Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

[RealityCheck01]

Humans, including scientists (of whom I know, and know of) mistake dimension and "universe". They are not the same at all. ....

You are wrong about that mistake and what you imagine drug hallucinations to be, Kaon.
People educated in mathematics or physics know dimensions in mathematics and physics and a universe (even in quotes) are not the same.

The multiverse is a hypothetical consequence of standard cosmology.
The multiverse has, as your first sentence says, nothing to do with dimensions.
String theory is modern mathematical physics unrelated to the "ancient world".

 

[Kaon]

You are wrong about that mistake and what you imagine drug hallucinations to be, Kaon.
People educated in mathematics or physics know dimensions in mathematics and physics and a universe (even in quotes) are not the same.

The multiverse is a hypothetical consequence of standard cosmology.
The multiverse has, as your first sentence says, nothing to do with dimensions.
String theory is modern mathematical physics unrelated to the "ancient world".

As I said, I am not going to argue with you.

 

[RealityCheck01]

As I said, I am not going to argue with you.

There is no argument. You are writing errors. I am correcting those errors by listing the facts with sources to back them up. If you select to ignore the facts and repeat the errors then that it your choice.
For example: String theory is modern mathematical physics.
String theory is not hallucinations produced by drugs.
String theory describes what we have learned lately about the world (not a "we already knew in the Ancient world with post-enlightenment philosophy" story). Electrons were found to be particles in 1896. Quarks were proposed in 1964 and found in 1968. The Higgs boson was found in 2013. General relativity started in 1915.

 

[DennisTate]

String theory is mathematical physics, DennisTate, and has nothing to do with the hallucinations that George Ritchie had in a near death experience in 1943. He wrote those hallucinations down 45 years after he experienced them - plenty of time for memory to be lost and wishful thinking to embellish whatever he did experience.

String theory does not have "higher" dimensions, it has extra compacted dimensions.
String theory does not have 4 extra compacted dimensions, it has 22, 6 or 7 dimensions depending on the theory.

Exceptionall good comments but......... a bit too dogmatic ......
RealityCheck01 and.......

For the record I do lean heavily toward Bosonic String Theory due to its 26 dimensions.......

I have noticed over the years that the most well informed people often qualify and requalify their statements.......
They are seldom so dogmatic..........

Scientific Evidence of the Afterlife

Scientific Evidence of the Afterlife
By Kevin R. Williams, B.Sc.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Exceptionall good comments but......... a bit too dogmatic ..........

No dogma involved in the fact that science is science and hallucinations are hallucinations.
String theory is mathematical physics, DennisTate, and has nothing to do with the hallucinations that George Ritchie had in a near death experience in 1943.

You are aware that the universe is not all bosons? Fermions such as electrons also exist. Bosonic string theory with 26 dimensions was a step in the full development of string theory including bosons and fermions.

There is actual scientific evidence for near-death experiences with real scientific causes.

A crank, biased, and close to lying web page is not scientific evidence for the afterlife.
Kevin Williams is an computer scientist futilely trying to use NDEs to support his beliefs.
The page has some studies of near-death experiences.
The AWARE study debunked out of body experiences with no verified out of body experiences found (no one saw what was hidden on the shelves).
He has written an obvious NDE and quantum idiocy (a list of random quotes!) page and describes more quantum idiocy from Dr. T. Lee Baumann.

 

[DennisTate]

No dogma involved in the fact that science is science and hallucinations are hallucinations.
String theory is mathematical physics, DennisTate, and has nothing to do with the hallucinations that George Ritchie had in a near death experience in 1943.

You are aware that the universe is not all bosons? Fermions such as electrons also exist. Bosonic string theory with 26 dimensions was a step in the full development of string theory including bosons and fermions.

There is actual scientific evidence for near-death experiences with real scientific causes.

A crank, biased, and close to lying web page is not scientific evidence for the afterlife.
Kevin Williams is an computer scientist futilely trying to use NDEs to support his beliefs.
The page has some studies of near-death experiences.
The AWARE study debunked out of body experiences with no verified out of body experiences found (no one saw what was hidden on the shelves).
He has written an obvious NDE and quantum idiocy (a list of random quotes!) page and describes more quantum idiocy from Dr. T. Lee Baumann.

I don't have enough time to read this article at this time but at least by posting it here I will be able to find it again in a few days. I did read several articles on NDE's by Psychology Today and they were excellent.


https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/...-the-light-the-science-near-death-experiences

"Go Toward the Light": The Science of Near-Death Experiences
"Go Toward the Light": The Science of Near-Death Experiences

 

[RealityCheck01]

I don't have enough time to read this article at this time but at least by posting it here I will be able to find it again in a few days.

