Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

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At the one hour and ten minute mark in this video
Lance Wallnau Ph. D. does a good job of summarizing
one valid angle on this.
Small problem -the video is 1 hour and 2 minutes long!
9 July 2018 DennisTate: Links to a video by the evangelist Lance Wallnau with probable delusions about sub-atomic physics in the pages of the Bible.
False Teacher of the Day #4: Lance Wallnau
Hid doctorate is a Doctorate in Ministry which is a D.Min, not a "Ph. D".
 
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Unfortunately, judging by what DennisTate quotes from that friend, the friend is in the school of incoherent, ignorant posts that are nothing to do with Christianity.

Just read the quote.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree -- but then, neither does the Unity School of Christianity.
 
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All that is needed is at least the level of reading comprehension needed to read the Bible!
Seeing as the crux of the Bible is:

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

How is it educatees can't grasp those nineteen one-syllable words?
 
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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Yup.

That's why they lobbied to have the Bible taken out of our schools; the Ten Commandments off of our courthouse lawns; and now "Merry Christmas" plutoed to "Happy Holidays" and "Seasons Greetings."

Even "White Christmas" is starting to be considered predjucial.
 
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Followed by deep ignorance about the separation of state and church.
Don't you mean separation of church from state? God from government?

The Christian principle is separation of church and state; the academic model is separation of church from state.
 
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Don't you mean separation of church from state? God from government?
I mean the separation of church and state in the USA that this foreigner seems to know more about than someone living in the USA!
Separation of church and state in the United States

You must know that separation of church and state makes mandatory religion in public schools non-constitutional. The Koran, Torah, Bible, Vedas, Tripitaka, etc. cannot be made mandatory reading in public schools.

It is a lie that "fools despising wisdom and instruction" lobbied to have the Bible taken out of schools. I am sure that schools are free to have the Bible in their libraries.
There are 2 Supreme Court of the US cases about Ten Commandments in courthouse displays hoping for a reformulation or clarification of the Lemon test. That is what wise and instructed lawyers do - test the law so that the law is clearer or made better. There are city and state cases about Ten Commandments monuments in public areas including courthouse lawns (mixed results).

The "Merry Christmas" stuff is more a question of politeness.
 
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Does your country practice separation of church and state?
That is irrelevant to a display of ignorance about the USA separation of church and state.

But:
We do practice separation of church and state here in NZ, more by inclination or habit than legislation. State schools are secular. There is no established church. There is an obligation for the Queen as our head of state (a ceremonial position with no political power) to be Anglican. Parliament has an opening prayer once a year. A Christian anthem. Support of Maori religion is common, e.g. hikitapu ceremonies for new buildings, consideration of taniwha, etc.
NZ had an about even split between Christians and non-Christians in 2013.
 
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Is your online friend in the Unity School of Christianity?

No..... he terms himself an Agnostic.......
but here is one of his statements that I felt was exceptionally insightful and accurate.

AboveAlpha said:
OK....first of all...I do not as you state..."choose not to believe in a god"...end quote gophangover.

I am not an Atheist.....I am AGNOSTIC.

As anyone who follows the Scientific Method worth their salt should be.
.........
 
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but here is one of his statements that I felt was exceptionally insightful and accurate.
You need to learn what the scientific method actually is, DennisTate, and thus how bad that statement is.
Scientific method
Scientific method is an empirical method of knowledge acquisition, which has characterized the development of natural science since at least the 17th century, involving careful observation, which includes rigorous skepticism about what one observes, given that cognitive assumptions about how the world works influence how one interprets a percept; formulating hypotheses, via induction, based on such observations; experimental testing and measurement of deductions drawn from the hypotheses; and refinement (or elimination) of the hypotheses based on the experimental findings. These are principles of the scientific method, as opposed to a definitive series of steps applicable to all scientific enterprises.[1][2][3]
That "rigorous skepticism" typically includes that something does not exist unless there is empirical evidence that it exists. There is the extension that an extraordinary something needs extraordinary evidence.

