THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

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Are you intentionally obfuscating the point or do you truly not understand?
You are intentionally obfuscating my resposnes, when they are crystal clear.

If you are not keeping ALL of the law (no matter how it is counted or miscounted) then you are not keeping the law, and by your own definition, you are living in disobedience of the law.
And I told you, a Christian is to keep all of them, not in type, but in anti-type.

When I spoke about there being no Temple
Again, there is a Temple.

because otherwise Mosaic lawkeepers
Who?

would still be needing to make sacrifices in it
Sacrifices are still required. Anti-type.

Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Hebrews 13:16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Again:

Hebrews 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

you went on and on about the heavenly temple
Even as Moses knew of, and looked to, see Exodus 25:8,40; Numbers 8:4; Hebrews 8:5.

, which is obviously *not* the temple that Israelites/Jews used for their sacrifices and other temple observances
The one of earth, they knew simply to be the pattern of the great true one in Heaven.

so again, are you deliberately obfuscating the point or truly not understanding the difference?
No, you are obfuscating the point and not understanding.

Just in case you are truly not understanding, Mosaic lawkeepers had to stop making animal sacrifices when their *earthly* temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD.
Actually they were to stop in AD 31, as prophecy foretold in Daniel 9. Jesus told them that their earthly Jerusalem temple services were desolate in AD 31.

Otherwise, it would still be just as much a part of the Mosaic law as any of the many other laws that are still required for someone who believes they must observe the law.
Again, sacrifices are still required. See above.

You can't just pick out what part of the law
Not doing any such thing. You just keep falsely asserting it.

you like if you're going to practice lawkeeping.
Obedience in God's grace is returned love.

What you have is law-disrespecting, law-breaking, and thus are an illegalarian.

You need to observe ALL of it
I said that several times.

or you have no grounds to stand on by condemning others who also don't observe parts of the law.
You have a misunderstanding about who is doing the condemning. It is not I. God's word Judges you.

Your lack of lawkeeping is no better or worse than their lack of lawkeeping.
Which sin am I committing right now? How did you determine it was sin?

Fortunately, we can rid ourselves of all that burden by putting our faith in *Jesus Christ* and his free gift of grace rather than our own insignificant and impossible efforts at trying to earn our own salvation.
No one can earn salvation, and we say it a thousand times, though your fingers are still in your ears.

Obedience comes in salvation. Salvation does not come from obedience.

Humans are so prideful
I noticed.

that we like to think we can do it all ourselves
Not in my religion. It is Christ which strenghtheneth me to obey; Philippians 4:13; see also Romans 5:6; Revelation 12:10-12.

If we just try hard enough
Where have I taught that? Go find the quote. I'll wait.

, but such thinking is a *rejection* of Jesus' gift
Yes, but that gift does not give license to transgress God's law (Exodus 20:8-11), in one jot or tittle.

and there is no salvation outside of putting our trust and faith in Jesus and *his* faith.
Jesus' "faith" was not a mere mental assent to God's will (Psalms 40:8), but a continual doing of it, and so we also, by Him:

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
 
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I dont see sabbath keeping listed as fruit of the spirit, nor do i see failing to observe sabbath listed as a work of flesh.

galatians 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 [g]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
 
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Keep Babylonian "whining". It doesn't change what you are doing to Romans 14.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23
 
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I am not your friend.

Philippians 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Good scripture. It rebukes those who would promote circumcision. Im not sure how it applies to me. I like the next chapter.

Philippians 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice! 5 Let your gentle spirit be known to all men. The Lord is [c]near.
 
