THE READINESS RAPTURE: It's not just another rapture theory

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This may seem kind of strange to some, but when I got saved in the summer of 1989, the Lord told me I was going to write, even though I wasn’t even a writer then. I’ll spare you the long story of how all of that unfolded, but for those who want to know, you can read about it in the Introduction of my book, “Who Will Be Ready When the Trumpet Sounds?” Just click the link at the bottom of this post and you can read the book Introduction and a few pages of the first chapter after clicking on the book image. Yes, it may seem strange, nevertheless, many years later I would go on to publish a Christian book, which really isn’t that uncommon these days. But what is really odd, even to me, is that my book also contains a brand new rapture theory that just seems to have developed accidentally. I mean, it was never my intention to create a new rapture theory. It just seemed to happen somehow, when I was breaking down the scriptures and writing my commentary in my manuscript, which took me seven long years.
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It seems that I’m arriving very late to the rapture debate, but this is my calling nonetheless. Many have grown weary of the rapture issue of late, as it’s become very controversial these days. Some even try avoid this subject altogether by proclaiming a belief in a so-called pan-theory, saying that it will all pan out in the end – end of subject. No doubt, it will all certainly pan out, but that, in my view, is just a cop-out. This is not a subject that Christians should be trying to avoid, not when Christ repeatedly warned us to keep watch and be ready, saying His coming will occur when we least expect it. He also gave us signs and seasons so that we might know when His coming is near. But what a shame it is that many churches these days avoid this subject like the plague, and most of them are fast asleep.
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I can’t prove that God told me I was going to write, so I won’t even try. There’s no need to prove that. As they often say, “The proof is in the pudding.” Soon you’ll see that the Readiness Rapture theory is very different indeed. The only reason I call it a theory, though, is because it hasn’t happened yet. You’re about to discover, in this blog post, without reading my book, what sets my theory apart from all others. And since God did not call me to echo what other scholars are saying, my message should be very different, groundbreaking, and even revolutionary, not to be confused with popular. I don’t want to say too much about the other more established theories, but I will explain one grave error they have all made regarding Matthew 24.
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Now let’s take a brief look at the two most popular rapture theories. Pre-tribulation rapture scholars created the popular Left Behind series. They believe Matthew 24 only relates to the physical second coming of Christ, not the rapture. They believe Matt. 24 speaks to Israel or the Jews only, not the Church. On the other hand, Post-tribulation scholars believe Matt. 24 relates to both the rapture and the second coming, and that both events will happen on the same day. I disagree with both positions above, but I’d give post-tribbers some credit for recognizing the rapture and that it occurs after the tribulation; but they are incorrect about the second coming in Matt. 24. In my view, there’s no second coming in Matt. 24, only the rapture. I’ll say it again. The appearing of the sign of the Son of man is the rapture only, not His physical second coming to the earth. This is not only what I believe, but I can also prove it.
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The grave mistake that scholars have made regarding Matthew 24 is that they have all reached their conclusions after reading only half of the text. They all believe Matt. 24 is the second coming, but it’s only the sign of His coming, not His actual second coming to the earth. If only they had read Christ’s entire answer, they might have discovered this truth hundreds of years ago. You see, His disciples didn’t just ask Him about the sign of His coming only, but also about end of the age as well (Matt. 24:3). But Christ’s answer did not conclude at the end of chapter 24, where most scholars end their study. His answer ended at the end of chapter 25 instead, where He actually told us about His second coming/end of the age. The trouble is that Christ included a very complex series of parables in between, which has been a stumbling-block to scholars for nearly two millennia. To fully understand His answer we must correctly interpret not just one, but all of these parables, and only then can we finally see His grand design.
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Matthew 24:3 (KJV) – “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”
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One of the things I’ve discovered is that Christ actually told us about both events, the rapture and the second coming. Verse (31) is a key verse in both chapters, and we should never lose sight of this groundbreaking revelation.
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Matthew 24:31 = Rapture
Matthew 25:31 = Second coming/end of the age
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Hopefully, this discovery will end the rapture/second coming debate regarding Matthew 24. But still, the parables in between these two verses have been a stumbling block that has baffled scholars for nearly 2000 years. In fact, most Christians disregard Christ’s teaching altogether, believing instead that Paul was the one who actually introduced us to the mysterious rapture, but that is not exactly true. The truth is that Paul was the first to reveal this mystery to Gentile believers. But Christ had already taught this mystery to His disciples, even though they were slow to understand it all, because He told them about it before they had received the Holy Spirit. He told them that He was going away to His Father’s house to prepare a place for them, and that He would come again and receive them to Himself…And Matthew 24 and 25 filled in the rest of the blanks.
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John 14:2-3 (KJV) – “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. (3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
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Now I’m not trying to minimize Paul’s part in this mystery, not in the least. He added some very important clues as well, when he was discussing the resurrection. And when all of the clues are added together collectively, it is then that we can finally see the big picture. Paul gave us random clues about this mystery, but it was none other than Christ, Himself, that laid it all out for everyone to see, even though we have failed to see it all these years. This mystery has remained unsolved all these years because of all the parables He used in His layout. In some of His other parables, He would sometimes give His disciples the interpretation, but not in these parables about the sign of His coming and the end of the age. No, He left this series of parables for us to figure out, even though no one would for nearly 2000 years. No doubt, it was impossible to solve this mystery by reading chapter 24 alone, so I’m glad I was led to keep going.
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Now that we’ve established that Christ told us about both the rapture and the second coming, with several parables in between, what is the significance of these parables? In my book I gave a complete breakdown and interpretation of these puzzling parables, but that took up three (3) entire chapters, so I won’t be able to do that in this short post. I will, however, tell you what these parables represent and what they mean, but let me warn you; this is revolutionary as it changes everything. Discovering the second coming and the end of the age in Matthew 25 was huge, but then He gave me the insight to finally understand these parables, and it totally blew my mind!
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So His second coming is actually in Matthew 25, where Christ will actually return to judge the nations. However, before He can judge the nations, He must first judge the house of God (1 Pet. 4:17-18), and this is what we see in the parables that are in between His appearing and His second coming. These parables provide clues about the judgment seat of Christ. In fact, the rapture and second coming are both two separate judgments. The apostle Paul briefly told us about the judgment seat of Christ (2 Cor. 5:10), but he failed to give us any clues about it whatsoever. Nor did he tell us when or where the judgment seat of Christ would be held.
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1 Peter 4:17-18 (KJV) – “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? (18) And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
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Two Judgments:
2 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;”