The article is clear, DennisTate. NDE happen. Some think NDE are supernatural. Others think NDE are a physical consequence of a common brain architecture. A recent paper supports that NDE are a physical consequence of a common brain architecture. If a heart attack patient has a higher concentration of carbon dioxide in their blood then they are more likely to experience a NDE. There is a smaller correlation with potassium ions in the blood.

 

[DennisTate]

The article is clear, DennisTate. NDE happen. Some think NDE are supernatural. Others think NDE are a physical consequence of a common brain architecture. A recent paper supports that NDE are a physical consequence of a common brain architecture. If a heart attack patient has a higher concentration of carbon dioxide in their blood then they are more likely to experience a NDE. There is a smaller correlation with potassium ions in the blood.

Good points.... but the IQ surge and the increase in other mental and physical gifts that many near death experiencers have after their NDE could well indicate that their consciousness went into a higher level of energy..... .that sure could fit with String Theory.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/bright-lights-big-mystery?page=4
Bright Lights, Big Mystery | Psychology Today

For Sappington and others, the issue is not whether the person is actually meeting God, but why NDErs routinely seem better adjusted, more at peace and content with themselves and the world after their experience. Disregarding, for the time being at least, how they got that way, and focusing on the changes themselves, psychologists would like to borrow this newfound sense of well-being and utilize it in therapy.
Reports are highly consistent and common: "I understand things so much more" and "My senses all seem heightened." Subjects claim "sudden knowledge and comprehension of complex mathematical theorems." Psychologist Ring has identified a consistent set of value and belief changes. They include:
a greater appreciation for life
o higher self-esteem
o greater compassion for others
o a heightened sense of purpose and self-understanding
o desire to learn
o elevated spirituality
o greater ecological sensitivity and planetary concern
o a feeling of being more intuitive, sometimes psychic.
o He also observes "psychophysical changes," including:
o increased physical sensitivity
o diminished tolerance to light, alcohol, and drugs
o a feeling that their brains have been "altered" to encompass more
o a feeling that they are now using their "whole brain" rather than just a small part.
NDErs undergo radical changes in personality, and their,significant others--spouses, friends, relatives--confirm these changes, reports Bruce Greyson, M.D., clinical psychiatrist and associate professor at the University of Connecticut. Like Sappington, he is concerned with what can be learned from such new outlooks on life." (Psychology Today, article Bright lights, big mystery, by James Mauro, published on July 01, 1992)

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

 

[RealityCheck01]

Good points.... but the IQ surge ...

That is wrong, DennisTate. Imaginary surges are not evidence of anything. No surges in Bright Lights, Big Mystery. Especially an "IQ surge" as if people can be adminsierted IQ tests when they are near death ! An endorphin rush may cause euphoria which leads to a perceived surge in many things, maybe even IQ.

 

[Halbhh]

An online friend of mine posted an explanation in the language of high level theoretical physics that fits extremely well with the idea that Ezekiel chapter 37 is not limited to being a one time event but instead may occur again and again and again as G-d leads all Israel and all the world closer and closer to the time spoken of by Paul......

Romans 11:32....."For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."

Ah. Well, it was very good to reread Ezeikiel chapter 37, and I noticed also that as I switched to the ESV, it was better worded than the NIV. I thank you for prompting me to reread this wonderful chapter.

 

[DennisTate]

Ah. Well, it was very good to reread Ezeikiel chapter 37, and I noticed also that as I switched to the ESV, it was better worded than the NIV. I thank you for prompting me to reread this wonderful chapter.

It is nearly forty years since I read it for the first time........ and if I remember correctly chills were going up and down my spine back in those days when I was not quite so lukewarm / Laodicean.......

 

[DennisTate]

That is wrong, DennisTate. Imaginary surges are not evidence of anything. No surges in Bright Lights, Big Mystery. Especially an "IQ surge" as if people can be adminsierted IQ tests when they are near death ! An endorphin rush may cause euphoria which leads to a perceived surge in many things, maybe even IQ.

Psycholgy Today referred to that phenomena..... and I would take their fact checking over yours........ I am sure you are awesome in your specific field.... but the writers at Psychology Today got me interested in near death experience accounts way back in nineteen eighty nine if I remember correctly.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Psycholgy Today referred to that phenomena.....

