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Featured ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. Kenny'sID

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    A post I can agree with 100%.
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    So are you interested in a discussion in sharing God's WORD? What is it that you disagree with in the posts and the scriptures shared here?
     
  3. Kenny'sID

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    Sure, when you are ready to share gods actual word.
     
  4. LoveGodsWord

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    God's WORD and scripture have been provided here in this thread already in the following linked posts below and many more linked to the first page in the first post in the OP here linked click me.

    Q9. WHAT IS THE SIGN, THE SEAL AND THE MARK?
    Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
    Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?

    I have asked you on more than one occasion now, what is it that you disagree with in the scriptures that have been posted here? I have still received no reply from you. So I do not know what it is that you are in disagreement about when all I have posted is scripture and God's WORD in the linked posts above in support of the MARK OF THE BEAST; THE SEAL OF GOD and SIGN and have shown that God's JUDGMENTS are connected to the above which links to SIN and breaking God's Commandments and OBEDIENCE to God's WORD by faith.

    Now unless you can show me clearly what it is you are in disagreement about and why you are in disagreement than how can you prove any of the claims you are making? I have only provided God's WORD brother not mine showing what the MARK OF THE BEAST is. All you have provided so far is your own words. This only supports what I have been sharing with you which is, if you cannot show what it is you are in disagreement about than how can you be in disagreement?

    Sorry brother, only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. If you do not wish to discuss any of the posts and scriptures with me just say so.
     
  5. Kenny'sID

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    Sorry, you don't get to have all your questions answered when you refuse to answer, and evade those questions posed to you. That is a one sided unfair conversation that is not the least but fruitful.

    Now watch this, you will continue to act clueless to any evasion when it is splattered all over this thread, and has been pointed out to you time and time again.
     
  6. LoveGodsWord

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    Now brother it has never been a one sided conversation. I have only asked you what it is you disagree with and have asked you to show why from the scriptures you disagree. If you do not want to answer these simple questions how do I know what it is you disagree with and your reasoning and how can we have a disacussion if I do not even know what it is you disagree with? You have been provided detailed scripture studies in linked posts asking you show me what it is you disagree with and why many times already (all can be found in the linked question section of the first post in the OP click me). So far you have refused to show what it is you disagree with and why you disagree. It is ok either way brother if you do not wish to discuss the posts and the scriptures in them just say so.
     
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  7. Kenny'sID

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    I have told you what I disagree with several times. I think the mark is a mark just as the bible says it is, a mark that distinguishes those who follow the beast from those who do not, and not what you/SDA claim it is?

    And there you go, exactly what I expected and just said would happen, you are acting clueless to any evasion, evasion that makes it a one sided conversation where you evade questions but expect others to answer yours.

    Too funny. :)

    Question 1) Why do you think God saw to it the bible mentioned all the damnable sins, lists of all the ones that will keep us from the Kingdom of heaven, in a very simple/understandable warning and never once mentioned the one you/SDA claim?

    Question 2) Why did he choose to make the sin you/SDA claim is a big problem, such a mystery? A mystery that only now are we made aware of it by man, and it is not simply stated in the bible as all the others are?

    Question 3) What about all the people that were dead before this was revealed to us, how is that fair to them when it was not stated clearly in the bible as the other sins were?

    Do you not see what is wrong with your picture?
     
  8. LoveGodsWord

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    Sure you did. That is why you were posted a detailed scripture study with God's WORD defining what the MARK; SEAL AND SIGN represents and means in God's WORD. In these linked posts provided below.

    Q9. WHAT IS THE SIGN, THE SEAL AND THE MARK?
    Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
    Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?