 

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Many scholars simply assume the Church will be raptured into the clouds, for the judgment seat of Christ, but scripture in no way supports this assumption. This is a common belief now, but assumptions like this can keep us from seeing the truth. Jesus simply said the angels will gather together His elect (chosen). Many also claim the Church or all born again believers will be raptured based on their salvation experience, but the scriptures do not support this either.
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Some have recognized that not every believer will be ready, and they believe that only true believers will be raptured instead. However, the Bible mentions nothing about so-called true believers, but Jesus did mention cold, hot and lukewarm believers and He warned that His servants must be ready. This assumption is why I believe the other rapture theories are inferior, leaving many believers with a false sense of security. They don’t go deep enough, and have too many holes that they just fill with more assumptions. This is why His parables are too important to neglect or ignore, because they contain all of the clues about the rewards believers will receive when He returns.
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Revelation 3:15-16 (NIV) – “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth”
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Christ was the only one that mentioned anything about the cold, hot and lukewarm believers. He warned us to be ready, not to assume we will all be ready. He gave His parables as clues about His judgment seat. We will not be rewarded for receiving Christ as our savior. That was a free gift to everyone who receives Him, the very moment they receive Him. But that was only our first step, the beginning of our new life in Him. Our rewards, on the other hand, will not be known or given until He returns, and these will be based on the works we’ve done after we received Him. No one ever teaches this, but these scriptures should never be ignored. Three different rewards will given to the cold, hot and lukewarm believers, and it should be noted that punishment is also involved (see Luke 12:35-48).
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2 Corinthians 5:10 (NIV) – “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.”
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Matthew 16:27 (KJV) – “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
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Revelation 22:12 (KJV) – “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”
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Many believe the Church will be raptured and meet in the clouds for the judgment seat of Christ, but again, I’d stress caution with this assumption. I see another possibility. God’s ways are higher than mans’ ways. On the earth, men must make an appearance in a court of law, where they can present their case before a judge. But this will not be necessary in the Supreme Court of the universe. Jesus is already seated on His throne. There’s no need to present any evidence. Why, because He already knows, and scripture tells us that nothing we say or do on this earth is hidden from Him. All of the evidence will already be recorded in the books in heaven as a permanent record. I can’t prove this, of course, but I have a strong hunch this is the way it will be. It seems that His judgment will already be made, because He said He’s bringing our reward with Him when He comes. He will give to each their portion, and some servants, He says, will be left with the unbelievers (Luke 12:46). Read it for yourself. This is why He warned us to be ready.
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Hebrews 4:13 – “Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”
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Revelation 3:15 – “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
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Luke 12:46 – “The master of that servant will come in a day when he thinketh not, and at an hour when he is not aware of, and will cut him off, and give him his portion with the unbelievers.”
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Luke 21:34-36 – “Take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts become burdened by excessiveness and drunkenness and anxieties of life, and that Day comes on you unexpectedly. 35 For as a snare it will come on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Therefore watch always and pray that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen and to stand before the Son of Man.”
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So Paul wasn’t the only one to teach about the rapture. He was only part of this equation. In fact, we might even say that he summed it all up and/or confirmed what Daniel and Christ had said about this subject previously. My book actually begins in Daniel 12, where the prophet Daniel was given a prophecy about the time of the end, a future time of trouble (tribulation) not seen since there was a nation, followed immediately by the resurrection. Then he was suddenly told to shut up the words and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. Many scholars believe Daniel’s prophecy foretells the increase of modern technology, but this is precisely where my first major discovery begins. And I contend that it has more to do with the resurrection/rapture. As I proved in my book, the New Testament is the increase of knowledge, when Daniel’s prophecy was actually continued. Daniel was ordered to shut up the words and seal the book right after he was told about the resurrection, but later Christ and Paul increased knowledge about this mystery in the New Testament.
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Introducing my new mathematical biblical formula about the increase of knowledge:
Resurrection (Dan. 12:2, 1 Thes. 4:16)
Rapture (Matt. 24:31, 1 Thes. 4:17)
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Resurrection + Rapture = Resurrection / Rapture
Daniel 12:1-2 + Matthew 24:29-31 = 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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The resurrection was taught in the Old Testament, while the rapture was taught in the New Testament. Just as Christ was concealed in the Old Testament and revealed in the New Testament, the same can be said about the resurrection and rapture. Daniel told us about the resurrection just before he was told to shut up the words and seal the book. Christ later added the rapture of the living and Paul confirmed both. Daniel knew nothing about the rapture of the living, and Christ said nothing about the dead when He concluded Daniel’s prophecy (increased knowledge). There are many fascinating details about this in my book, too many to post here. I warned you this might be revolutionary, not to mention very sobering as well. Many will fall away, some believers will be ready, and others (lukewarm) will be martyred during the hour of temptation. Most people don’t know it yet, but this mystery is hereby solved.
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Matthew 13:33 (KJV) – “Another parable He spoke to them: “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened.”
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There is one other important thing I should briefly discuss before I close, which is why the rapture and second coming cannot occur on the same day. I wrote about this in the last chapter of my book, and this is where the fulfillment of the fall feasts come into play. Just as Christ fulfilled the spring feasts (Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits & Pentecost) during His first coming, He will likewise fulfill the fall feasts (Trumpets, Atonement & Tabernacles) upon His return. These ancient feasts foretell the Lord’s appointed times, and will include the rapture, saving Israel and the second coming/judgment of the nations/end of the age. The fall feasts will take three (3) weeks to complete, and other events in between them will include the wedding supper for those who are ready, and the hour of temptation for those who aren’t, when many martyrs will be killed. And finally, the end of the tribulation is not the end of the age as many believe. There will be an additional 45 days after the tribulation, and Daniel also provided us with the timeline.
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Daniel 12:8-13 (KJV) – “And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? (9) And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. (10) Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. (11) And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (12) Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (13) But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.”
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My theory may never become popular, but when all is said and done, it just might be the last one standing. All praises to God and glory to His name!
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For additional information and confirmation of the Readiness Rapture theory, you may also be interested in the following posts:
https://ruready.blog/2017/08/05/the-apostle-paul-also-mentioned-different-rewards-for-individual-believers-as-well/
https://ruready.blog/2017/06/17/parable-of-the-sower-3-types-of-believer-and-their-rewards/
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Cheers

 

[seventysevens]

This be a duplicate thread , that you have made this thread previously - you thinking it will go better this time around ?

