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IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

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Again, somehow you think that ONLY what you post is God's WORD. Why?

God's WORD is God's WORD you have it or you do not. You have chosen to ignore the posts and scriptures in them sent to help you. These are God's WORD'S not mine. You are free to believe as you wish. I do not judge you. It is the WORD of GOD that will be our judge come judgement day *JOHN 12:47-48
 
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The prisoner to the old covenant law is trying to explain how I can get free.

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Steve, Jesus says he who commits sin (breaking God's LAW) is the servant of sin (John 8:31-34) Only those who are still in their sins are servants of SIN. Jesus through his WORD wants to free us from sin.

This was posted elswhere, just reposting it here for anyone interested.

GAL 3:23-25 VERSE BY VERSE
..............

[23], But before faith came, we were kept UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

v23, says before faith has come it says we were kept "UNDER THE LAW", shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE "UNDER THE LAW"?

ROMANS 3:19-20 [19], Now we know that WHATSOEVER THINGS THE LAW SAYS, IT SAYS TO THEM WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW: THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: FOR SIN IT THE TRANGRESSION OF THE LAW.

[ANSWER] So to be "UNDER THE LAW" in this case means to be GUILTY BEFORE GOD of breaking the LAW (sin). FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN and this is what God's LAW teaches us. That we are all sinners in need of a Saviour
..............

[24], Therefore the law was our schoolmaster [GREEK παιδαγωγός means tutor; instructor; teacher; schoolmaster] to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

v24 the GREEK word used for your versions rendition of guardian [I do not know how they get that translation]. The KJV is Schoolmaster which is a better translation to the original GREEK word used which is παιδαγωγός which means tutor; instructor; teacher; schoolmaster.

So v24 says that the LAW was our TEACHER, TUTOR, SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ that we might be justified by FAITH.

SO WE ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT DOES THE LAW TEACH US?

We touched on it earlier...

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

[ANSWER] v23 and v24 says being "UNDER THE LAW" means to be guilty before God of SIN. God's LAW is TEACHING US what SIN is. GOD'S LAW teaches us by giving us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. God's LAW shows us that we are all sinners in need of a Savior. THE LAW is our TEACHER, TUTOR, SCHOOLMASTER that teachers us that we are sinners it gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and BRINGS US TO CHRIST that we might be justified by FAITH.

This is the purpose of God's LAW in the Gospel. It teacher us that we are all sinners in need of a Savior that we might be justified by Faith.

* IF there is NO LAW then we have no KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is (NO TEACHER, SCHOOLMASTER)
* IF we have no KNOWLEDGE of SIN we do not KNOW that we are all sinners in need of a Savior.
* IF we have no need of a Savior then we have no Salvation.
* If we have no Salvation then we are all lost because we are still in our sins and the scripture is fulfilled

ROMANS 3:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

So v14 God's LAW is our TEACHER that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and lead us to Christ that we might be justified by FAITH.

..............

[25], But after faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [GREEK παιδαγωγός means tutor; instructor; teacher; schoolmaster]

Final section then we will tie it all together.

v25 NOW when FAITH has COME we are no longer UNDER THE LAW, TEACHER, TUTOR, SCHOOLMASTER

WHEN FAITH IS COME WHY ARE WE NO LOGER "UNDER THE LAW" TEACHER?

[ANSWER] Because the purpose of the LAW is to bring us to show us we are all sinners in need of a Savior. It brings us to Christ that we might be justified by FAITH. When we have FAITH in God's WORD we have FORGIVENESS. We are no longer GUILTY and CONDEMNED by the LAW, THE BLOOD of CHRIST Cleanses US from ALL SIN. No longer being guilty we are no longer UNDER THE LAW BEING CONDEMNED by it.

..............

CONCLUSION: Galatians 3:23-25 does not say God's LAW (10 Commandments) are ABOLISHED. The scriptures say when FAITH has come we are no longer "UNDER THE LAW" as a schoolmaster; teacher or tutor that show us our sins because we have been forgiven our sins by faith in the precious blood of Christ.
 
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Maybe you need to read it slowly? Your question was answered with God's WORD. You asked for the scripture that says doing GOOD in the sabbath is lawful. It was provided to you in MATTHEW 12:12. I guess you did not like the answer.
For the FOURTH TIME I asked for where the law says doing GOOD in the sabbath is lawful. Do you have that, or was I right all along? I think if you had it, you would have posted it by now, therefore, I was right all along.
 