    You were then asked to show from these posts what specifically do you disagree with as these posts are provide detailed scripture also showing the HEBREW and GREEK Word meanings linked to the MARK OF THE BEAST with scripture defining scripture. You have not shown what it is you disagree with and why you disagree. So how can we continue the conversation?
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    There is no evasion brother I am still waiting for you to show me what it is you disagree with from the posts and the scriptures provided to you. I would suggest it is the other way about. If you say you disagree with something someone has posted why can't you show what it is you disagree with and why? What is funny is that you are expecting to have a conversation about what someone has posted and the scriptures in the post but you cannot show what it is you disagree with in the post and why you disagree. If you wish to have a discussion on the scriptures than you need to show what it is you disagree with and why don't you think?

    None of the scriptures provided here are my words brother they are God's WORD so please forgive me as I cannot take any credit for them. It is God's WORD that says ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are not in a saved state before God because they reject the gift of God's dear son *HEBREWS 10:26:27; ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 6:4-8. Those who continue in ANY KNOWN UNREPTANT SIN do not know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4. SIN and OBEDIENCE by FAITH is the difference between God's people and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:3-10. JOHN 14:15-26; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14.

    GOD's 10 Commandments are the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. GOD's 4th commandment is one of the 10 Commandment. JAMES says if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

    So yep SIN is breaking God's LAW and all those KNOWINGLY practicing sin will not enter God's KINGDOM unless they seek God in repentance and forgiveness.
     
  10. LoveGodsWord

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    God' only holds us accountable to what we know, not what we do not know.

    ACTS 17:30-31
    [30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: [31], Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

    JAMES 4:17 [17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

    What mystery? God's WORD very clearly defines what sin is and how it will keep all those who practice it out of God's KINGDOM. ALL through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. Gods WORD alone show that all those who receive God's judgment have only ever done so because of sin (breaking his commandments). There is no mystery brother this is very clear in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. Let's look at some...

    SIN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT BREAKING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS (Summarized)

    God said in Genesis 4:7 to Cain when he was angry because he did not worship God in his appointed way that by doing this it was sin. Jesus say the same in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow and teachings of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. Mankind was destroyed by a flood because of sin (Genesis 6:5-7).

    Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of sin (Genesis 18:20). Jacob knew about sin when he complained to Laben when he left with his daughters (Genesis 31:36).

    When Potiphar’s wife came to Joseph with the aim of committing adultery, Joseph knew it was sin and protested saying how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? (Genesis 39:9).

    God said that if Israel was not to make a covenant with the other nations and serve their god's it would be sin (Exodus 23:33). When Moses was delayed on the Mount with God the children of ISRAEL made an Idol and worshipped it breaking God's 1st and 2nd commandment (Exodus 20:3-5). Moses said to them after he returned, you have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; perhaps I shall make an atonement for your sin (Exodus 32:30; Deuteronomy 9:16-18). Moses said to Aaron that by making an idol for the people to worship that it was a great sin (Exodus 32:21; 30). God would punish the children of Israel for their sin of Idol worship (Exodus 32:34).

    God said to Moses in reference to breaking the 10 Commandments; Whosoever has sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book (Exodus 32:33).

    God said that if Israel was not to make a covenant with the other nations and serve their god's it would be sin (Exodus 23:33). Joshua says stealing is sin (Joshua 7:11). Achan knew when he was caught stealing that he sinned (Joshua 7:20).

    When God's people forsake God to worship other God's, they also confess that they had sinned in breaking God's commandments (Judges 10:10;15). Samuel made atonement for God's people when they wanted to return to God confessing that they had sinned after they worshipped other Gods breaking God's 1st and 2nd commandments (1 Samuel 7:5; 12:10; Exodus 20:2-5).

    King Saul wanted to kill David, but Jonathon spoke good of David saying to him no to sin against David by killing him (1 Samuel 19:4). David cut the skirt of King Saul in the cave and said to him that he could have killed him if he wanted to but did not sin against him by sparing his life (1 Samuel 24:11). King Saul replied that in wanting to kill David he had sinned (1 Samuel 26:21).

    When David became king he desired Bathsheba who was another man’s wife and organized for her husband Uriah the Hitite to be sent to the front line of battle to be killed. God sent Nathan to David and David confessed in doing this that he had sinned in breaking God's 6th and 7th Commandment (Exodus 20:13:14). David confessed that he had sinned to breaking God's LAW (1 Samuel 12:13).