An example: Is there is a teapot floating between the Earth and Mars because someone asserts there is? A rigorous skeptic following the scientific method would say there is no empirical evidence and so the teacup does not exist.

This is a version of Russell's teapot example about the burden of proof (it is up to the person making the assertion to provide supporting evidence).

This is agnosticism
Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.[1][2][3]
An agnostic has a specific belief.
 
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You need to learn what the scientific method actually is, DennisTate, and thus how bad that statement is.
Scientific method

That "rigorous skepticism" typically includes that something does not exist unless there is empirical evidence that it exists. There is the extension that an extraordinary something needs extraordinary evidence.

An example: Is there is a teapot floating between the Earth and Mars because someone asserts there is? A rigorous skeptic following the scientific method would say there is no empirical evidence and so the teacup does not exist.

This is a version of Russell's teapot example about the burden of proof (it is up to the person making the assertion to provide supporting evidence).

This is agnosticism

An agnostic has a specific belief.

In my opinion.... .claiming to be an Atheist......
and being unwilling to admit to actually being an Agnostic......
is founded on far too much confidence in whatever information somebody thinks that they know........
but they really don't seem to have a very good understanding of the probable implications of String Theory, The Anthropic Principle, the Cyclic Model of the Universe.... .or the LAW of probability!

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...uld-our-creator-have-evolved-learned.7648510/

Are you open to idea of the Creator learning, experimenting and in a way evolving?
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  1. We humans can learn and we are made in the image of God so....
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  2. God absolutely knew everything from eternity in the past and had zero need to learn.!
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  3. This is a new idea to me but is an improvement over extreme skepticism and atheism!
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    It is worthwhile to consider this theory if it can result in our kids being taught ID.
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  5. This idea is profoundly offensive to me! This is a blasphemy!
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  6. This would seem to fit with String Theory, The Anthropic Principle and Cyclic Model of the Universe.
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Chapter 13 of Stephen Hawking's Universe sure seems to indicate that Dr. Hawking felt that fundamental energy would exist from infinite time in the past.......
for far, far, far longer than merely 13.72 billion years or so......
and any serious thinker should be wondering what fundamental energy was doing..... and how it was moving..... for something like infinite time in the past.

Dr. Hawking postulated an Atheistic version of the Cyclic Model in that chapter..... but he could even have been a Closet Theist who was setting up the next generation where Theistic Evolutionists would have more freedom to express their views and questions.

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity
!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it?
An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions
."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy.
...


">"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)
 
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In my opinion.... .claiming to be an Atheist......
and being unwilling to admit to actually being an Agnostic......
13 July 2018 DennisTate: An ignorant fantasy about my profile which states I am an atheist.

13 July 2018 DennisTate: A irrelevant poll when this thread is about a multiverse and "multiple Ezekiel 37 type events" fantasy.

13 July 2018 DennisTate: Irrelevant fantasies about Stephen Hawking.

13 July 2018 DennisTate: A quote about well known physics (Kaluza–Klein theory) with some irrelevant highlighting.
Argument from ignorance of incredulity? Ignorance that scientific discoveries are made as in Kaluza–Klein theory? Incredibility that large numbers exist?

9 July 2018 DennisTate: Links to a video by the evangelist Lance Wallnau with probable delusions about sub-atomic physics in the pages of the Bible.
9 July 2018 DennisTate: An irrelevant "question of faith" post not addressing his lie.
28 May 2018 DennisTate: A lie of evidence that "G-d has gotten better and better and better at creation" and created the multiverse.
22 April 2018 DennisTate: Your friend was at least misleading and seems deluded about Ezekiel 37 ("a vision of the resurrection of dry bones").

18 June 2018 DennisTate: An irrelevant (not about multiverses) Bible quote not addressing his lie.
 
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13 July 2018 DennisTate: An ignorant fantasy about my profile which states I am an atheist.

13 July 2018 DennisTate: A irrelevant poll when this thread is about a multiverse and "multiple Ezekiel 37 type events" fantasy.