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You did provide two scriptures and none of them said they were different laws. How can God the father and Jesus be one and have different laws? How could Jesus be one with the Father if they had different laws to each other? (John 10:30). Sorry Steve your teaching here does not make any sense and does not agree with Jesus.
Are you claiming that "the law", "God's law", and "Christ's law" are all the same laws? If so, God's WORD does not agree with you.

Are you claiming that the Father's commands and Christ's commands are all the same things? If so, God's WORD does not agree with you.

1 Corinthians 9:21
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.

John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
 
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Grace was given for obedience to the faith. It is not a replacement for anything. It is a demonstration of God's Love as revealed in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. How can you know what what the NEW COVENANT is if you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT is? If you have lost your key how can you open a locked door (John 10:7)?

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

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DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

Hope this helps :wave:
Your opinions do not agree with God's WORD.

John 1:16-17
Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 8:7, 13
For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
 
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We need to be workman correctly dividing the Word of truth. You have been shown through scripture that you choose not to respond to that you leave out context and do not understand the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures which have effected your understanding of the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

If you disagree with any of the scriptures posted to you that disagree with your teaching that God's LAW is abolished you are welcome to reply to these posts. So far you have simply chosen to ignore them.
That's not true.
 
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Yet Jason does it not concern you that the scriptures you used have not been in context and that you are not using your key to unlocking that door to the new (John 10:8)

Of course you are going to say silly things like....

"the Scriptures I used are not in context," etc.​

However, making such statements does not mean you are right in any way.
Your Sabbath gospel is all smoke and mirrors (that really is no gospel at all).
In fact, you ignored the definition in the dictionary on the word "ceremony" to ignore the fact that the Sabbath is a ceremony or ceremonial law or ordinance.
That's pretty bad that you would go to such lengths to ignore what the dictionary says to defend your belief.
Not playing your game anymore.
What I said with Scripture stands all on it's own and needs no defending (even though I did use God's Word to demolish your belief several times over). You simply do not want to see the truth of what God's Word says. You want to put a yolk of bondage upon other believers by getting them to go back the Mosaic Law.

But Jesus says His yoke (burden) is easy and it is light.
 
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Your a funny one Steve :), I do not think you read my posts to you. No I already told you that I spent a lot of time in WORD writing those posts. Once complete they were all ready for posting into CF. I did not write then in CF, I only posted them. Not hard to understand.
Earlier you were claiming to have done them "on the fly". You denied copy/paste from a database. Maybe you don't know what a database is. I would consider your archive in WORD a database.
 
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Steve, Jesus says he who commits sin (breaking God's LAW) is the servant of sin (John 8:31-34) Only those who are still in their sins are servants of SIN. Jesus through his WORD wants to free us from sin.

This was posted elswhere, just reposting it here for anyone interested.

GAL 3:23-25 VERSE BY VERSE
..............

[23], But before faith came, we were kept UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

v23, says before faith has come it says we were kept "UNDER THE LAW", shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE "UNDER THE LAW"?

ROMANS 3:19-20 [19], Now we know that WHATSOEVER THINGS THE LAW SAYS, IT SAYS TO THEM WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW: THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: FOR SIN IT THE TRANGRESSION OF THE LAW.

[ANSWER] So to be "UNDER THE LAW" in this case means to be GUILTY BEFORE GOD of breaking the LAW (sin). FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN and this is what God's LAW teaches us. That we are all sinners in need of a Saviour
..............

[24], Therefore the law was our schoolmaster [GREEK παιδαγωγός means tutor; instructor; teacher; schoolmaster] to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

v24 the GREEK word used for your versions rendition of guardian [I do not know how they get that translation]. The KJV is Schoolmaster which is a better translation to the original GREEK word used which is παιδαγωγός which means tutor; instructor; teacher; schoolmaster.

So v24 says that the LAW was our TEACHER, TUTOR, SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ that we might be justified by FAITH.

SO WE ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT DOES THE LAW TEACH US?

We touched on it earlier...

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

[ANSWER] v23 and v24 says being "UNDER THE LAW" means to be guilty before God of SIN. God's LAW is TEACHING US what SIN is. GOD'S LAW teaches us by giving us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. God's LAW shows us that we are all sinners in need of a Savior. THE LAW is our TEACHER, TUTOR, SCHOOLMASTER that teachers us that we are sinners it gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and BRINGS US TO CHRIST that we might be justified by FAITH.

This is the purpose of God's LAW in the Gospel. It teacher us that we are all sinners in need of a Savior that we might be justified by Faith.