    Now we can also go through all the evil Kings of Israel that sinned against God by following and worshipping other Gods which is also defined as sin in God's WORD but there would be too many scriptures (2 Kings 17:7). God testified that they served other Gods and idols sending them prophets to warn them of their sins (2 Kings 17:12-13; 16-17). We are also told that King Manasseh also broke God's 6th commandment and killed more innocent people then most others testifying that by doing this he had sinned (2 Kings 16:17). God continued to send prophets to warn his people of the consequences of sin (Nehemiah 9:30). God's people continued in their sins forsaking God's LAW (10 commandments) and in doing so God left them and Israel were overthrown and led into captivity to the other nations because they departed from God serving other God's and idols. Nehemiah knew this and prayed to God confessing their sins (Nehemiah 1:6-9). God's people continued to sin against God by worshipping other Gods despite the warning of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 44:18-23). In despite of God's Word teaching that God's people had forsaken the 10 commandments and sinned against God, going into captivity, God promised he would bring them back when they returned to him and heal them from their sins of breaking his commandments (Ezekiel 37:22-23).

    Hosea testified by the Word of the Lord that God's people by making idols and worshipping other god's, lying, stealing, killing, committing adultery would receive the judgments of God because they had sinned by departing from the 10 Commandments (Hosea 4:1-19).

    The word of the Lord came to Zephaniah saying that all those who continue in sin by worshipping other God's and breaking his commandments will be destroyed off the land because they have sinned against God (Zephaniah 1:2-17).

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    Yep God’s WORD is very clear that sin is defined as breaking ANY of the 10 Commandments just as James, Paul and John all teach in the NEW TESTAMENT (James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). All the above scriptures show by example, quoting individual commandments from the 10 Commandments that SIN is indeed also defined as breaking any of God's 10 Commandments.

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    NEW TESTAMENT AND BREAKING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS

    JAMES 2:8-12
    [8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
    [9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
    [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
    [11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

    James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

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    1 JOHN 3:4[4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

    John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)

    Links to...........

    ROMANS 7:7 [7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

    Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

    Links to..

    ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

    Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.

    Rejecting God’s Word…

    HEBREWS 10:26-27
    [26], For if we SIN wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for SINS,
    [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    the fruit.....

    MATTHEW 7:13-23
    [13], Enter ye in at the STRAIT GATE: for WIDE is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to DESTRUCTION, and MANY there be which go in thereat:
    [14], Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT.
    [15], Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    [16], YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    [17], Even so every good tree bringeth forth GOOD FRUIT; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth EVIL FRUIT.
    [18], A good tree cannot bring forth EVIL FRUIT, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth GOOD FRUIT.
    [19], Every tree that bringeth not forth GOOD FRUIT is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    [20], Wherefore BY THEIR FRUITS YOU SHALL KNOW THEM.
    [21], Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
    [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    [23], And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FORM ME YOU WHO WORK INIQUITY(SIN)

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    1 JOHN 3:2-3 [3], AND HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4], He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

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    1 JOHN 3:3-8
    [3], And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
    [4], Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    [5], And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    [6], Whosoever abideth in him sins not: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NOT SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM.
    [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    [8], He that committeth sin is of the devil;

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    CONCLUSION: Only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who is calling them are his people because they hear the voice of him who loves them and is calling them. These are those who BELIEVE His Word and through FAITH that works by LOVE keep all the commandments of God through Faith in Jesus (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-9; James 2:8-12; Revelation 12:17; 14:12: 22:14). Those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW him are NOT his people and do not KNOW HIM or trust in HIM for salvation because the FRUIT of their FAITH is not the OBEDIENCE of LOVE (James 2:18; 20; 27; 1 John 3:6-8).

    If your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who is calling you. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments) if you break ANY one of them you stand guilty before God in SIN and need to seek him in REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS. Please read; James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:13-23; 1 John 3:6-8; 1 John 3:4; James 2:8-12.

    If your tree does not bear the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE is will be cast down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 7:13-23). Those practicing SIN do NOT KNOW him who is calling them. Those who are ignorant God winks at but when a knowledge of the truth is come calls all men everywhere to repent for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at hand.

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    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

    Hope this is helpful brother.
     
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  11. Kenny'sID

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    What has any of that got to do with what you are replying too?

    Nothing whatsoever.

    Did you ever post how the SDA came up with what they consider the mark of the beast to be? Or are you just posting links still? I told you the first of the many time asked you to post it here, that you could just copy/paste it here, and I did that to make it easier on you, yet that still hasn't happened as far as I know.

    Please let me know when you do that.
     
  12. LoveGodsWord

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    Ok brother I see you do not want to discuss the scriptures. Thanks for sharing your thoughts however. We will have to agree to disagree.

    Everything posted here in this thread is from my own bible study of God's WORD asking Jesus for the Holy Spirit to be my teacher *JOHN 14:26. This includes all the links posted here of the studies presented in this thread and OP.

    If you change your mind and want to discuss any of the posts and the scriptures in any of the studies here I have now linked them all in the first post in the OP under the Questions section.

    May God bless you as you seek him through his Word :wave:
     
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    And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    Same King James
    Same verse I quoted before.
    Not sure what other King James you might be referring to.
    Here's a link to all of Revelation 6 in King James.
    Revelation 6 KJV

    Also available on the site is 27 other translations, greek and Hebrew interlinear, Strong's concordance, atlas, dictionaries, sermons, commentaries, and a plethora of other resources for any avid Bible student who is serious about Bible study.
     
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    Not really sure what you are trying to say. "Over one fourth part (still 1/4) of the earth" the power to kill them with three different tools. And Yes it is the same King James. By the way, the KJV 1611 version reads in Old English. The best of all. Here is the way it (1611 version)reads.

    Rev 6:8..."And I looked, and behold, a pale horse, & his name that sate on him was Death, and hell followed with him: and power was giuen vnto them, ouer the fourth part of the earth to kill with sword, & with hunger, and with death, and with the beastes of the earth."


    Blade
     
  15. Original Happy Camper

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    ever wonder why this verse is in the bible?


    2 Peter 3:3
    Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
     
  16. Kenny'sID

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    Then anyone who disagrees with SDA's view is a scoffer?

    Tricky, and just the type tactic people use in order to get the unaware to believe what they want them to believe.
     
  17. MyGivenNameIsKeith

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    1611 also has no "J" in its 25 letter alphabet. Semantics there I suppose. This conversation between us hasn't been very fruitful, I'd like to change that. Anyways, hope your Sunday goes well. Though any day is a privilege and a good day to worship in his house. Talk to you soon.
     
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  19. Original Happy Camper

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    No Ken that is not what i am saying. After reading this thread and your posts I learned that no amount of scripture will satisfy you unwillingness to discuss the word of GOD. The above post indicates this point.

    These verses in the bible are for the professed Christians not the heathen.

    Matthew 7:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
    13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

    14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
     
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  20. Kenny'sID

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    Actually, that's precisely what you are saying...you gave yourself away when you pulled the same tactic in the following:

    IOW, If we don't buy what SDA says, and take the verses in the
    bible to mean just what you say they mean, we must not be a professed christian. Now do you now see what I mean by "tactics".

    I know all SDA, do not subscribe to what the OP is bringing to us, but whether they do or not, I seriously doubt too many of them would be happy about using tactics like that. And what you are doing is not just an SDA thing, I've seen it from more than one Christian Bully..."believe as we do or there is something wrong with you"...the very reason I like to stick with the Bible and those who do the same.

    When you post scripture as you have done and for the purpose of bullying the unaware to come over to your way of thinking, you are not teaching the bible, you are "using" Gods word in order to get what you want.

    You have shown your heart.
     
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