FreeGrace2 said:
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John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Where is the rest verse 28?
Right where I left it; IN my quote of the verse.
Are your reading skills that much in need of remediation?
Very deceptive quoting a scripture that begins with "and", but leaving off the word that connects the previous verse that describes those who will receive the promise of verse 28.
You've proven nothing with the "and" at the beginning of v.28. There, I've acknowledged it, once again.
So what? Your claim that it somehow shows that "following Him" is a condition for never perishing, EVEN THOUGH the first phrase in v.28, "I give them eternal life" is THE condition for never perishing.
But you want to make lifestyle and works the issue in not perishing.
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28
The reason His sheep receive eternal life, is they hear and obey Him throughout their life which results in following Him.
No, the reason they are His sheep to begin with is because they did what He said in John 10:9 - I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.They will come in and go out, and find pasture.
At the end of following Him, they receive eternal life.
This unbiblical claim is refuted directly by John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
So, those who believe:
1. HAS (that means possess, for the uninformed) eternal life, and it's in the present tense. Not future, as your unbiblical claim indicates.
2. WILL NOT BE judged. This is future tense, based on an action presently.
3. HAS crossed over from death to life. This is past tense; WHEN one believes , they HAVE passed from death to life.
So eternal life is given WHEN one believes. John 5:24, 6:47 and 1 John 5:13 all say that whoever believes presently possesses (has) eternal life.
Are you comfortable with holding to a view that is unbiblical? And why are you?
Are you trying to teach God's people they do not have to hear His voice and follow Him, but receive eternal life anyway?
The Bible teaches that those who believe HAVE (presently, when they believe) eternal lfie.
Is that what you are implying by leaving off part of verse 28 and not even quoting verse 27?
Since v.27 is a description of His sheep, there is no need to repeat it.
It is v.28 that teaches both the
CAUSE and
EFFECT of having eternal life.
And I give them eternal life,
and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27
Now, if you can, prove that the red words do NOT show the
CAUSE of having eternal life.
And, if you can, prove that the blue words do NOT show the
EFFECT of having eternal life.
i even color coded it for you to make it so much easier to follow my points.