* IF there is NO LAW then we have no KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is (NO TEACHER, SCHOOLMASTER)
* IF we have no KNOWLEDGE of SIN we do not KNOW that we are all sinners in need of a Savior.
* IF we have no need of a Savior then we have no Salvation.
* If we have no Salvation then we are all lost because we are still in our sins and the scripture is fulfilled

ROMANS 3:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

So v14 God's LAW is our TEACHER that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and lead us to Christ that we might be justified by FAITH.

..............

[25], But after faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [GREEK παιδαγωγός means tutor; instructor; teacher; schoolmaster]

Final section then we will tie it all together.

v25 NOW when FAITH has COME we are no longer UNDER THE LAW, TEACHER, TUTOR, SCHOOLMASTER

WHEN FAITH IS COME WHY ARE WE NO LOGER "UNDER THE LAW" TEACHER?

[ANSWER] Because the purpose of the LAW is to bring us to show us we are all sinners in need of a Savior. It brings us to Christ that we might be justified by FAITH. When we have FAITH in God's WORD we have FORGIVENESS. We are no longer GUILTY and CONDEMNED by the LAW, THE BLOOD of CHRIST Cleanses US from ALL SIN. No longer being guilty we are no longer UNDER THE LAW BEING CONDEMNED by it.

..............

CONCLUSION: Galatians 3:23-25 does not say God's LAW (10 Commandments) are ABOLISHED. The scriptures say when FAITH has come we are no longer "UNDER THE LAW" as a schoolmaster; teacher or tutor that show us our sins because we have been forgiven our sins by faith in the precious blood of Christ.
We are no longer under a guardian. (the law)

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
 
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For the FOURTH TIME I asked for where the law says doing GOOD in the sabbath is lawful. Do you have that, or was I right all along? I think if you had it, you would have posted it by now, therefore, I was right all along.

Hi Steve, doing GOOD on the SABBATH is part of your duty of LOVE to GOD and MAN (Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18) Jesus is the LORD of the SABBATH our creator who made it for mankind (Mark 2:27-28). He is the one who said it is LAWFUL to do Good on the SABBATH (MATTHEW 12:12). Seems you do not like the answer but it's God's WORD not mine.
 
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Are you claiming that "the law", "God's law", and "Christ's law" are all the same laws? If so, God's WORD does not agree with you.

Sorry Steven God's WORD disagrees with you. You have provided no scripture that says God's the father has different laws to Jesus. If he did how can they be one? The house would then be divided and fall.

JOHN 10:30 [30], I and my Father are one.
MARK 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

Hope this helps:wave:
 
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Your opinions do not agree with God's WORD.

John 1:16-17
Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 8:7, 13
For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Sorry Steve, it is God's WORD not mine and it disagrees with you. The scriptures you have provided do not address the post you are responding to.
 
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Of course you are going to say silly things like....
"the Scriptures I used are not in context," etc.​

Hello Jason, it was not my words that has proven that the scriptures you posted were not in context it was God's WORD shown in;

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Each one of the posts linked above went through your posts section by section and scripture by scripture showing the context you left out of your interpreation of God's WORD. You simply choose to ignore the scriptures that disagree with your teaching. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it magically disappear. We will all be judged by it come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48

Now Jason for someone that does not want to talk about it anymore you seem to have changed your mind. Did you want to discuss the scriptures that disagree with you now from the linked posts above?

Hope this helps :wave:
 
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Earlier you were claiming to have done them "on the fly". You denied copy/paste from a database. Maybe you don't know what a database is. I would consider your archive in WORD a database.

Not really Steve, I do not use a database and as I told you earlier it took me some time to do those posts in MS WORD then when I finished them I simply posted them directly into CF when ready. Not sure what your problem is and how you cannot understand this. You seem to be more focused on the process rather then the scriptures posted.
 
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We are no longer under a guardian. (the law)

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

If you have been forgiven for your sins you are free to walk in God's Spirit (Romans 8:1-4). Only those who are continuing in sin (breaking God's commandments) are "UNDER THE LAW" because they have broken it and stand guilty before God in sin (Romans 3:19-20). Those that CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin however will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN (Hebrews 10:26-27).

Yep not looking to good for some come judgment day.
 
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Hello Jason, it was not my words that has proven that the scriptures you posted were not in context it was God's WORD shown in;

*Post # 199 linked click me
*Post # 200 linked click me
*Post # 219 linked click me
*Post # 486 linked click me
*Post # 487 linked click me
*Post # 511 linked click me
*Post # 561 linked click me
*Post # 562 linked click me
*Post # 563 linked click me

Each one of the posts linked above went through your posts section by section and scripture by scripture showing the context you left out of your interpreation of God's WORD. You simply chose to ignore the scriptures that disagree with your teaching. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it magically disappear. We will all be judged by it come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48

Now Jason for someone that does not want to talk about it anymore you seem to have changed your mind. Did you want to discuss the scriptures that disagree with you now from the linked posts above?