 

[keras]

[Staff edit].

We will have to face trials, 1 Peter 4:12, but God will not test us beyond what we can stand. 1 Corinthians 10:13 Those who keep their faith will receive their reward. Matthew 16:27

 

[Choose Wisely]

We will have to face trials, 1 Peter 4:12, but God will not test us beyond what we can stand. 1 Corinthians 10:13 Those who keep their faith will receive their reward. Matthew 16:27

Here, let me help you.
John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[keras]

Here, let me help you.
John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Would be good if you explained exactly how those verses prove a rapture to heaven of the church. They say nothing about anyone going to heaven. You make that idea up.

I see verse 2 as referring to the New Jerusalem, that will come down to earth after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7
Verse 3 is about the Return of Jesus to earth, where all those who remained faithful to God during all the things before that, will be gathered to Him, Matthew 24:30-31, so they will always be with Him.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Would be good if you explained exactly how those verses prove a rapture to heaven of the church. They say nothing about anyone going to heaven. You make that idea up.

I see verse 2 as referring to the New Jerusalem, that will come down to earth after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7
Verse 3 is about the Return of Jesus to earth, where all those who remained faithful to God during all the things before that, will be gathered to Him, Matthew 24:30-31, so they will always be with Him.

Here, let me help you.
1 thes 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Choose Wisely]

