Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

[DaDad]

Here's a Scriptural precedent for Daniel 9's weeks:
Genesis 11:16 YLT
And Eber liveth four and thirty years,

The purported "seven and sixty-two" is NOT: a week and a half; a dollar and a quarter; four score and ten; a three and a half tablespoons; or "four and thirty" -- which is to say thirty four.

Seven and sixty-two are both non incremental numbers. So if please let me know when you find a ~pair of shoes which cost seven and sixty-two dollars plus tax.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[BABerean2]

The purported "seven and sixty-two" is NOT: a week and a half; a dollar and a quarter; four score and ten; a three and a half tablespoons; or "four and thirty" -- which is to say thirty four.

Seven and sixty-two are both non incremental numbers. So if please let me know when you find a ~pair of shoes which cost seven and sixty-two dollars plus tax.

Thanks,
DaDad

Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

.

 

[jgr]

The purported "seven and sixty-two" is NOT: a week and a half; a dollar and a quarter; four score and ten; a three and a half tablespoons; or "four and thirty" -- which is to say thirty four.

Seven and sixty-two are both non incremental numbers. So if please let me know when you find a ~pair of shoes which cost seven and sixty-two dollars plus tax.

Thanks,
DaDad

"Four and thirty years" is grammatically similar to "seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks".

Both appear legitimately in Scripture.

All of the numbers are integers. What are "non incremental numbers"? Google doesn't have an answer.

 

[DaDad]

"Four and thirty years" is grammatically similar to "seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks".

Both appear legitimately in Scripture.

All of the numbers are integers. What are "non incremental numbers"? Google doesn't have an answer.

"Incremental" means standard units, typical of: distance (mile and a quarter); weight (pound and a half); height (5'13" -- as used in a Beauty Pageant); cost (forty-two dollars); etc.

And because you don't have a precedent for your defense of the purported "seven and sixty-two", you pretend that you need a better explanation for your FALSE text. In fact, the only thing you need is to correct your intellectual dishonesty.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[jgr]

"Incremental" means standard units, typical of: distance (mile and a quarter); weight (pound and a half); height (5'13" -- as used in a Beauty Pageant); cost (forty-two dollars); etc.

And because you don't have a precedent for your defense of the purported "seven and sixty-two", you pretend that you need a better explanation for your FALSE text. In fact, the only thing you need is to correct your intellectual dishonesty.

Thanks,
DaDad

Here is the definition of incremental. It bears no resemblance to your definition, nor relevance to the discussion.

Meanwhile, the Scriptures bear accurate witness to themselves.

 

[Erik Nelson]

"Four and thirty years" is grammatically similar to "seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks".

Both appear legitimately in Scripture.

All of the numbers are integers. What are "non incremental numbers"? Google doesn't have an answer.

"4 Score and 7 years ago...
Our forefathers..."

 

[Erik Nelson]

Jesus was the Messiah of the 69th week. Equals Daniel's 9 verse 26.

Titus son of Vespasian. Was the Messiah of Daniel 9 verse 27. The Crucifixion obviously fulfilled verse 26. Jesus warned everyone in the Olivet Discourse. that that generation would not pass until Daniel 9 verse, 27 was fulfilled it was fulfilled in 70 ad

at the end of the day. Jesus came as a king of peace and was rejected in Jerusalem. They wanted. A king of Kings and Lord of Lords, as a conquering figure. As Josephus Records, about their star prophecy.

Jesus was rejected because he was too peaceful. Ultimately. A conquering King. Was welcomed into Jerusalem In the form of Titus. Son of Vespasian.

What Jerusalem was wishing for they got.

"Be careful what you wish for"

EVEN if you are Hebrew. Having special spiritual status before God in heaven.

So much more if you are a Gentile.

 

[BABerean2]

Titus son of Vespasian. Was the Messiah of Daniel 9 verse 27.

Do you think the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant?

Is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27, the covenant with many in Matthew 26:28?

Do we find the summary of Daniel 9:24 fulfilled by Christ in Acts of the Apostles 10:38, and Hebrews 10:16-18?

.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Do you think the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant?

Is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27, the covenant with many in Matthew 26:28?

Do we find the summary of Daniel 9:24 fulfilled by Christ in Acts of the Apostles 10:38, and Hebrews 10:16-18?

.

Do you think Jesus's first few followers came and destroyed Jerusalem?

