THE READINESS RAPTURE: It's not just another rapture theory

[Choose Wisely]

And what happens below when the times of the Gentiles reaches its fulness?


Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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[Choose Wisely]

And what happens below when the times of the Gentiles reaches its fulness?

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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Pretty cool how you twisted to two scriptures together to ask that question. Let me untwist them for you

Rom 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Luke 21
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

As you already know they are not the same thing.

The fullness of the Gentiles will come in at the pretribulation rapture.

And look, you're right. There's another rapture when the son of man comes in the clouds. That would be the 12 tribes.

 

[Choose Wisely]

You said "Israel will be regrafted after the pretrib rapture as they become jealous."

Romans 11
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

And for those of you that believe in replacement theology read those verses carefully and you will see that the Church has not replaced Israel. Right there in the word for you to plainly see.

 

[keras]

Romans 11
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

And for those of you that believe in replacement theology read those verses carefully and you will see that the Church has not replaced Israel. Right there in the word for you to plainly see.

But has the Jewish people actually been 'provoked to jealousy'? Not noticeably!
Only 0.5% Jews are Christian. Their chance to accept Jesus has lasted nearly 2000 years, by the grace and mercy of God.
But many prophesies tell us that only a remnant of Judah will survive the forthcoming Judgement of the nations. Romans 9:27

The Church, congregation; of every born again Christian is the true Israel of God, His Overcomers of Satan and the Victorious ones, out of each of the seven Church's in Revelation, types of todays Church's.
There is no Two People, Two Promises, as you like to think.

 

[BABerean2]

Pretty cool how you twisted to two scriptures together to ask that question. Let me untwist them for you

Rom 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Luke 21
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

As you already know they are not the same thing.

The fullness of the Gentiles will come in at the pretribulation rapture.

Any unbiased reader would look at the two verses above and say they are speaking of the same time period.
However, you are not an unbiased witness.
You are attempting to make your Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, the Two Peoples of God doctrine falls apart, and its pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

This is the reality which some of us cannot acknowledge...

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[Choose Wisely]

Any unbiased reader would look at the two verses above and say they are speaking of the same time period.
However, you are not an unbiased witness.
You are attempting to make your Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, the Two Peoples of God doctrine falls apart, and its pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

This is the reality which some of us cannot acknowledge...

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All you got is cut and paste? Any reader that is paying attention will realize that the scripture says that the fullness of Israel will be greater than the fullness of the Gentiles.

And so we see the error and foolishness of replacement theology.

Once a person comes to understand the new covenant they will realize that Israel has not accepted Jesus as the prophesied Messiah. But one day they will..............and that will occur after the pretribulation rapture.

 

[Choose Wisely]

But has the Jewish people actually been 'provoked to jealousy'? Not noticeably!
Only 0.5% Jews are Christian. Their chance to accept Jesus has lasted nearly 2000 years, by the grace and mercy of God.

Thank you for proving my point. God says as I have shown in the scriptures that Israel will become jealous of the Gentiles salvation. That will occur AFTER the pretribulation rapture. The pretribulation rapture is the salvation of the Gentiles

But many prophesies tell us that only a remnant of Judah will survive the forthcoming Judgement of the nations. Romans 9:27

The scriptures also tell us all Israel will be saved.
Rom 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The scattered 12 tribes will be raptured pre wrath. It is the remnant in Israel that will flee to Petra.

The Church, congregation; of every born again Christian is the true Israel of God, His Overcomers of Satan and the Victorious ones, out of each of the seven Church's in Revelation, types of todays Church's.
There is no Two People, Two Promises, as you like to think.

The church is gone pretrib thats why you see no mention of it after Rev 4. Then God turns his attention to the 12 tribes.........just like he says and regrafts them to the olive tree........just like he says. How is it we can clearly see that the Gentiles receive salvation and then Israel is regrafted?

I also notice that you had no response to the verses I posted regarding the Church being caught away to heaven. Please feel free to respond to the scriptural proof that I provided............IF YOU CAN.

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[jgr]

Romans 11
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

And for those of you that believe in replacement theology read those verses carefully and you will see that the Church has not replaced Israel. Right there in the word for you to plainly see.

Nothing to do with replacement theology, which is a dispensational straw contrivance to mask its own racialism.

You appear to have missed the point.

Israel is genetically ubiquitous in the entire human race i.e. everyone on the planet is to at least some extent genetically Jewish.

Example of the mathematical basis of ancestral genetic ubiquity

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132800
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/tracing-lost-israelite-tribes-to-africa-1.5283901
https://www.cnn.com/2013/02/01/world/africa/nigeria-jews-igbo/index.html
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Therefore, spiritually, everyone on the planet is either a genetic Jew who is not a believer in Christ, or is a genetic Jew who is a believer in Christ.

If a pretrib rapture occurs, it removes those genetic Jews who are believers in Christ, but leaves behind those genetic Jews who are not believers in Christ.

But because those left behind are all genetic Jews, they will all be regrafted based on their DNA.

In other words, they will all experience universal salvation.

Which is undeniably contrary to Scripture (Matthew 25:41,46; Mark 9:44, John 3:18,36).

 

[BABerean2]

And so we see the error and foolishness of replacement theology.

You have replaced the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.

You have replaced the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8.

You have replaced the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles.


So who is really promoting the error of "Replacement Theology"?


Great Errors in Dispensational Eschatology: Pastor John Otis

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[Blade]

Well I don't see the "caught up" rapture in Matt. Well how can He talk about something He doesnt know? Well did He lie to the 12 saying I am going back to make you a home? Are we to think He knew HE would never come back for over 2000y yet told the 12.. if I go I will come back for you get you/take you /receive you unto my self so WHERE (where is He?) I am you will be. WHERE I go you know. WOW talk about misleading.. deceiving. No.. He told them the truth.