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Please by all means can you show me the scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath?
It has been shown. It's easy to say no it doesn't mean that. Hebrews chapter 4.
4 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest is still open,
We know He's not talking about the seventh day shadow but the real rest that is entered into. It's a state of being that the day foreshadows. The letter goes on,
3 For we who have believed enter that rest,

So it's obviously a state of real rest not a day to try and rest. The author clarifies by naming the day.
4 For in one place it speaks about the seventh day
and how those who it was given to do not enter the real thing. He speaks of the seventh day as not God's rest .
“And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this place it says, “They shall not enter my rest.” .
The author is pointing out that the seventh day rest isn't the Lord's rest, if it were how can God say they won't enter it? He can say it because it's a shadow of His rest. So another day is set and the Sacred author tells us why. 6 Since therefore it remains open for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, The sabbath then isn't a sequence of time beginning at a distant point. It's conditional. What other day could it be then? Well the next thing taught is the freedom that comes with faith. Faith is through hearing.
7 again he sets a certain day—“today”—saying through David much later, in the words already quoted,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”


Faith in Jesus is taught in Hebrews 4 as the true sabbath rest on earth. I like the way the inspired author emphasized the word "Today". What day is the sabbath? The day you believe.
3 For we who have believed enter that rest,

When did God finish His work?
He said it on the cross. "It is finished".
What did God say on the first day of the week? " Let there be Light." The Tomb was empty.




8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
This is the exact opposite of what my bible say's.
(NRSVCE)
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not speak later about another day.

and this one. (NAB revised)
8 Now if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterwards of another day.

The NKJV

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.

The ASV
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.


The CSB
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.

Amplified bible
8 [This mention of a rest was not a reference to their entering into Canaan.] For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not speak about another day [of opportunity] after that.

I could go on. I didn't find any other that agrees with the KJV but the AKJV

I think every bible translation but the old KJV say's it's Joshua not Jesus and it say's, God speaks of another day. KJV say's, and I paraphrase, if there was another day wouldn't God have said so? But then the New KJV is in line with the rest. Curious. What's happening?
 
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It has been shown. It's easy to say no it doesn't mean that. Hebrews chapter 4.
4 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest is still open,
We know He's not talking about the seventh day shadow but the real rest that is entered into. It's a state of being that the day foreshadows. The letter goes on,
3 For we who have believed enter that rest,

So it's obviously a state of real rest not a day to try and rest. The author clarifies by naming the day.
4 For in one place it speaks about the seventh day
and how those who it was given to do not enter the real thing. He speaks of the seventh day as not God's rest .
“And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this place it says, “They shall not enter my rest.” .
The author is pointing out that the seventh day rest isn't the Lord's rest, if it were how can God say they won't enter it? He can say it be a shadow of the sabbath rest So another day is set and the Sacred author tell us why. 6 Since therefore it remains open for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, The sabbath then isn't a sequence of time beginning at a distant point. It's conditional. What other day could it be then? Well the next thing taught is the freedom that comes with faith. Faith is through hearing.
7 again he sets a certain day—“today”—saying through David much later, in the words already quoted,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

Faith in Jesus is taught in Hebrews 4 as the true sabbath rest on earth. What day is the sabbath? The day you believe.
3 For we who have believed enter that rest,

When did God finish His work?
He said it on the cross. "It is finished".
What did God say on the first day of the week? " Let there be Light." The Tomb was empty.




This is the exact opposite of what my bible say's.
(NRSVCE)
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not speak later about another day.

and this one. (NAB revised)
8 Now if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterwards of another day.

The NKJV

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.

The ASV
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.


The CSB
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.

Amplified bible
8 [This mention of a rest was not a reference to their entering into Canaan.] For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not speak about another day [of opportunity] after that.

I could go on. I didn't find any other but the AKJV

I think every bible translation but the old KJV say's it's Joshua not Jesus and it say's, God speaks of another day. KJV say's, and I paraphrase, if there was another day wouldn't God have said so? But then the New KJV is in line with the rest. Curious. What's happening?

Hello Eloy nice to see you.

You have not provided one scripture above says Jesus is a Sabbath and also you have not answered one question asked of you from post #142 linked click me.

The questions asked of you are in post #142 linked click me that pulled apart your earlier post section by section on Hebrews 4 and post # 143 linked click me goes through both Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 scripture by scripture providing within Chapter and Scripture CONTEXT to show you that the post you presented has no basis in God's Word.

I am not sure why you think the post above answers anything I have asked of you.