13 July 2018 DennisTate: Irrelevant fantasies about Stephen Hawking.

13 July 2018 DennisTate: A quote about well known physics (Kaluza–Klein theory) with some irrelevant highlighting.
Argument from ignorance of incredulity? Ignorance that scientific discoveries are made as in Kaluza–Klein theory? Incredibility that large numbers exist?

9 July 2018 DennisTate: Links to a video by the evangelist Lance Wallnau with probable delusions about sub-atomic physics in the pages of the Bible.
9 July 2018 DennisTate: An irrelevant "question of faith" post not addressing his lie.
28 May 2018 DennisTate: A lie of evidence that "G-d has gotten better and better and better at creation" and created the multiverse.
22 April 2018 DennisTate: Your friend was at least misleading and seems deluded about Ezekiel 37 ("a vision of the resurrection of dry bones").

18 June 2018 DennisTate: An irrelevant (not about multiverses) Bible quote not addressing his lie.

I am confident that the time will come when you have an epiphany and come to understand how all of that fits with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point

The technological singularity is the hypothetical advent of artificial general intelligence theoretically capable of recursive self-improvement, resulting in a runaway effect to an intelligence explosion.[23] Eric Steinhart, a proponent of "Christian transhumanism", argues there is significant overlap of ideas between the secular singularity and Teilhard's religious Omega Point.[3] Steinhart quotes Ray Kurzweil, one of the most prominent singularitarians, who stated that "evolution moves inexorably toward our conception of God, albeit never reaching this ideal."[3][24] Like Kurzweil, Teilhard predicts a period of rapid technological change that results in a merger of humanity and technology. He believes that this marks the birth of the noosphere and the emergence of the "spirit of the Earth," but the Teilhardian Singularity comes later. Unlike Kurzweil, Teilhard's singularity is marked by the evolution of human intelligence reaching a critical point in which humans ascend from "transhuman" to "posthuman". He identifies this with the Christian parousia.[3]


My conclusion from the rather simple explanations of String Theory, The Anthropic Principle, the evidence for the Cyclic Model of the Universe or Multiverse, the Law of Complexity Consciousness..... and the probable behavior patterns of the most fundamental forms of energy.... is that G-d evolved......
and eventually G-d created angels and later humans..... not to mention a myriad of other species some of which may have became technologically advanced.

If you actually want to understand this.... this may help:

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...ly-god-evolved-learned.7731441/#post-62639200

Anthropic Principle and Cyclic Model of Universe imply God evolved/learned?!
 
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My conclusion from the rather simple explanations of String Theory, The Anthropic Principle, the evidence for the Cyclic Model of the Universe or Multiverse, the Law of Complexity Consciousness...
16 July 2018 DennisTate: A rather simple fantasy from ignorance of String Theory, etc.

He needs to start with the simple explanation that string theory is probably wrong because it has serious issues.
A lie of evidence for a cyclic universe.
A lie of evidence for a multiverse.
"Law of Complexity Consciousness" nonsense (Pierre Teilhard de Chardin fantasy about consciousnessness).

13 July 2018 DennisTate: An ignorant fantasy about my profile which states I am an atheist.
13 July 2018 DennisTate: A irrelevant poll when this thread is about a multiverse and "multiple Ezekiel 37 type events" fantasy.
13 July 2018 DennisTate: Irrelevant fantasies about Stephen Hawking.
13 July 2018 DennisTate: A quote about well known physics (Kaluza–Klein theory) with some irrelevant highlighting.


9 July 2018 DennisTate: Links to a video by the evangelist Lance Wallnau with probable delusions about sub-atomic physics in the pages of the Bible.
9 July 2018 DennisTate: An irrelevant "question of faith" post not addressing his lie.
28 May 2018 DennisTate: A lie of evidence that "G-d has gotten better and better and better at creation" and created the multiverse.
22 April 2018 DennisTate: Your friend was at least misleading and seems deluded about Ezekiel 37 ("a vision of the resurrection of dry bones").

18 June 2018 DennisTate: An irrelevant (not about multiverses) Bible quote not addressing his lie.
 
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