disagree with.

Q9. WHAT IS THE SIGN, THE SEAL AND THE MARK?
Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?

I have asked you on more than one occasion now, what is it that you disagree with in the scriptures that have been posted here? I have still received no reply from you. So I do not know what it is that you are in disagreement about when all I have posted is scripture and God's WORD in the linked posts above in support of the MARK OF THE BEAST; THE SEAL OF GOD and SIGN and have shown that God's JUDGMENTS are connected to the above which links to SIN and breaking God's Commandments and OBEDIENCE to God's WORD by faith.

Now unless you can show me clearly what it is you are in disagreement about and why you are in disagreement than how can you prove any of the claims you are making? I have only provided God's WORD brother not mine showing what the MARK OF THE BEAST is. All you have provided so far is your own words. This only supports what I have been sharing with you which is, if you cannot show what it is you are in disagreement about than how can you be in disagreement?

Sorry brother, only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. If you do not wish to discuss any of the scriptures with me just say so.

Still no answer/interest in discussing this step by step, I see....ok.
 
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Still no answer/interest in discussing this step by step, I see....ok.

Hello brother I have told you from the very first post sent to you that I am happy to discuss all the scriptures with you. I asked you to show what it is you disagree with and why you disagree in the posts and scriptures provided in this thread. You still have not done so. I even provided links to the posts made and the scriptures provided on the MARK OF THE BEAST for you to look at in earlier posts. If you cannot show what it is you are in disagreement about than how can you be in disagreement? As I said earlier if you do not wish to discuss any of the scriptures with me just say so. If you want to have a discussion please start addressing the linked posts provided section by section showing what it is you disagree with and why and lets discuss it? Do you wish to proceed? YES/NO? As for me I am happy to do so.
 
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Hello brother I have told you from the very first post sent to you that I am happy to discuss all the scriptures with you. I asked you to show what it is you disagree with and why you disagree in the posts and scriptures provided in this thread. You still have not done so. I even provided links to the posts made and the scriptures provided on the MARK OF THE BEAST for you to look at in earlier posts. If you cannot show what it is you are in disagreement about than how can you be in disagreement? As I said earlier if you do not wish to discuss any of the scriptures with me just say so. If you want to have a discussion please start addressing the linked posts provided section by section showing what it is you disagree with and why and lets discuss it? Do you wish to proceed? YES/NO? As for me I am happy to do so.

I wish to discuss it one step at a time in an orderly fashion, this is why I ask for exactly why you believe as you do, but you are afraid to put it on the table.

If you cannot understand how the conversation will be confusing if we don't both know exactly what is about by putting your reasoning on the table, I don't know what to tell you. It's like discussing a book that no one read, it's ridiculous to even try.

I've BEEN ready to proceed... post what I ask for, IOW the exact thing this thread is supposed to be about, and lets discuss it, or not. I have to know precisely what we are dealing with in it's entirety before I can address it. Do that or stop wasting our time.
 
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I wish to discuss it one step at a time in an orderly fashion, this is why I ask for exactly why you believe as you do, but you are afraid to put it on the table.

If you cannot understand how the conversation will be confusing if we don't both know exactly what is about by putting your reasoning on the table, I don't know what to tell you. It's like discussing a book that no one read, it's ridiculous to even try.

I've BEEN ready to proceed... post what I ask for, IOW the exact thing this thread is supposed to be about, and lets discuss it, or not. I have to know precisely what we are dealing with in it's entirety before I can address it. Do that or stop wasting our time.

I have posted in detail what it is I believe in the OP and in all the linked questions in the OP here linked click me.

For the MARK OF THE BEAST AND THE SEAL OF GOD in these linked post below..

Q9. WHAT IS THE SIGN, THE SEAL AND THE MARK?
Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?

I do not mind if you wish to go through each section a step at a time. This is why I suggested earlier that you go through each post section by section and scripture by scripture and show what it is you disagree with and why.

Now my friend how can I be afraid to put what I believe on the MARK OF THE BEAST and the SEAL OF GOD on the table when you can clearly see I have already done this for all to see in the linked posts provided in this very post in this thread? That does not really make any sense now does it?

All your showing is that you do not wish to address or discuss the posts and scriptures provided as you have not done so. Do you wish to proceed? YES/NO? As for me I am happy to do so and have been waiting for you as I do not even know what it is you disagree with what has been posted here and why.

I love God's WORD. Do you wish to proceed?
 
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I have posted in detail what it is I believe in the OP and in all the linked questions in the OP here linked click me.

For the MARK OF THE BEAST AND THE SEAL OF GOD in these linked post below..

Q9. WHAT IS THE SIGN, THE SEAL AND THE MARK?
Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?

I do not mind if you wish to go through each section a step at a time. This is why I suggested earlier that you go through each post section by section and scripture by scripture and show what it is you disagree with and why.

Now my friend how can I be afraid to put what I believe on the MARK OF THE BEAST and the SEAL OF GOD on the table when you can clearly see I have already done this for all to see in the linked posts provided in this thread? That does not really make any sense.

All your showing is that you do not wish to address or discuss the posts and scriptures provided as you have not done so. Do you wish to proceed? YES/NO? As for me I am happy to do so and have been waiting for you as I do not even know what it is you disagree with what has been posted here and why.

You are being so evasive its amazing!
 
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