Read what you cite, DennisTate. As I wrote: There are no surges in Bright Lights, Big Mystery.
No "surge" in the article. No "IQ" in the article. No increase in intelligence in the article. The usual things seen with endorphin rushes reported by a Dr. Kenneth Ring. Claims by subjects.

FYI: If you want to see an insiders view of the profound changes that can occur in a brain then I recommend the TED talk by Jill Bolte Taylor - My stroke of genius. She is a brain researcher who had a stroke and gives a clear description of what she experienced. This includes some of the NDE claims but traced to actual physical causes.

There are no researchers at Psychology Today - it is a journal. There are some psychologists who publish a lot on NDEs, e.g. Kenneth Ring.
Near-death studies.

 

[DennisTate]

Read what you cite, DennisTate. As I wrote: There are no surges in Bright Lights, Big Mystery.
No "surge" in the article. No "IQ" in the article. No increase in intelligence in the article. The usual things seen with endorphin rushes reported by a Dr. Kenneth Ring. Claims by subjects.

FYI: If you want to see an insiders view of the profound changes that can occur in a brain then I recommend the TED talk by Jill Bolte Taylor - My stroke of genius. She is a brain researcher who had a stroke and gives a clear description of what she experienced. This includes some of the NDE claims but traced to actual physical causes.

There are no researchers at Psychology Today - it is a journal. There are some psychologists who publish a lot on NDEs, e.g. Kenneth Ring.
Near-death studies.

This sounds like an IQ surge to me:
Scientific Discoveries Come From Near-Death Experiences

Furthermore, again in theory, there is one possible universe which is called the Omega Point, in which there is no time or space, and all possible universes coexist. This is why physicists such as Niels Bohr said, "Anyone who has not been shocked by quantum physics has not understood it.

Olaf Swenson may have seen such a timeless spaceless Omega Point when he nearly died of a botched tonsillectomy at age 14. He states:

"Suddenly I rolled into a ball and smashed into another reality. The forces that brought me through the barrier were terrific. I was on the other side. I realized that the boundary between life and death is a strange creation of our own mind, very real (from the side of the living), and yet insignificant."

Olaf felt he was floating in a universe with no boundaries.

"I had total comprehension of everything. I stood at the annihilation point, a bright orange light. As I felt my mind transported back to my body, I thought, please let me remember this new theory of relativity."

 

[RealityCheck01]

This sounds like an IQ surge to me:

There still are no surges in Bright Lights, Big Mystery.

There are no IQ surges in the lying and wven deluded web site that you have linked to.

• No citation of a real source for any published scientific discovery from a NDE !
• Mathematical knots known for centuries are not scientific discoveries.
• Gibberish presented as insights to cures for cancers and AIDS.
• A lie that meningitis is "pus on the brain" (any pus appears around the spinal cord).
• Deluded anecdote or lies about Edgar Cayce
• Rumors from Dr Atwater.
• Rumors from Dr Kenneth Ring.
• Irrelevant gibberish from Dr. Melvin Morse.

 

[DennisTate]

There still are no surges in Bright Lights, Big Mystery.

There are no IQ surges in the lying and wven deluded web site that you have linked to.

• No citation of a real source for any published scientific discovery from a NDE !
• Mathematical knots known for centuries are not scientific discoveries.
• Gibberish presented as insights to cures for cancers and AIDS.
• A lie that meningitis is "pus on the brain" (any pus appears around the spinal cord).
• Deluded anecdote or lies about Edgar Cayce
• Rumors from Dr Atwater.
• Rumors from Dr Kenneth Ring.
• Irrelevant gibberish from Dr. Melvin Morse.

Coming back from a near death experience with an explanation for all that we see around us sounds like a surge in comprehension / understanding.


Lynnclaire Dennis' Near-Death Experience

Lynnclaire Dennis' Near-Death ExperienceLynnclaire Dennis (www.mereon.org) has ever brought back a detailed scientific description of the Light's complex geometric structure and movement. First presented in her 1997 book entitled The Pattern, Lynnclaire described in detail her amazing NDE and description of this Light. Many years have passed since I first learned of her profound NDE and it remains one of the most transcendental NDEs I have ever come across. Her NDE testimony has graced the "Notable NDEs" section of my website from its very beginning. We continued to stay in touch over the years and I continued to follow her work hoping what she brought back from her NDE would develop into the scientific discovery we now know it is - the very science of life and living. From the very beginning, despite her religious upbringing, Lynnclaire courageously refused to give this Pattern of Light the ambiguous label of "God". She prefers to simply call it "The Pattern" and describes it as an all-connecting pattern of Light - a three-dimensional mandala representative of time and space, and the energy generating matter. Because she experienced The Pattern as pure Love, she has always maintained this to be the reason why Love is all that matters. In simple terms, The Pattern is a knot; but not just any knot. The Pattern is the simplest knot (a Trefoil Knot) and yet most profound knot - a never-before-discovered trefoil knot. The Pattern became of great interest to mathematicians, physicists, astrobiologists, and molecular geneticists who developed from it the "Mereon Matrix" - an algorithm representing the unification of knowledge which relies on whole systems both living and life-like. It is a scientific framework charting the sequential, emergent growth process of systems. Read more about this in the article entitled The Science of Life Discovered From Lynnclaire Dennis' Near-Death Experience and be sure to check out her blog. What follows are excerpts of her NDE and an analysis by permission from her book, The Pattern.

