The Torah is still valid..

[yeshuaslavejeff]

God didn't tell

Really....

In all history since Creation, how many people did Yahweh speak with personally ? (that we know for sure from Scripture)

 

[gideon123]

"By the way, as far as the Sabbath goes, that is LITERALLY between you and your Father. He will instruct you on how to commune with Him on that holyday. "

Thank you.
You are right.

My wife and I decided to put the Sabbath into our weekly life ... we started about 18 months ago. A Day set apart for God. We do not follow the strict standards of Orthodox Jews. But we do not schedule any work that day, and we spend much more time in prayer. Also, more time with personal Bible study.

You know what happened?

Saturday ... the Sabbath ... became our most cherished day. Not only for our relationship with God, but also for our marriage relationship. Because the World lost its grip on our Saturdays. Instead, we get real rest, we take our concerns to God, and we spend more time listening to each other.

We will never give up the Sabbath.
Our most precious day ... each week.

 

[ewq1938]

Saturday ... the Sabbath ... became our most cherished day. Not only for our relationship with God, but also for our marriage relationship. Because the World lost its grip on our Saturdays. Instead, we get real rest, we take our concerns to God, and we spend more time listening to each other.

We will never give up the Sabbath.
Our most precious day ... each week.

Can you imagine that happening every single day forever? Welcome to the NT Sabbath

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Can you imagine that happening every single day forever? Welcome to the NT Sabbath

If only Yahweh said so......
but He didn't....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In all history since Creation, how many people did Yahweh speak with personally ? (that we know for sure from Scripture)

 

[LoveofTruth]

it is implied...otherwise here would be no reason to add that

No the Jewish believers were simply coming out of the old Covenant and it took time for it to decay and fade away and it was ready to vanish. They were in the time of reformation. It didn't make sense to force gentiles to come under the old covenant and then bring them out of it when it fades away.

"13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.(Hebrews 8:13 KJV)

"10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.(Hebrews 9:10 KJV)

 

[LoveofTruth]

Rather, Paul wrote--

8Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." (Romans 13)

Rather Paul also wrote

"7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away."(2 Corinthans 3:7-16 KJV)

 

[LoveofTruth]

You are saying they are mutually exclusive, which is not so. We follow because we love The Almighty...

Paul makes a distinction between the two and how they are applied to people in different conditions,

"2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."(Romans 8:2 KJV)

and

"the law is not of faith"

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

God didn't tell anyone about the Sabbath until Moses was leading Israel out of Egypt and to the promised land. And now, the Sabbath is not even a single day of the week anyways.

Read Genesis. Yeshua Himself said that Shabbat and marriage was given to Adam

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

A subjective argument. I could say the same about you. How about instead, produce scripture that states Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, or Joseph remembered the sabbath day by keeping it holy. Is there any scripture that states anyone prior to moses and the israelites kept the sabbath day?

Do you believe Yeshua? He said that both Shabbat and marriage was given to Adam.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

That doesn't say that adam remembered the sabbath and kept it as a holy day.

It says that Shabbat was given to Adam. Do you not believe Yeshua?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In all history since Creation, how many people did Yahweh speak with personally ? (that we know for sure from Scripture)

Read Genesis. Yeshua Himself said that Shabbat and marriage was given to Adam

Yes !

For this testimony, close enough. It is unimaginable that Yahweh would not have spoken with Adam and Chavah - mainly since it is written in Scripture
that Yahweh spoke with Adam and Chavah (Eve) !

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Paul makes a distinction between the two and how they are applied to people in different conditions,

"2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."(Romans 8:2 KJV)

and

"the law is not of faith"

Yeshua freed us from the CURSE of the Law...

 

[salt-n-light]

The Word of God Himself gave us a directive of this Law (as He did with sacrifices, or we should have the common sense to know):

He who is without sin cast the first stone.
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There is only one Human qualified to execute judgment; we don't even understand how to apply mercy before we execute justice, and we are terribly carnal (even if we had wisdom vis a vis David, Solomon, Moses, etc.)

The Law is still in effect, but you, me and the rest of humanity save One is unqualified to execute the penalties of breaking that law - especially since we [have] sin[ned]. But, make no mistake we will all be judged according to the Law of the Most High God.

That is why it is so dangerous to think 1) it passed away, and/or 2) it is void and/or no longer operable for [certain] people. We are all going to be judged by that Law; it would be the definition of ignorance to toss it aside, or consider it voided.

So if it didn’t pass away, then nothing is overridden.What you quoted wasn’t a law. Sabbath was law, to stone for that was law. The OT law also mandated people to follow through on the punishments.

If you’re defending to keep the OT law of Sabbath, don’t cut and paste. You know that Sabbath had a punishment attached to it to those who didn’t abide. Lol don’t disneyfy the Most High God.

 

[Kaon]

So if it didn’t pass away, then nothing is overridden.What you quoted wasn’t a law. Sabbath was law, to stone for that was law. The OT law also mandated people to follow through on the punishments.

If you’re defending to keep the OT law of Sabbath, don’t cut and paste. You know that Sabbath had a punishment attached to it to those who didn’t abide. Lol don’t disneyfy the Most High God.

What I quoted came directly from the Word of God Himself - He is the Arbiter of the Law and the only One who has authority to change it.

If He said it, it is. No one is "disnefying" the Most High God except people who would think we could freely disobey Him, and still reap the same rewards despite what He said. The Sabbath was a gift to man, and if the Hebrews were fine being saved from slavery in Egypt but cant understand why their God would demand they take one day - the seventh day - for rest, then the penalty is consequential. Their penalty is the foolishness that comes from the ignorance of the Sabbath.

Where did the Most High God, or the Word of God ever say that we could dismiss, void or make inoperable His Law?

 

[Dave L]

You have proved you know neither...

“But showing its fault, God says to them, “Look, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will complete a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.” (Hebrews 8:8)


“When he speaks of a new covenant, he makes the first obsolete. Now what is growing obsolete and aging is about to disappear.” (Hebrews 8:13)

 

[LoveofTruth]

In all history since Creation, how many people did Yahweh speak with personally ? (that we know for sure from Scripture)

He has spoken to every believer in thier heart. Since the beginning

Today if you hear His voice harden not you hearts.

 

[claninja]

Do you believe Yeshua? He said that both Shabbat and marriage was given to Adam.

It says that Shabbat was given to Adam. Do you not believe Yeshua?

I believe Jesus was talking about what is lawful on the sabbath in regards to the law of Moses.

Again, where does it say Adam remembered the sabbath by keeping it holy? You still have not provided scripture for this.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It is unimaginable that Yahweh would not have spoken with Adam and Chavah - mainly since it is written in Scripture
that Yahweh spoke with Adam and Chavah (Eve) !

Again, where does it say Adam remembered the sabbath by keeping it holy? You still have not provided scripture for this.

 

[claninja]

So we have to make an assumption that Adam observed the sabbath? Because scripture does not explicitly state that Adam honored the sabbath.