Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

[jgr]

Then Daniel 12:10 says; a few wise leaders WILL understand.

Re the 70th week, there is no clear scripture saying it follows immediately after the 69th, or comes at a later time. Jesus being 'cut off' marks the end of the 69th.
So we must get further information elsewhere in scripture. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is informative and Revelation confirms the prophesies of Daniel about a strong world leader in the last days.

Just the fact of there having been nearly 2000 years since Jesus was 'cut off' and our world is ripe for Judgement, is enough for us to be sure that the final fulfilment of the end time prophesies is imminent.

Read our Bro. Christian Gedge's excellent research to get the weeks and dates correct.

 

[Erik Nelson]

You are correct, the New Covenant is eternal.

The text of Daniel 9 says the covenant is "confirmed" for a period of time.
It says nothing about how long the covenant lasts.
If you have a contract with someone to build a house, he may meet with you for a period of time to confirm the details of the contract. That confirmation time is not the length of the contract.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, was the covenant confirmed "first" with Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles?

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From the 1599 Geneva Bible

Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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well, for sake of argument...

what if the final 70th week...

was 70 years long...

Crucifixion + 35 years = Jewish war

Crucifixion + 70 years = end of prophesy, completion of NT with John the beloved Apostle, Gospel has already reached all of Eurasia and northern Africa

 

[keras]

Read our Bro. Christian Gedge's excellent research to get the weeks and dates correct.

I do respect our Brother in Christ, but I cannot reconcile his timeline with the time periods as given in the Bible.
I too have spent a lot of effort on a carefully prepared timeline. I have posted it on this forum, but because it means that there is soon to happen a dramatic change to our world, then it gets ignored and rejected.
Not long now and all will be revealed. THEN the eyes will be opened and the ears unstopped. Isaiah 35:4-5, +

 

[BABerean2]

well, for sake of argument...

what if the final 70th week...

was 70 years long...

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[BABerean2]

well, for sake of argument...

what if the final 70th week...

was 70 years long...

Is there some reason you do not want to use the scriptures found in the Bible to reveal that Christ is the focus of the 70 weeks prophecy, from Daniel chapter 9?


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[BABerean2]

well, for sake of argument...

what if the final 70th week...

was 70 years long...

Is there some reason you do not want to use the scriptures found in the Bible to reveal that Christ is the focus of the 70 weeks prophecy, from Daniel chapter 9?


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[Erik Nelson]

Is there some reason you do not want to use the scriptures found in the Bible to reveal that Christ is the focus of the 70 weeks prophecy, from Daniel chapter 9?


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is there some way you can construe Christ as...

"The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out"

Christ set up an abomination?!?

 

[Erik Nelson]

Is there some reason you do not want to use the scriptures found in the Bible to reveal that Christ is the focus of the 70 weeks prophecy, from Daniel chapter 9?


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is there some way you can construe Christ as...

"The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out"

Christ set up an abomination?!?

 

[Erik Nelson]

Is there some reason you do not want to use the scriptures found in the Bible to reveal that Christ is the focus of the 70 weeks prophecy, from Daniel chapter 9?


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is there some way you can construe Christ as...

"The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out"

Christ set up an abomination?!?

 

[Erik Nelson]

Is there some reason you do not want to use the scriptures found in the Bible to reveal that Christ is the focus of the 70 weeks prophecy, from Daniel chapter 9?


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is there some way you can construe Christ as...

"The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out"

Christ set up an abomination?!?

 

[BABerean2]

is there some way you can construe Christ as...

"The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out"

Christ set up an abomination?!?

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Which translation are you using?

Is there some way you can explain how your version is so much different from the KJV?

It would appear that the translation you are using is attempting to provide an antecedent for an antichrist, not found in the text.

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[Erik Nelson]

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Which translation are you using?

Is there some way you can explain how your version is so much different from the KJV?

It would appear that the translation you are using is attempting to provide an antecedent for an antichrist, not found in the text.

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NASB?

26 Then after the sixty-two weeks the [aa]Messiah will be cut off and have [ab]nothing,

= Crucifixion 30 AD, yes??


and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And [ac]its end will come with a flood; even to the end [ad]there will be war; desolations are determined.

= 70 AD, Luke 21:20-24, yes?


27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering;

= divided week of Revelation, Armageddon of Babylon, Revelation 18


and on the wing of [ae]abominations will come one who [af]makes desolate, even until a complete destruction,

= Titus, Abaddon Apollyon of Revelation


even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who [ag]makes desolate.”

= subsequent defeat of the Beast, Revelation 19

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I do respect our Brother in Christ, but I cannot reconcile his timeline with the time periods as given in the Bible.......
Not long now and all will be revealed. THEN the eyes will be opened and the ears unstopped. Isaiah 35:4-5, +

May that happen soon...........

Matthew 13:15
For the heart of this people hath become dense, and with their ears heavily have they heard, and their eyes have they closed,--lest once they should see with their eyes, and with their ear should hear,
and with their hearts should understand and return, when I would certainly heal them. [Isaiah 6:9, 10]

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus

John 9:39
39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
40 Then [some] of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?"
41 Jesus said to them, "If ye were blind, you would have no sin;
but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains.

Matthew 15:14
Leave them; they are blind guides.[fn]
If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

Remedy:

Revelation 3:18
“I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed;
and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

 

[BABerean2]

27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering;

= divided week of Revelation, Armageddon of Babylon, Revelation 18

Double

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[BABerean2]

27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering;

= divided week of Revelation, Armageddon of Babylon, Revelation 18

Where is there anything in Revelation 18 about sacrifices being stopped in the middle of the week?

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[Erik Nelson]

Where is there anything in Revelation 18 about sacrifices being stopped in the middle of the week?

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no no I was just summarizing, final destruction of Babylon occurs in Revelation 18

 

[Erik Nelson]

Where is there anything in Revelation 18 about sacrifices being stopped in the middle of the week?

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no no I was just summarizing, final destruction of Babylon occurs in Revelation 18

 

[Erik Nelson]

Where is there anything in Revelation 18 about sacrifices being stopped in the middle of the week?

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no no I was just summarizing, final destruction of Babylon occurs in Revelation 18

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do not hit "post reply" button twice or more or it may double post....

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/posting-is-taking-a-long-time.8079739/#post-73128212
Posting is taking a long time

This system problem is back. It has happened before. It takes a long time to post a comment. When you press "Post Reply" the spinner just keeps spinning. Eventually I have to refresh the screen by pressing F5, and then it shows the comment as posted. Prior to this, or if I open the thread in another window, it shows a pending post that is greyed-out (showing the draft).

The result is that people are getting impatient and pressing "Post Reply" again, and duplicating their post. I just did it, and it lost part of my post, and I'm having to retype it.

Is this a known issue, and is someone working to resolve it?
TD

You see? it just happened to me. It looked like I lost part of the post, so I retyped the end of it and pressed "Create Thread" again, and now it is duplicated. So then, pressing F5 doesn't resolve it. It appears that the window has to be closed, and another window opened in order to see that the post has been posted. It is frustrating.
TD

 

[eleos1954]

Per that translation, as to verse 27, it makes it clear that the 'he' who causeth the sacrifice and present to cease, is the same one who by the wing of abominations is making desolate. If that translation doesn't prove a gap, what does it prove? Does it prove the he meant in that verse is meaning Christ? I don't see how since the part about by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, couldn't possibly fit Christ.

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No Gaps. History is continuous ... History does not have gaps.

Year Day principle:

Prophecies are couched in symbolic language that needs to be unraveled before the meaning of the words can be understood. Prophetic time is used as a symbol to be interpreted in the light of Scripture.

According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, for each day you shall bear your guilt one year, namely forty years (Numbers 14:34 NKJV).

I have appointed thee each day for a year (Ezekiel 4:6).

These two texts provide the key—the day-year principle. This principle takes prophetic days and converts them to actual years. Applying this principle to the 70-week prophecy will show that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah.

 

[BABerean2]

Do not hit "post reply" button twice or more or it may double post....

Either my computer is acting up this morning, or the forum's computer is acting up.

Sorry for the double posts...
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[BABerean2]

Do not hit "post reply" button twice or more or it may double post....

Either my computer is acting up this morning, or the forum's computer is acting up.

Sorry for the double posts...
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[jgr]

is there some way you can construe Christ as...

"The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out"

Christ set up an abomination?!?

The YLT is the most literally accurate:

Daniel 9
27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and [in] the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

"He" is Messiah the prince, who used the Roman armies (abominations to the Jews) as His agents of destruction and desolation.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The YLT is the most literally accurate:

Daniel 9
27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and [in] the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

"He" is Messiah the prince, who used the Roman armies (abominations to the Jews) as His agents of destruction and desolation.

YLT appears to be close to Rotherham's in relation to literalness.

He uses the word "astoundeth", which is also another meaning of the word......:

8074 shamem shaw-mame' a primitive root; to stun (or intransitively, grow numb), i.e. devastate or (figuratively) stupefy (both usually in a passive sense):--make amazed, be astonied, (be an) astonish(-ment), (be, bring into, unto, lay, lie, make) desolate(-ion, places), be destitute, destroy (self), (lay, lie, make) waste, wonder.

https://studybible.info/Rotherham/Daniel 9

Rotherham(i) 27
And he will confirm a covenant to the many, for one week,—but, in the middle of the week, will cause sacrifice and present to cease, and, in his stead, [shall be] the horrid abomination that astoundeth<8074>, even till, a full end, and that a decreed one, shall be poured out on him that astoundeth<8074>.

 

[DavidPT]

The YLT is the most literally accurate:

Daniel 9
27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and [in] the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

"He" is Messiah the prince, who used the Roman armies (abominations to the Jews) as His agents of destruction and desolation.

Yet everything in verse 27 is fulfilled during the 70th week. If you are correct, that means there is at least a 40 year gap in the 70th week itself. If Daniel 27b is referring to Jesus and His death on the cross, and if 27c is referring to the events of 70 AD, no way around it then, that puts a gap of at least 40 years between 27b and 27c. And like I have pointed out numerous times now, the context of verse 27 is the 70th week. None of it involves anything outside of the 70th week. No wonder some of you are interpreting verse 27 incorrectly then.