It's the second anti. Prince the second Anti Messiah, who confirms a covenant with many during the the final 70th divided week. Halfway through the week, the temple is destroyed and sacrifices stop. Such is a perfect description of the 70 year Jewish Roman war. From 66 to 73 aD halfway through which Titus sacked the city.

There are clearly to Messiah figures. First a figure of Peace, who is cut off, and has nothing.

second one of war and destruction who comes in sacks, the city. Jesus obviously fulfills the first. Titus Vespasian and or perhaps the Zealot leaders of the. Jewish rebels. Fit the second bill.

 

[BABerean2]

Do you think Jesus's first few followers came and destroyed Jerusalem?

It's the second anti. Prince the second Anti Messiah, who confirms a covenant with many during the the final 70th divided week. Halfway through the week, the temple is destroyed and sacrifices stop. Such is a perfect description of the 70 year Jewish Roman war. From 66 to 73 aD halfway through which Titus sacked the city.

There are clearly to Messiah figures. First a figure of Peace, who is cut off, and has nothing.

second one of war and destruction who comes in sacks, the city. Jesus obviously fulfills the first. Titus Vespasian and or perhaps the Zealot leaders of the. Jewish rebels. Fit the second bill.

No. God allowed the Romans to destroy the city in the same way that He allowed the Babylonians to destroy the city before.
Jesus predicted this destruction in Luke 19:41-44, but He did not mention a covenant in connection with that destruction.

We find the New Covenant fulfilled by Christ in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Can you show us your covenant confirmed by Titus in the Bible?

.

 

[FredVB]

It seems that Yahweh revealed an open-ended prophecy, though Yahweh knows how all things turn out. But people have open opportunities for how things can result. In this case had the people who had the witness of the promised Messiah all received him, with him being Lord, the weeks would have been continuous and all would have been accomplished to fulfill what was said for the "seventy weeks" of years. But with his rejection the final time is put off for the witness of Christ to go to all peoples on the earth. Then the witness would return to the people of Israel still there, with the final things of the prophecy being fulfilled to finalize the "seventy weeks".

 

[DaDad]

"4 Score and 7 years ago...
Our forefathers..."

Here is the definition of incremental. It bears no resemblance to your definition, nor relevance to the discussion.

Meanwhile, the Scriptures bear accurate witness to themselves.

Standard units, typical of: distance (mile and a quarter); weight (pound and a half); height (5'13" -- as used in a Beauty Pageant); cost (forty and two dollars / forty-two dollars); etc.

So PLEASE PROVIDE A PRECEDENT for your purported "seven and sixty-two", where a ~pair of shoes cost seven and sixty-two dollars plus tax~. versus the sixty-nine dollars plus tax which is a LEGITIMATE numbering method.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[Erik Nelson]

No. God allowed the Romans to destroy the city in the same way that He allowed the Babylonians to destroy the city before.
Jesus predicted this destruction in Luke 19:41-44, but He did not mention a covenant in connection with that destruction.

We find the New Covenant fulfilled by Christ in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Can you show us your covenant confirmed by Titus in the Bible?

.

The New Covenant of Jesus is eternal, not just one week, not just 7 years, but eternal

verse 27 deals with an anti Prince and Anti Messiah and an anti covenant. It could very well applied to the Anti Messias, who led the Jewish 7 year rebellion against Rome. Halfway through which the temple was destroyed because of their mis-leadership and mis-stewardship. Did you issue false Messiah claimants made covenants with many throughout the global Jewish diaspora community? In order. To facilitate their rebellion

everything in verse 27 years inverted applying to Anti Messias Anti, Prince is anti leaders and their anti covenants.

 

[DaDad]

"4 Score and 7 years ago...
Our forefathers..."

... sixty and nine; mile and a quarter; 7 lbs, 6 oz; -- but NOT ~seven and sixty-two~.



To All,
Is actually funny that so many christians struggle with Biblical Prophecies, primarily starting with the Book of Daniel. And is it any wonder? They refuse to obey the angelic "end time" instructions, and then can't figure out why nothing works out. Oh sure, they'll tell you ~everything is fine~, but the closer you look, both the Scriptures and History FAIL.

Perhaps they should have obeyed the angel,
Thanks,
DaDad

 

[Erik Nelson]

The purported "seven and sixty-two" is NOT: a week and a half; a dollar and a quarter; four score and ten; a three and a half tablespoons; or "four and thirty" -- which is to say thirty four.

Seven and sixty-two are both non incremental numbers. So if please let me know when you find a ~pair of shoes which cost seven and sixty-two dollars plus tax.

