THE READINESS RAPTURE: It's not just another rapture theory

[seventysevens]

You'll notice that there is no reference in Galatians 3 to physical DNA as a condition for God's acceptance.

But there certainly is to spiritual DNA "in Christ".

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The same is true of the entirety of Scripture.

Israel is genetically ubiquitous in the entire human race i.e. everyone on the planet is to at least some extent genetically Jewish. The Jewish community itself acknowledges and applauds this reality.

Abraham lineage
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Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132800
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/tracing-lost-israelite-tribes-to-africa-1.5283901
https://www.cnn.com/2013/02/01/world/africa/nigeria-jews-igbo/index.html
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical basis of ancestral genetic ubiquity

DNA as a condition for spiritual chosenness is therefore null and void.

If you think you know more about Jewish genetics than the Jews themselves know about their own genetics, I'm sure they would welcome your enlightenment.

Like I said

You need to do research of your own
Notice that in all of the bible , very very few times is a last name given for the people in the bible , most times it will say -
Here is Joseph son of "fathers name here " the Israelite , or Canaanite or whatever they were , DNA science was never known to exist in those days but yet they were very well able to know the ethnic heritage of everyone - because of the maternal bloodline

DNA science has been severely taken advantage of for the purposes of making money , there is DNA of just about every ethic group in everyone and all that is needed for scientists to make big money is to say - take this test , expensive and only the scientists really know and they aren't telling , this is one reason why the orthodox rabbis do not really approve of these tests , while others find a way to cash in on it - the whole matter of trying to use DNA as a way to say people are a Jew is ridiculous -

As God declared there are Israel and there are Gentiles , a person is not a Jew and Gentile both that is nonsense , the ratio of Gentile to Jew is vastly outnumbering the Jews ,

if people say the Gentile church you'll complain the church is not Gentile , but the you'll say that everyone is Israel and Israel is not a Gentile - none of it is any level of sensibility- but since you are so immersed into this nonsense it would take a whole lot of time to prove all the fallacy of this nonsense -

then the other is that your entire doctrine is totally dependent upon everyone being Israel that you'll likely never really get it

- This is just merely scraping the surface of all the problems this notion really has ,

 

[jgr]

it would take a whole lot of time to prove all the fallacy of this nonsense -

I have all the time you would need.

Start simply. Disprove the mathematics cited here:
Example of the mathematical basis of ancestral genetic ubiquity

Good luck.

 

[BABerean2]

[Staff edit].

The most important genealogy in the Bible is found in Matthew 1:1.
This is confirmed by the Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:16.

On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts of the Apostles 2:36. When the Church first began almost all of its members were Israelites. The Gentiles were grafted in several years later.
Therefore, the Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".
It is to bad that those of us who speak the truth on the issue are exposing your Two Peoples of God doctrine for what it really is.

Paul considered himself an "Israelite", even after his conversion, it Romans 11:1.

James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith", in James 1:1-3.

[Staff edit].

What happens to a modern Jew who dies without faith in Christ?

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[keras]

Enoch ?

The Spiritual transformation of Enoch and Elijah in ancient times, doesn't in any way make a general 'rapture to heaven' of the Church today, possible.
You are really clutching at straws to make them any kind of rapture proof.

 

[keras]

PROVE your case
Rev 12 speak of those in the area of Israel - NOT the entire planet , Petra is a small location and cannot possible hold 2 Billion Christians

I asked you to prove YOUR case. But as I know you can't do that from scripture, your best option is to throw it back at me. Very telling and bring up other issues such as Petra, is just another red herring.
But to humor you, I have been to Petra and even a hundred people would be hard pressed to survive there. The place of safety for the Christians, Revelation 12:14, will be the other side of the world, possibly my country of New Zealand.
The Great Tribulation will be the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, an extremely hard time for those who have the mark of the beast. But it lasts for just 3 1/2 years, then Jesus Returns.

 

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[seventysevens]

I asked you to prove YOUR case. But as I know you can't do that from scripture, your best option is to throw it back at me. Very telling and bring up other issues such as Petra, is just another red herring.
But to humor you, I have been to Petra and even a hundred people would be hard pressed to survive there. The place of safety for the Christians, Revelation 12:14, will be the other side of the world, possibly my country of New Zealand.
The Great Tribulation will be the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, an extremely hard time for those who have the mark of the beast. But it lasts for just 3 1/2 years, then Jesus Returns.

The other side of the world eh ? well exactly where and how will people in Israel running for their lives get to the other side of the world ?What scripture do you have that says it will be on the other side of the world ?

You obviously have no understanding of why there will be "the hour or trial" I spoke of , and obviously you only give the most basic info that anyone can see readily of how long it lasts , but Jesus does call it "the hour or trial" , you do not know why it happens but yet you say you are right , Scripture makes reference to the area of Petra , bet you don't know why

 

[seventysevens]

I have all the time you would need.

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Unfortunately none of the understanding you'll need , as you just don't understand , it is not about math

 

[jgr]

Unfortunately none of the understanding you'll need , as you just don't understand , it is not about math

It's about the truth.

The math confirms the truth.

 

[keras]

The other side of the world eh ? well exactly where and how will people in Israel running for their lives get to the other side of the world ?What scripture do you have that says it will be on the other side of the world ?

God says He will fly them on the wings of a mighty eagle.... