Uh oh, Another allegation against Kavanaugh

[redleghunter]

Seems to me, though, that four people willing to go on record saying that Ford told them about an assault that happened to her in the past shows that she didn't just wake up a week or two ago and say, "Mmmm...I think I'm going to frame a Supreme Court nominee today with false sexual assault allegations".

No it only happened when Trump got elected.

 

[Ringo84]

A sworn affadavit: something people who made up a false charge totally sign.

Do you even believe these ridiculous arguments?
Ringo

 

[redleghunter]

I'm sure we'll be hearing that this is totally ""hearsay"" and that no investigation is needed for reasons in 4...3...2...1...

Well in fact such testimony would be hearsay. But Ford is not introducing the corroborating statements as evidence the assault occurred but that she did discuss with others her assault account. Probably to show that she just did not make up the name Kavanagh when contacted by Feinstein.

So it is hearsay Ringo, but important to squash the idea she just months ago remembered Kavanaugh. That did not happen according to the accounts until really after Trump's election and could not have been a consideration for her to act until Trump adjusted his SCOTUS roster in November 2017 adding Kanaugh.

 

[Ringo84]

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"It's hearsay Ringo....all politically motivated....these people went on the record just to slime Kavanaugh...all hearsay...everything's cool...."
Ringo

 

[iluvatar5150]

More allegations have come out. Redlegeagle mentioned four people corroborating Ford's story (which, of course, was immediately dismissed as "hearsay"). There's also this:

Michael Avenatti on Twitter

The sworn affadavit - you know: one of those things that carry a perjury charge if falsified - describes beach parties (conveniently, Kavanaugh released his 1980s calendars, which mention a "beach party") in which girls were drugged and gang raped.

Julie Swetnick also has a security clearance, putting herself at risk to come forward: Renato Mariotti on Twitter

I'm sure we'll be hearing that this is totally ""hearsay"" and that no investigation is needed for reasons in 4...3...2...1...
Ringo

Yowza. I expected Avenatti to be over-playing his hand. If they can produce the two people in whom she confided at the time, then that oughta kill this thing altogether.

 

[redleghunter]

A sworn affadavit: something people who made up a false charge totally sign.

Do you even believe these ridiculous arguments?
Ringo

Dude I can't help you figure out on your own terms the difference between an eyewitness account of actually seeing something happen (which is evidence) and someone telling someone not present what happened. You are really going to have hash that out with yourself because it is not registering in what you are writing.

You see a car run off the cliff in Colorado and then tell me about it later, I am not a witness to the car going off the cliff. This is hearsay.

If I am in the same park in Colorado the same time as you are and we both see the same car go off the cliff at the same time and later you say 'hey did you see the car go off the cliff?' Then I would say sure I did. I would be a witness and that is not hearsay.

 

[redleghunter]

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"It's hearsay Ringo....all politically motivated....these people went on the record just to slime Kavanaugh...all hearsay...everything's cool...."
Ringo

Really time to chill a bit. These four good citizens came forward to write a letter in support of Ms Ford because they believe her to be truthful and honest. They are character letters to disprove any personal or political motives. These letters are not to be weighed as evidence.

 

[redleghunter]

Yowza. I expected Avenatti to be over-playing his hand. If they can produce the two people in whom she confided at the time, then that oughta kill this thing altogether.

Avenatti is not involved in these letters or the Ford case.

These are character letters showing that at some point between 2012 until present, Ms Ford told 4 trusted family or friends about her account of the assault. 4 people she trusted who were not present at the party and did not witness the assault.

 

[redleghunter]

A sworn affadavit: something people who made up a false charge totally sign.

Ringo, can you explain to everyone here what these fine citizens and friends of Ms Fort actually swore to?

 

[Ringo84]

Avenatti is not involved in these letters or the Ford case.

These are character letters showing that at some point between 2012 until present, Ms Ford told 4 trusted family or friends about her account of the assault. 4 people she trusted who were not present at the party and did not witness the assault.

He's talking about the other accuser who came forward with a sworn affadavit to say that Kavanaugh was involved with assaulting girls at a beach party who had been drugged.

As for the character testimony letters to which you're referring: they prove that despite talking points to the contrary, Ford didn't invent this five minutes ago as a political attack. Whether or not they witnessed the assault themselves, they establish a timeline where this has been discussed in the past....which bolsters her case.
Ringo

 

[Ringo84]

Ringo, can you explain to everyone here what these fine citizens and friends of Ms Fort actually swore to?

You're talking about this, which is different - and new: Michael Avenatti on Twitter
Ringo

 

[iluvatar5150]

Avenatti is not involved in these letters or the Ford case.

No, but Avenatti is involved in the allegation referenced in the post I quoted. You should read it; it's a doozy.

 

[redleghunter]

No, but Avenatti is involved in the allegation referenced in the post I quoted. You should read it; it's a doozy.

Yeah it is. I'm sure the Maryland DA and state police and Governor have their phones ringing off the hook right now. Because this account is human trafficking even in 1980s terms. This goes beyond sexual assault and heavy petting to willful drugging, charges of kidnapping too, rape and perhaps depending on the state of some of the girls involved attempted murder.

Other witnesses need to come forward if criminal charges are to stick.

 

[Sistrin]

Seems to me, though, that four people willing to go on record saying that Ford told them about an assault that happened to her in the past shows that she didn't just wake up a week or two ago and say, "Mmmm...I think I'm going to frame a Supreme Court nominee today with false sexual assault allegations".

No, that happened in 2012 when Mitt Romney first cited Kavanaugh as a potential nominee to the Supreme Court if he were to win the Presidential election.

But as we have all seen, the truth doesn't matter to those who have the power to...you know...actually do their due diligence in actually investigating this stuff and getting to the bottom of it.

President Trump is absolutely correct concerning Avanetti. Avanetti and the allegations he is bringing forward were both scraped from the very bottom of the liberal/Democrat barrel. This is gutter-slime, nothing more.

 

[AirPo]

And the winner is ...

Julie Swetnick, who attended Gaithersburg High School in Maryland.

Swetnick says she attended "well over ten" parties where Kavanaugh was present and saw him "drink excessively at many of these parties and engage in abusive and physically aggressive behavior towards girls, including pressing girls against him without their consent, 'grinding' against girls and attempting to remove or shift girls' clothing to expose private body parts. "

 

[redleghunter]

No, that happened in 2012 when Mitt Romney first cited Kavanaugh as a potential nominee to the Supreme Court if he were to win the Presidential election.



President Trump is absolutely correct concerning Avanetti. Avanetti and the allegations he is bringing forward were both scraped from the very bottom of the liberal/Democrat barrel. This is gutter-slime, nothing more.

I know tomorrow is a hearing and not a court of law (even though the sworn statements can be used in a court of law) but all three allegations from three different events have yet to present corroborating evidence. Even the mind blowing Avanetti revelation a few hours ago once again pits "he said, she said."

But I would gather given the sworn testimony Julie Swetnick gave that she witnessed Kavanaugh and Judge spike drinks, arrange for girls to be drugged and participated in gang rape parties would have dozens of eyewitnesses. As such this is the first accusation of felony crimes.

 

[Sistrin]

Just to use your comment from which to pose the quesitons:

But I would gather given the sworn testimony Julie Swetnick gave that she witnessed Kavanaugh and Judge spike drinks, arrange for girls to be drugged and participated in gang rape parties would have dozens of eyewitnesses. As such this is the first accusation of felony crimes.

Does anyone here actually believe that not one of six FBI background checks into Kavanaugh's past would have found this story long before now?

Do any of you here believe the FBI, the same FBI the left has been extolling the virtues of for more than two years now, is actually that incompetent?

The FBI is that bumbling, that inept, that woeful in the pursuit of its duties?

Seriously, which FBI are we talking about here? The FBI which could do no wrong and indeed couldn't even be questioned in regard to their handling of the Clinton e-mail issue? The FBI of Saint Comey the Pious? Or is it the FBI comprised of a bunch of bumbling fools who can investigate one man six times and not find any mention, any discussion, any hint, anyone anywhere ever willing to, you know, mention their knowledge, even if second or third hand, concerning GANG RAPE PARTIES?

These accusations are ludicrous on their face.

 

[redleghunter]

Just to use your comment from which to pose the quesitons:



Does anyone here actually believe that not one of six FBI background checks into Kavanaugh's past would have found this story long before now?

Do any of you here believe the FBI, the same FBI the left has been extolling the virtues of for more than two years now, is actually that incompetent?

The FBI is that bumbling, that inept, that woeful in the pursuit of its duties?

Seriously, which FBI are we talking about here? The FBI which could do no wrong and indeed couldn't even be questioned in regard to their handling of the Clinton e-mail issue? The FBI of Saint Comey the Pious? Or is it the FBI comprised of a bunch of bumbling fools who can investigate one man six times and not find any mention, any discussion, any hint, anyone anywhere ever willing to, you know, mention their knowledge, even if second or third hand, concerning GANG RAPE PARTIES?

These accusations are ludicrous on their face.

I have to agree. This is what I shared with another poster on another BK thread:

Ok, I agree many can be convinced with sheer volume as such can show a trend. I can even in the court of opinion say three separate events geographically and separated by time can be a metric.

Where all three separate accusations stand or fall is on the account given by the women. All three give accounts of the events happening with eyewitnesses in attendance. These were parties. All three admit to some memory gaps or being under the influence of alcohol and or drugs (willingly or unwillingly).

Ford's account a very small group but she identified all who were there and none either remember or say they were not there. The tallywhacker account had a huge frat party attendance, but once again no other witnesses come forward to corroborate the accuser. Now we have Julie Swetnick sign a sworn statement Kavanaugh and Judge participated in felony crimes, yet to date no other eyewitnesses. And none to my knowledge were reported to the proper authorities even after the fact years later.

I ask, what would a court or even DA do with such charges? They would be thrown out.

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[Ringo84]

Hmm....guess it took a little while for the marching orders/talking points to come through.

A good way to figure out what eyewitnesses there might be is to open an investigation. But we all know how committed Republicans are to finding out the truth here.
Ringo

 

[redleghunter]

Hmm....guess it took a little while for the marching orders/talking points to come through.

A good way to figure out what eyewitnesses there might be is to open an investigation. But we all know how committed Republicans are to finding out the truth here.
Ringo

What's interesting is how these various lawyers cannot produce eyewitnesses. As if what they are providing, an accusation, is enough. They should know better. Which leads me to believe they don't have their client's best interests at heart.

Yes Ringo the third accuser blew the lid off with her accusations. In such huge parties I'm sure if she gives testimony she can help lead investigators in the Senate to other witnesses to the crimes and even in committee evidence can be referred to the proper authorities.