Thanks,
DaDad

Standard units, typical of: distance (mile and a quarter); weight (pound and a half); height (5'13" -- as used in a Beauty Pageant); cost (forty and two dollars / forty-two dollars); etc.

So PLEASE PROVIDE A PRECEDENT for your purported "seven and sixty-two", where a ~pair of shoes cost seven and sixty-two dollars plus tax~. versus the sixty-nine dollars plus tax which is a LEGITIMATE numbering method.

Thanks,
DaDad

I honestly don't understand your question.

For poetic purposes, people often break up numbers into sums of other numbers that sound more appropriate for their purposes. Abraham Lincoln spoke poetically into Gettysburg Address say 4 score, and 7 years ago, instead of simply 87 years ago.

Likewise, the Biblical text also apparently states the 69 years as 7 + 62.

 

[BABerean2]

The New Covenant of Jesus is eternal, not just one week, not just 7 years, but eternal

You are correct, the New Covenant is eternal.

The text of Daniel 9 says the covenant is "confirmed" for a period of time.
It says nothing about how long the covenant lasts.
If you have a contract with someone to build a house, he may meet with you for a period of time to confirm the details of the contract. That confirmation time is not the length of the contract.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, was the covenant confirmed "first" with Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles?

............................

From the 1599 Geneva Bible

Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

.

 

[DaDad]

For poetic purposes, people often break up numbers into sums of other numbers that sound more appropriate for their purposes.

Yeah, so long as it's in appropriate increments typical of: four score and ten; a dozen and a half; a cup and a quarter; a mile and a tenth.

Biblical text also apparently states the 69 years as 7 + 62.

INCORRECT. This is a distortion of Scripture by the translators who turned commentators, because they thought the prophecy was for Jesus. But this passage has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Jesus. It has to do with two others, -- one who is "coming" at the seven (NOT WEEKS), and the one was is assassinated after the sixty-two (NOT WEEKS).

Therefore, you'll need to use the RSV or MSG, or other translation to find a CORRECT rendition of GOD's actual intent.

PLEASE PROVIDE A PRECEDENT for the purported "seven and sixty-two", where a ~pair of shoes cost seven and sixty-two dollars plus tax~. versus the sixty-nine dollars plus tax which is a LEGITIMATE numbering method.​

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[DaDad]

... the "seventy weeks".

There are NO SEVENTY "WEEKS". If the AUTHOR had intended to use the concise Feminine Gender text, HE would have used that text. But, as it turns out, the AUTHOR used the INCONCISE Masculine Gender text.

In analogy, you don't need a hat, coat, and gloves to go for a ride in a "cool" car.

Thus the ONLY conclusion which is readily known is that 70 ≠ 490. The 70 can be ANY number, EXCEPT 490.

Have you considered obeying the angelic instructions in 12:4 & 9? Maybe, just maybe, the Prophecies ARE "shut up and sealed until the time of the end". Whoda thunk?

DaDad

 

[keras]

Have you considered obeying the angelic instructions in 12:4 & 9? Maybe, just maybe, the Prophecies ARE "shut up and sealed until the time of the end". Whoda thunk?

Then Daniel 12:10 says; a few wise leaders WILL understand.

Re the 70th week, there is no clear scripture saying it follows immediately after the 69th, or comes at a later time. Jesus being 'cut off' marks the end of the 69th.
So we must get further information elsewhere in scripture. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is informative and Revelation confirms the prophesies of Daniel about a strong world leader in the last days.

Just the fact of there having been nearly 2000 years since Jesus was 'cut off' and our world is ripe for Judgement, is enough for us to be sure that the final fulfilment of the end time prophesies is imminent.

 

[BABerean2]

Re the 70th week, there is no clear scripture saying it follows immediately after the 69th, or comes at a later time. Jesus being 'cut off' marks the end of the 69th.

There is no scripture, clear or otherwise, indicating a "gap" in the 490 year prophecy.

There is no antecedent for an antichrist in the text of Daniel 9.

However, we do have New Testament texts which say Christ fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:22-24.

He confirmed the New Covenant when He was "cut off" after 3 1/2 years of ministry, which began with His baptism, and an announcement from God.

The summary of Daniel 9:24 is found fulfilled in Acts of the Apostles 10:38, and Hebrews 10:16-18.

The New Covenant was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles, based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18.

Based on Luke 21:24-28, and Romans 11:25, we are now in "the times of the Gentiles".
This time period will continue until the Second Coming of Christ.

.