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INTERLINEAR GREEK
HEBREWS 4:8
If indeed to them Joshua had given them rest not anyhow about another (rest) would he have spoken about this day.

* Meaning is that God's people in the wilderness had the Gospel preached to them (v2) but they did not believe God and could not enter into God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST because they had no FAITH.

The other REST being spoken of here is the GOSPEL REST through CHRIST. None can enter the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST without first entering the GOSPEL REST of FORGIVENESS of SIN.v7

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. *Meaning God is wanting to give his Gospel REST today if we harden not our hearts through sin (Heb 3:13). No one enter God's SABBATH REST without entering the Gospel REST.

HEBREWS 4:8

New Living Translation
Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come.

Contemporary English Version
If Joshua had really given the people rest, there would not be any need for God to talk about another day of rest.

New International Version
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.

Berean Study Bible
Now if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.

New American Standard Bible
For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.

The above is in reference to the Gospel rest that was reject from God's people in v2 pointing to the rest in Christ. None enter God's rest (SABBATH DAY REST) if they do not enter the Gospel rest. This is the rest to come from another day.

BARNES' COMMENTARY NOTES ON THE BIBLE

HEBREWS 4:8 For if Jesus - Margin, "That is, Joshua." The Syriac renders it, "Joshua the son of Nun." "Jesus" is the Greek mode of writing "Joshua," and there can be no doubt that Joshua is here intended. The object is to prove that Joshua did" not" give the people of God such a rest as to make it improper to speak of a "rest" after that time. "If Joshua had given them a complete and final rest; if by his conducting them to the promised land all had been done which had been contemplated by the promise, then it would not have been alluded to again, as it was in the time of David." Joshua "did" give them a rest in the promised land; but it was not all which was intended, and it did not exclude the promise of another and more important rest. Then would he not - Then "God" would not have spoken of another time when that rest could be obtained. The "other day" here referred to is that which is mentioned before by the phrase "today," and refers to the time in which it is spoken of long after Joshua, to wit, in the time of David.

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v8 is then followed with

HEBREWS 4:9 [9] There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.

Yep it looks like God's Sabbath rest remains. It's still in place for God's people. It is still God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) and one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is if broken (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4).

Hope this helps
 
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I am not sure why you think the post above answers anything I have asked of you.
Indeed correct. How redundant it becomes to quote scriptures that neither party agrees on the meaning of. I of course see your reasoning a defense mechanism, a knee jerk reaction because your belief is contingent on another's belief perceived as opposition.

It's easy to say 'that is not true" or " you haven't given one scripture" or all the rest of your denials that are basically the same " nu huh". I think when it comes to scriptures, an interpretation that is in accord with the whole and plumbs deeper and truer exposes error by contrast and those able to comprehend it know it without anyone saying a word. Your interpretation lacks that quality and fails to expose but is it'self exposed. In fact to deny Christ's Resurrection as His rest and the light of our New Day is incomprehensible to me. To not accept it as encompassing everything the Law was meant to be is also.
 
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Indeed correct. How redundant it becomes to quote scriptures that neither party agrees on the meaning of. I of course see your reasoning a defense mechanism, a knee jerk reaction because it is contingent on another's belief perceived as opposition.

It's easy to say 'that is not true" or " you haven't given one scripture" or all the rest of your denials that are basically the same " nu huh". I think when it comes to scriptures, an interpretation that is in accord with the whole and plumbs deeper and truer exposes error by contrast and those able to comprehend it know it without anyone saying a word. Your interpretation lacks that quality and fails to expose but is it'self exposed. In fact to deny Christ's Resurrection as His rest and the light of our New Day is incomprehensible to me. To not accept it as encompassing everything the Law was meant to be is also.

Hi Eloy,

Well none of that is true post #142 linked click me went through your post section by section asking you to provide scripture for the statements made in your post. You have not responded to it.

Then post # 143 linked click me goes through both Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 scripture by scripture providing within Chapter and Scripture CONTEXT to show you the meaning and CONTEXT of both chapters and scriptures used and what is missing from your earlier post.