This may seem kind of strange to some, but when I got saved in the summer of 1989, the Lord told me I was going to write, even though I wasn’t even a writer then. I’ll spare you the long story of how all of that unfolded, but for those who want to know, you can read about it in the Introduction of my book, “Who Will Be Ready When the Trumpet Sounds?” Just click the link at the bottom of this post and you can read the book Introduction and a few pages of the first chapter after clicking on the book image. Yes, it may seem strange, nevertheless, many years later I would go on to publish a Christian book, which really isn’t that uncommon these days. But what is really odd, even to me, is that my book also contains a brand new rapture theory that just seems to have developed accidentally. I mean, it was never my intention to create a new rapture theory. It just seemed to happen somehow, when I was breaking down the scriptures and writing my commentary in my manuscript, which took me seven long years.
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It seems that I’m arriving very late to the rapture debate, but this is my calling nonetheless. Many have grown weary of the rapture issue of late, as it’s become very controversial these days. Some even try avoid this subject altogether by proclaiming a belief in a so-called pan-theory, saying that it will all pan out in the end – end of subject. No doubt, it will all certainly pan out, but that, in my view, is just a cop-out. This is not a subject that Christians should be trying to avoid, not when Christ repeatedly warned us to keep watch and be ready, saying His coming will occur when we least expect it. He also gave us signs and seasons so that we might know when His coming is near. But what a shame it is that many churches these days avoid this subject like the plague, and most of them are fast asleep.
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I can’t prove that God told me I was going to write, so I won’t even try. There’s no need to prove that. As they often say, “The proof is in the pudding.” Soon you’ll see that the Readiness Rapture theory is very different indeed. The only reason I call it a theory, though, is because it hasn’t happened yet. You’re about to discover, in this blog post, without reading my book, what sets my theory apart from all others. And since God did not call me to echo what other scholars are saying, my message should be very different, groundbreaking, and even revolutionary, not to be confused with popular. I don’t want to say too much about the other more established theories, but I will explain one grave error they have all made regarding Matthew 24.
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Now let’s take a brief look at the two most popular rapture theories. Pre-tribulation rapture scholars created the popular Left Behind series. They believe Matthew 24 only relates to the physical second coming of Christ, not the rapture. They believe Matt. 24 speaks to Israel or the Jews only, not the Church. On the other hand, Post-tribulation scholars believe Matt. 24 relates to both the rapture and the second coming, and that both events will happen on the same day. I disagree with both positions above, but I’d give post-tribbers some credit for recognizing the rapture and that it occurs after the tribulation; but they are incorrect about the second coming in Matt. 24. In my view, there’s no second coming in Matt. 24, only the rapture. I’ll say it again. The appearing of the sign of the Son of man is the rapture only, not His physical second coming to the earth. This is not only what I believe, but I can also prove it.
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The grave mistake that scholars have made regarding Matthew 24 is that they have all reached their conclusions after reading only half of the text. They all believe Matt. 24 is the second coming, but it’s only the sign of His coming, not His actual second coming to the earth. If only they had read Christ’s entire answer, they might have discovered this truth hundreds of years ago. You see, His disciples didn’t just ask Him about the sign of His coming only, but also about end of the age as well (Matt. 24:3). But Christ’s answer did not conclude at the end of chapter 24, where most scholars end their study. His answer ended at the end of chapter 25 instead, where He actually told us about His second coming/end of the age. The trouble is that Christ included a very complex series of parables in between, which has been a stumbling-block to scholars for nearly two millennia. To fully understand His answer we must correctly interpret not just one, but all of these parables, and only then can we finally see His grand design.
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Matthew 24:3 (KJV) – “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”
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One of the things I’ve discovered is that Christ actually told us about both events, the rapture and the second coming. Verse (31) is a key verse in both chapters, and we should never lose sight of this groundbreaking revelation.
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Matthew 24:31 = Rapture