Hope this helps :wave:

Still does not prove anything but the fact that you have a database of false information.

Oh, and no.
What you said doesn't help me to see that you are right.
All I see is you denying what Scripture plainly says.
You are going back to the Mosaic Law to be justified.
Paul says we are not under the Law.
You either believe him or you don't believe him.
 
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Still does not prove anything but the fact that you have a database of false information.
Sorry my friend I have no database. I spent a lot of time looking at all your posts section by section and scripture by scriptures and looking at the context you left out. Happy to discuss them further if you want. You seem like you still wish to discuss them. If you do not it is ok as well. Maybe you can prayerfully read them in your own time. God's WORD is not false information but the truth and we should believe and follow it (Romans 3:4).
 
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I think some of us are missing the point entirely regarding the Shabbat in particular. I am convinced that the Shabbat we are commanded to observe is our Shabbat rest in Messiah.

Colossians 2:16-17 (ISV) Therefore, let no one judge you in matters of food and drink or with respect to a festival, a New Moon, or Sabbath days. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Messiah.

Hebrews 4:9-10 (ISV) There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God to keep, 10 because the one who enters God’s rest has himself rested from his own actions, just as God did from his.

I have read some SDA theologians that say specifically that the first passage is indeed referring to the 7th day Shabbat and not ceremonial ones. So they are in agreement with me on that one.

By focusing on the Shabbat as a particular day, it is easy for one to lose focus on what our Shabbat rest is... the Messiah. Our Shabbat rest is in Him. To think otherwise borders on a works righteousness theology which is counter to the Gospel of Messiah.

This is why even mentioning an observance of Shabbat as a weekly observance is conspicuously absent from the scripture instruction given by the Apostles. Even the Jerusalem council headed by James, the Messiah's brother, in their ruling on what the new Gentile believers should observe, the Shabbat is not mentioned. Not that it was assumed that the reader would automatically observe a 7th day Shabbat, but because they understood as did Paul that our Shabbat is in the Messiah.

I am sure that some will disagree, and that is fine. I have no bone against anyone who wants to observe a literal 7th day Shabbat. Only when they border on making it a condition on true obedience, then we will not agree.
 
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I think some of us are missing the point entirely regarding the Shabbat in particular. I am convinced that the Shabbat we are commanded to observe is our Shabbat rest in Messiah.

Colossians 2:16-17 (ISV) Therefore, let no one judge you in matters of food and drink or with respect to a festival, a New Moon, or Sabbath days. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Messiah.

Hebrews 4:9-10 (ISV) There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God to keep, 10 because the one who enters God’s rest has himself rested from his own actions, just as God did from his.

I have read some SDA theologians that say specifically that the first passage is indeed referring to the 7th day Shabbat and not ceremonial ones. So they are in agreement with me on that one.

By focusing on the Shabbat as a particular day, it is easy for one to lose focus on what our Shabbat rest is... the Messiah. Our Shabbat rest is in Him. To think otherwise borders on a works righteousness theology which is counter to the Gospel of Messiah.

This is why even mentioning an observance of Shabbat as a weekly observance is conspicuously absent from the scripture instruction given by the Apostles. Even the Jerusalem council headed by James, the Messiah's brother, in their ruling on what the new Gentile believers should observe, the Shabbat is not mentioned. Not that it was assumed that the reader would automatically observe a 7th day Shabbat, but because they understood as did Paul that our Shabbat is in the Messiah.

I am sure that some will disagree, and that is fine. I have no bone against anyone who wants to observe a literal 7th day Shabbat. Only when they border on making it a condition of really obeying the Lord, then we will not agree.

Hi Copper thanks for sharing your thoughts here. Yes I think some do disagree.

Let's look at the passage in some detail through the scriptures linking NEW AND OLD TESTAMENT scriptures to see what Paul is talking about knowing that the bible in PAULS day was the OLD TESTAMENT. It is the OLD TESTAMENT that is the KEY through God's Spirit that unlocks the meaning of the NEW TESTAMENT... (posted earlier 1/2 on COL 2)

COL 2:11-17 CHAPTER CONTEXT

11, In whom also you are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12, Buried with him in baptism, in which also you are risen with him through the faith of the working of God, who has raised him from the dead.
13, And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he made alive together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14, Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15, And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16, Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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CHAPTER CONTEXT OF COL 2:14 AND SUBJECT MATTER (COL 2:11-17)


V11. Shadows of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing to CIRCUMCISION of the HEART MADE WITHOUT HANDS by the CIRCUMCISION of Christ.