If you do not agree please provide a detailed response to both post #142 linked click me, and post # 143 linked click me.

If you cannot then your words do not mean anything as your not able to prove your belief with the scriptures. (Said in all respect my friend and as a friend in Christ)

May God bless you as you seek him prayerfully through his Word
 
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Well that has no truth in it. Please show the scripture that says that Hebrews 4 is talking about the first day of the week?
I said it speaks of a day SYMBOLIZED by 'the first day of the week.

Scripture from Hebrews 4 please to prove the above?
3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, Believed what? Who rested after His work? Who is Our Lord" Where is this rest? Tell me is it some where our Lord went? A place of rest that once God enters there He rests? Like one subject to a place? Or, is it Our Lord Himself who rests and in Him we rest too? I think the last makes most sense. Do you really not agree with that?

Scripture please to prove the above statement? Where does it say the Lord's day is the First day of the week in Hebrews 4?
I've already shown that interpretation from scripture.

Firstly Eloy the author of this article has not establsihed anything that he is claiming from the scriptures. Please provide the scripture that says that Jesus is our Sabbath? If you cannot then you will see that this writer is reading into scripture something that is not there. The same as the previous sections of this post has highlighted with questions above.
I'm the author. And your expectation of explicit references seems to be a precondition that sets opposition up for failure. Not to mention a perception of scripture that's bound by a literalist's interpretation. Scripture is deeper than that.
What has this got to do with Hebrews 4? This is not relavant to Hebrews 4.
It has to do with your OP.

How do you get all that out of Hebrews 4? It is pretty easy to see that nothing that this author has said comes out of Hebrews 4 and has to be read into the scripture to say something it is not saying to get that interpretation. Anyhow happy to talk more about Hebrews 3 and 4 in the next post.
You use words that close doors and make emotional reasoning evident. Words like 'nothing' everything' always' never' nowhere'' everywhere, This is black and white thinking that doesn't allow for exchanges of ideas. The doors open or close your ability to apprehend truth.

Eloy, Please have a go at answering the questions asked of you in this post for your own benefit . If you do not wish to respond to them here it is ok
I did, and would like you to refute my interpretation with substance not just 'uh huh'. Show me where scripture reveals that Christians do not find their rest in Christ but rest in some other.
 
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If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

It never fails when I ask why SDA members don’t write a Torah scroll or observe the Passover sacrifice they never give an answer. I’m sure your aware that if you are guilty of breaking one of God’s commandments you are guilty of breaking all of them. So we are in the same boat if you do not keep these commandments I have asked you about.
 
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INTERLINEAR GREEK HEBREWS 4:8
If indeed to them Joshua had given them rest not anyhow about another (rest) would he have spoken about this day.

* Meaning is that God's people in the wilderness had the Gospel preached to them (v2) but they did not believe God and could not enter into God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST because they had no FAITH.
Ok this may be fun. I disagree that the author of Hebrews means the seventh day rest. Because Joshua was giving them the promised land and they believed they were entering the Lord's seventh day rest. Which would mean they would be living the sabbath without end. It would no longer be lived as a devotion to a sequence of time but be a continuous reality of their life. The seventh day Sabbath can't be the reality of a continuous state of life. Anyhow, the author refutes the notion that they were entering the seventh day sabbath by saying belief in Jesus is 'that' rest.
 
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It never fails when I ask why SDA members don’t write a Torah scroll or observe the Passover sacrifice they never give an answer. I’m sure your aware that if you are guilty of breaking one of God’s commandments you are guilty of breaking all of them. So we are in the same boat if you do not keep these commandments I have asked you about.

Hello BNR32FAN, did you read post # 246 linked CLICK ME? Not only have all your questions been answered with detailed scripture but I have asked you some questions as well which you seem to have ignored. Maybe you did not read the post I think if you read it then you would have not written the post you wrote above. Anyhow it is linked above for easy access.

May God bless you as you prayerfully seek him through his Word.
 
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I said it speaks of a day SYMBOLIZED by 'the first day of the week.