So.. from what I read only thing He knew was after He rose.. nothing had to happen for Him to get us.. other then the FATHER saying when. They asked Him are you going to rule know? He said? Of those times and seasons ONLY the Father knows.

All I read and understand is.. voice shout trump.. dead rise.. we then go with them to meet Christ in the AIR. To then be with Him forever. And yet for Him its only been a tad over 2 days. Yet from that day He rose PRAISE GOD GLORY TO JESUS! Till this very day. One would think Jesus would have told someone right? Someone had to have prayed fasted.. for days weeks months years. Yet.. still NO ONE has a clue. The world is saying even louder .. you been saying He is coming for thousands of year, then laugh.

So...I am ready NOW! Every moment.. I am ready. He can not lie. HE said He will come get us.. and He will period

 

[keras]

I also notice that you had no response to the verses I posted regarding the Church being caught away to heaven. Please feel free to respond to the scriptural proof that I provided............IF YOU CAN.

I have seen no scripture that says the Church will be taken to heaven. [Staff edit].

 

[seventysevens]

Israel is genetically ubiquitous in the entire human race i.e. everyone on the planet is to at least some extent genetically Jewish.

And so is every other ethic race genetically found in every human- but in such minuscule fraction of percentages it is really irrelevant to bring it up - as in IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT OR RELEVANCE TO SCRIPTURE -

Given DNA's complete irrelevance to God, it should also be of complete irrelevance to us.

Exactly right; DNA has no value in biblical terms

 

[BABerean2]

And so is every other ethic race genetically found in every human- but in such minuscule fraction of percentages it is really irrelevant to bring it up - as in IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT OR RELEVANCE TO SCRIPTURE -

So how much of Jacob's DNA does a person need to call himself a part of "Israel"?

What is the standard?


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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[Chinchilla]

All you got is cut and paste? Any reader that is paying attention will realize that the scripture says that the fullness of Israel will be greater than the fullness of the Gentiles.

And so we see the error and foolishness of replacement theology.

Once a person comes to understand the new covenant they will realize that Israel has not accepted Jesus as the prophesied Messiah. But one day they will..............and that will occur after the pretribulation rapture.

I don't think that they will accept at pre-tribulation rapture , they will accept the false Messiah the antichrist .

 

[Choose Wisely]

Nothing to do with replacement theology, which is a dispensational straw contrivance to mask its own racialism.

You appear to have missed the point.

Israel is genetically ubiquitous in the entire human race i.e. everyone on the planet is to at least some extent genetically Jewish.

Example of the mathematical basis of ancestral genetic ubiquity

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132800
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/tracing-lost-israelite-tribes-to-africa-1.5283901
https://www.cnn.com/2013/02/01/world/africa/nigeria-jews-igbo/index.html
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Therefore, spiritually, everyone on the planet is either a genetic Jew who is not a believer in Christ, or is a genetic Jew who is a believer in Christ.

If a pretrib rapture occurs, it removes those genetic Jews who are believers in Christ, but leaves behind those genetic Jews who are not believers in Christ.

But because those left behind are all genetic Jews, they will all be regrafted based on their DNA.

In other words, they will all experience universal salvation.

Which is undeniably contrary to Scripture (Matthew 25:41,46; Mark 9:44, John 3:18,36).

I could care less about genetics. Not my job to know who is Gentile or of the 12 tribes. God knows....simple as that. Those that accept the Jesus as the Messiah will be saved...... Not my job to figure out that either. As for your universal salvation conclusion.........Please quit drawing false conclusions and then trying to put those words in my mouth. Here is what I believe, draw your conclusions with that.
Acts 4
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Why is it so hard for some of you to believe that God is going to do exactly what he says.

 

[jgr]

I could care less about genetics. Not my job to know who is Gentile or of the 12 tribes. God knows....simple as that. Those that accept the Jesus as the Messiah will be saved...... Not my job to figure out that either. As for your universal salvation conclusion.........Please quit drawing false conclusions and then trying to put those words in my mouth. Here is what I believe, draw your conclusions with that.
Acts 4
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Why is it so hard for some of you to believe that God is going to do exactly what he says.

Presumably you meant "I couldn't care less about genetics", otherwise you do care.

But if you don't, why do you still refer to "Israel" or "Jew" other than spiritually? Those are genetic descriptions.

What God knows is who are His Only Chosen People of faith in and obedience to His Son; and who are not. (Galatians 3:28,29).

Nothing to do with genetics, nor ever has been. (Genesis 17:12)

 

[jgr]

And so is every other ethic race genetically found in every human- but in such minuscule fraction of percentages it is really irrelevant to bring it up - as in IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT OR RELEVANCE TO SCRIPTURE -

Absolutely true. Therefore, with the physical DNA of Israel and the Jew being completely irrelevant to God, it is only their spiritual DNA that He is concerned with.

 

[seventysevens]

So how much of Jacob's DNA does a person need to call himself a part of "Israel"?


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The whole foundation of amillennialism is to say that all are Israel and reject that satan is locked in prison for 1000 years when Jesus returns m so there is no limit to what extant you'll go to say that all are Israel , to actually admit there is a difference between spiritual Israel and the people who live in and born in Israel would be to admit defeat

 

[seventysevens]

spiritual DNA

You won't find that in a science lab

 

[jgr]

You won't find that in a science lab

God finished His lab work at Calvary.