Foretold in the OLD TESTAMENT….

DEUTERONOMY 10 [16] Circumcise therefore THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

DEUTERONOMY 30 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

JEREMIAH 4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.

1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…

HEBREWS 8 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

CONCLUSION; The CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION is a Shadow law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT pointing to a NEW HEART to LOVE and OBEY GOD in the NEW COVENANT

The SHADOW laws of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant are the within CHAPTER CONTEXT BEFORE COL 2:14

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COL 2:14 SCRIPTURE SUBJECT MATTER AND CONTENT.

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4, Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE

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, “BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφωexaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase>the “HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφονcheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “ORDINANCES” < G1378 δόγμαdogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means; ORDINANCE; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL laws>that was against us, WHICH WERE AGAINST , and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

V14 Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.
The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA meaning THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant

This scripture cannot be referring to the abolishing of the 10 commandments of God’s LAW as God’s 10 Commandments are not ORDINANCES and they are not written in a MANUSCRIPT they are written on two tables of stone (Exodus 31:18). Also the chapter CONTEXT is in reference to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION once again from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. These were all SHADOWS ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCES OF v17 pointing to Christ and the plan of SALVATION.

ORDINANCES that were against us is referring to the also referring to the PENALTY of SIN (breaking God’s Commandments and the ORDINANCES of curses written once again in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this Book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 30:19 [19] For GOD has said, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, BLESSINGS AND CURSES: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest OBEY his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

(See the list of ORDINACES for curses of breaking Gods’ Law in DEUTERONOMY 28:15-68)

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CONCLUSION;
COL 2:14 is talking about the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant which are SHADOW laws pointing to Jesus and God’s plan of SALVATION. This is supported also by the within CHAPTER CONTEXT and SUBJECT matter of v16 which are all CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOCAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not referring to ABOLISHING God’s 10 Commandments.

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WHAT IS PAUL TALKING ABOUT IN COL 2:16-17? (linking the OLD to the NEW)

Col 2:16-17, Let no man therefore judge you in (1) meat, or in drink, or in respect of an (2) feastival, or of the (3) new moon, or of the (4) sabbath day{s} plural: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul referring to from the OLD TESTAMENT?

EZEKIEL 45:17-21, It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the (1) burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the (2) feasts, the (3) new moons, and the (4) Sabbath{s}, at all the appointed (2) feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erred, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a Feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

1 CHRONICLES 23:31 and whenever (1) burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moon (2) feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.

2 CHRONICLES 2:4 [4] Now I am about to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God and to dedicate it to him for burning fragrant incense before him, for setting out the consecrated bread regularly, and for making (1) burnt offerings every morning and evening and on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moons and at the appointed (2) festivals of the LORD our God. This is a lasting ordinance for Israel.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will stop all her celebrations: her (2) yearly festivals, her (3) New Moons, her (4) Sabbaths and all her (2) appointed festivals.

It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek Word used in Col 2:16 is Sabbaton simply means to cease from secular work; rest.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals as well as the Holy convocations (Sabbaton to cease from work and rest) could fall on any day of the week depending on the year the festival was starting. The Holy convocations were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days (not to be confused with God’s commandment) and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

A High Sabbath day however was when a Holy convocation [annual feast day] falls on the same day as God’s weekly Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11). This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

All of the above have their origin from the ceremonial laws of the book of Moses found in Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29. All these references are in connection to; (1) Food and Drink offerings, (2) Feast days, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast Sabbath(s)

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CONCLUSION: So in summary, it should be very clear that Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses along with the annual Jewish feast days that all pointed to the coming of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross the Jewish feasts along with the burnt offerings, food and drink offerings, festivals and New Moon festival Sabbath(s) which all pointed to Jesus where a shadow of things to come. Many of the feast days (holy convocations) in Lev 23 where no work days in the Greek Col 2:16 were Sabbaton cease from secular work and rest.

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As for HEBREWS 4?

HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 are talking about the Gospel and the keeping of God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD. "There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God. Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief" v9-11. HEBREWS 4 supports the keeping of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH by believing and following the Word of God.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”v 1-4 is the context of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH confirmed in v9-11.

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HEBREWS 4 is talking about GOD'S REST [The SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] none enter into it without believing and following the Gospel.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother copper.

Hope this helps :wave:
 
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