3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, Believed what? Who rested after His work? Who is Our Lord" Where is this rest? Tell me is it some where our Lord went? A place of rest that once God enters there He rests? Like one subject to a place? Or, is it Our Lord Himself who rests and in Him we rest too? I think the last makes most sense. Do you really not agree with that?

I've already shown that interpretation from scripture.

I'm the author. And your expectation of explicit references seems to be a precondition that sets opposition up for failure. Not to mention a perception of scripture that's bound by a literalist's interpretation. Scripture is deeper than that.
It has to do with your OP.

You use words that close doors and make emotional reasoning evident. Words like 'nothing' everything' always' never' nowhere'' everywhere, This is black and white thinking that doesn't allow for exchanges of ideas. The doors open or close your ability to apprehend truth.

I did, and would like you to refute my interpretation with substance not just 'uh huh'. Show me where scripture reveals that Christians do not find their rest in Christ but rest in some other.

Sorry Eloy you have still not answered anything in post #142 linked click me
with scripture. It seems like your just quoting yourself and your own belief but you are not able to provide any scriptures for your belief.

As said earlier post # 143 linked click me goes through both Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 scripture by scripture in detail providing within Chapter and Scripture CONTEXT to show you the meaning and CONTEXT of both chapters and scriptures used and what is missing from your earlier post.

We may have to agree to disagree my friend until you can provide scripture for your belief.

May God bless you as you seek him prayerfully through his Word
 
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Ok this may be fun. I disagree that the author of Hebrews means the seventh day rest. Because Joshua was giving them the promised land and they believed they were entering the Lord's seventh day rest. Which would mean they would be living the sabbath without end. It would no longer be lived as a devotion to a sequence of time but be a continuous reality of their life. The seventh day Sabbath can't be the reality of a continuous state of life. Anyhow, the author refutes the notion that they were entering the seventh day sabbath by saying belief in Jesus is 'that' rest.

So your saying that Paul is discussing the Sabbath in Hebrews 4 but then refutes it in Hebrew 4? Seems Hebrews 4:1-5 and v9 disagrees with you here Eloy. Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 says that God's people in the wilderness never entered God's REST (SABBATH) because of their UNBELIEF in his WORD (Gospel v2) and because of sin 3v13.

Look at the scriptures...

4v1 says this is a warning to us today to fear lest God's promise being left us any of us coming short of entering into God's REST through the same experience of Gods people in the past (Unbelief and sin). v3 It is only those who BELIEVE God's WORD that enter into God's REST. v4-5 Explains what God's REST is and says it is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST by first BELIEVING the GOSPEL v2. The GOSPEL v2 is the GOSPEL of CHRIST Paul is speaking present tense. "For unto us was the Gospel preached as well as unto them (Children in the wilderness)
v6 Some enter in by faith others do not enter in because of UNBELIEF in God's WORD. v7-8 Speaking again of the REST through CHRIST spoken of another day. v9 There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God. v11 Let us labour to enter into that rest.

Summary you cannot enter into God's REST (SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST) without first entering the Gospel rest

Seems God's WORD disagrees with you Eloy.
 
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Sorry Eloy you have still not answered anything in post #142 linked click me
with scripture. It seems like your just quoting yourself and your own belief but you are not able to provide any scriptures for your belief.
No, I'm unable to provide interpretation you agree with when I provide scripture. You don't distinguish one from the other.
As said earlier post # 143 linked click me goes through both Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 scripture by scripture in detail providing within Chapter and Scripture CONTEXT to show you the meaning and CONTEXT of both chapters and scriptures used and what is missing from your earlier post.
Well I would agree with that if I agreed with your opinion about the meaning of those scriptures. I don't so I don't.
We may have to agree to disagree my friend until you can provide scripture for your belief.
Well, or we must agree on the meaning of the scriptures we provide because scriptures can't be the substance of the discussion otherwise.
 
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God's people in the wilderness never entered God's REST (SABBATH) because of their UNBELIEF in his WORD (Gospel v2) and because of sin 3v13.
Exactly because God's rest is a state of being not a temporal duration.
 
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