Matthew 25:31 = Second coming/end of the age
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Hopefully, this discovery will end the rapture/second coming debate regarding Matthew 24. But still, the parables in between these two verses have been a stumbling block that has baffled scholars for nearly 2000 years. In fact, most Christians disregard Christ’s teaching altogether, believing instead that Paul was the one who actually introduced us to the mysterious rapture, but that is not exactly true. The truth is that Paul was the first to reveal this mystery to Gentile believers. But Christ had already taught this mystery to His disciples, even though they were slow to understand it all, because He told them about it before they had received the Holy Spirit. He told them that He was going away to His Father’s house to prepare a place for them, and that He would come again and receive them to Himself…And Matthew 24 and 25 filled in the rest of the blanks.
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John 14:2-3 (KJV) – “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. (3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
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Now I’m not trying to minimize Paul’s part in this mystery, not in the least. He added some very important clues as well, when he was discussing the resurrection. And when all of the clues are added together collectively, it is then that we can finally see the big picture. Paul gave us random clues about this mystery, but it was none other than Christ, Himself, that laid it all out for everyone to see, even though we have failed to see it all these years. This mystery has remained unsolved all these years because of all the parables He used in His layout. In some of His other parables, He would sometimes give His disciples the interpretation, but not in these parables about the sign of His coming and the end of the age. No, He left this series of parables for us to figure out, even though no one would for nearly 2000 years. No doubt, it was impossible to solve this mystery by reading chapter 24 alone, so I’m glad I was led to keep going.
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Now that we’ve established that Christ told us about both the rapture and the second coming, with several parables in between, what is the significance of these parables? In my book I gave a complete breakdown and interpretation of these puzzling parables, but that took up three (3) entire chapters, so I won’t be able to do that in this short post. I will, however, tell you what these parables represent and what they mean, but let me warn you; this is revolutionary as it changes everything. Discovering the second coming and the end of the age in Matthew 25 was huge, but then He gave me the insight to finally understand these parables, and it totally blew my mind!
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So His second coming is actually in Matthew 25, where Christ will actually return to judge the nations. However, before He can judge the nations, He must first judge the house of God (1 Pet. 4:17-18), and this is what we see in the parables that are in between His appearing and His second coming. These parables provide clues about the judgment seat of Christ. In fact, the rapture and second coming are both two separate judgments. The apostle Paul briefly told us about the judgment seat of Christ (2 Cor. 5:10), but he failed to give us any clues about it whatsoever. Nor did he tell us when or where the judgment seat of Christ would be held.
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1 Peter 4:17-18 (KJV) – “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? (18) And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
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Two Judgments:
2 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;”

I totally agree with you that the coming of the Lord in Matt 24, when all eyes will see Him, is a rapture and not the second coming when he sets up His kingdom on earth.

What you are missing is that there is a group of people that are told ......4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. These people would be the 12 tribes which are scattered across the earth. This is proven by the 144,000 first fruits in Revelation. It will be like the days of Lot, destruction comes the day Lot leaves Sodom. The remnant is left in Israel to flee as instructed. The 12 tribes are raptured at the last trump on the Feast of Trumpets. Prewrath rapture.......

A different group of people is told:
Matt 24
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
These people are the Gentiles........the Church. It will be like the days of Noah. Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood and the ark doors are closed by God. Pretribulation rapture..........

 

[BABerean2]

These people are the Gentiles........the Church.

The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".

It started on the Day of Pentecost with about 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" in the passage below.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.