 

[DennisTate]

I believe that this video verifies my limitation on Multiverse Theory by Ezekiel 37

G-d does not create all possible universes.....
just enough universes to lead all of us to salvation!

 

[RealityCheck01]

Coming back from a near death experience with an explanation for all that we see around us ....

Lynnclaire Dennis coming back from a NDE with complete gibberish about light, time and space does not explain anything and is more a sign of brain damage, DennisTate.

 

[RealityCheck01]

The author is at least misleading about Ezekiel 37, which is

Ezekiel 37 is the thirty-seventh chapter of the Book of Ezekiel in the Hebrew Bible or the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. This book contains the prophecies spoken by the prophet Ezekiel, and is a part of the Books of the Prophets.[1] This chapter contains a vision of the resurrection of dry bones, widely known as the vision of the "valley of dry bones", in which Ezekiel at last assures the captives in Babylon that they will return from exile.[2]

Try looking at what you cite. A "Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism" YouTube video unavailable here but elsewhere part 1 of it is almost 2 hours long .
Quantum Mechanics Debunks Materialism - Part 1

Quantum Mechanics - The radical metaphysical and epistemological implications of QM which even most hard-nosed scientists fail to understand.

A quick look suggests New Age nonsense, not science. A self-help guru thinking that QM has something to say about spirituality, etc.

 

[DennisTate]

Try looking at what you cite. A "Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism" YouTube video unavailable here but elsewhere part 1 of it is almost 2 hours long .
Quantum Mechanics Debunks Materialism - Part 1

A quick look suggests New Age nonsense, not science. A self-help guru thinking that QM has something to say about spirituality, etc.

Some Quantum Physicists are a lot better, brighter and more objective than others.

https://www.amazon.ca/Quantum-Physics-Experiences-Consciousness-Religion/dp/1478176431
Quantum Physics, Near Death Experiences, Eternal Consciousness, Religion, and the Human Soul Paperback – Jul 3 2012
by William Joseph Bray (Author)

This is not a glossing over of subjects like a ‘pop’ TV documentary sanitized by and for the Orthodoxy. If you want to open your mind and truly and understand, finally and for real, what Quantum Physics is, where it came from, how the idea that our ’consciousness paints the universe into being’ came to be, how it relates to these other subjects, that requires a certain level of effort on the part of the reader, a small challenge but is certainly not written above the intellect of the average layman. The math presented is at a high-school level. Written by a Physicist whose expertise spans a wide range of fields, from Neuroscience Research to philosophy and religion, and who has also experienced multiple medically documented NDEs, the book proves mathematically that reality, the Universe as we perceive it, can only exist interdependent with consciousness. Reviewing Quantum Physics from its founders’ definitions up to the latest research in the field, Bray explains in detail in language every layman can understand how we interact with, manipulate and define the Universe, ultimately how we “paint the Universe into being”, to use Bray’s own syntagm. He substantiates his theory with most logical arguments and hard data which have been proven correct throughout a century of quantum research. After disproving beyond any reasonable doubt the world view according to which consciousness is an artifact of the physical brain, by using experimental data and conclusions independently verified by leading researchers worldwide, Bray describes how consciousness creates the physical universe, how it is mathematically impossible that consciousness can be finite, and that the universe is. His conclusion that consciousness is unique for each individual is a natural outcome of his scientific, physics-based argumentation, as is the evidence that consciousness must be infinite and eternal in order to exist. We are perceiving this short, finite, physical life, while at the same time existing in an infinite domain, unaware of it, because we are focusing on this finite Universe as a mere perception. Bray’s purpose is not to “prove” God, but to show that each of us is a unique individual consciousness that exists beyond space-time, for infinity. He goes even further to identify the truths that have been enduring and
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