Paul calls himself an "Israelite", even after his conversion, in the passage below.
He uses the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both Israelite and Gentile branches grafted together into the same tree.


Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


Even to this day, the Church as a whole continues to be made up of all races of people.

In the modern State of Israel thousands of young people are turning to Christ, every year.

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[keras]

Here, let me help you.
1 thes 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is a prophecy about Jesus' Return. He comes to the earth and those faithful people who are alive and remain, are gathered to Him. As proved by Matthew 24:30-31
Two fails so far; if God does really intend to take His people to heaven, there must be some scriptural proof. Where is it?
But what there is plenty of; is how we must face trials, endure and stay strong in our faith in God. Revelation 13:10

 

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1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is a prophecy about Jesus' Return. He comes to the earth and those faithful people who are alive and remain, are gathered to Him. As proved by Matthew 24:30-31
Two fails so far; if God does really intend to take His people to heaven, there must be some scriptural proof. Where is it?
But what there is plenty of; is how we must face trials, endure and stay strong in our faith in God. Revelation 13:10

Here let me help you.
This is the coming you see in Matt 24 prior to the wrath of God

Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Here is the people in heaven prior to the wrath.

Rev 6
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Here is the same great multitude in heaven during the wrath of God.

Rev 19
1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great harlot, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Here is God and His army returning to earth..........the second coming.

Rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

 

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The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".

It started on the Day of Pentecost with about 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" in the passage below.

The Church is mostly Gentile right now. Look around. The natural branches have been broken off and the Gentiles are grafted. Israel will be regrafted after the pretrib rapture as they become jealous. They will understand what has happened when the rapture occurs as likely it will happen on Pentecost the early summer harvest feast.

You seem to deny facts. In case you didn't notice there is a nation of Israel today so Israel is not the Church.

 

[BABerean2]

The Church is mostly Gentile right now. Look around. The natural branches have been broken off and the Gentiles are grafted. Israel will be regrafted after the pretrib rapture as they become jealous. They will understand what has happened when the rapture occurs as likely it will happen on Pentecost the early summer harvest feast.

You seem to deny facts. In case you didn't notice there is a nation of Israel today so Israel is not the Church.

You started with the fact that the Church is "mostly" Gentile right now.
In doing this you just admitted that we now have a Church made up of all races of people.

Then you turned around and made the blanket statement that the natural branches have been broken off.
Not only are you ignoring your previous true statement, but you are also ignoring Paul's reference to the "remnant" in Romans 11:1-5.

These statements are not in agreement.
How are you going to make a reconciliation?

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[jgr]

The Church is mostly Gentile right now. Look around. The natural branches have been broken off and the Gentiles are grafted. Israel will be regrafted after the pretrib rapture as they become jealous. They will understand what has happened when the rapture occurs as likely it will happen on Pentecost the early summer harvest feast.

You seem to deny facts. In case you didn't notice there is a nation of Israel today so Israel is not the Church.

Israel is genetically in all of us.

Will everyone left after the rapture be regrafted?

The name for that is "universalism".

 

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You started with the fact that the Church is "mostly" Gentile right now.
In doing this you just admitted that we now have a Church made up of all races of people.

Then you turned around and made the blanket statement that the natural branches have been broken off.
Not only are you ignoring your previous true statement, but you are also ignoring Paul's reference to the "remnant" in Romans 11:1-5.

These statements are not in agreement.
How are you going to make a reconciliation?

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No problem

Rom 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.[/QUOTE]

 

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Israel is genetically in all of us.

Will everyone left after the rapture be regrafted?

The name for that is "universalism".

Everyone left after which rapture???

 

[BABerean2]

No problem

Rom 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

[/QUOTE]

And what happens below when the times of the Gentiles reaches its fulness?


Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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[Petros2015]

Resurrection + Rapture = Resurrection / Rapture

I don't know what you did there, but I'm pretty sure you can't do that.

 

[jgr]

Everyone left after which rapture???

You said "Israel will be regrafted after the pretrib rapture as they become jealous."

 

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And what happens below when the times of the Gentiles reaches its fulness?


Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Pretty cool how you twisted to two scriptures together to ask that question. Let me untwist them for you

Rom 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Luke 21
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

As you already know they are not the same thing.

The fullness of the Gentiles will come in at the pretribulation rapture.

And look, you're right. There's another rapture when the son of man comes in the clouds. That would be the 12 tribes.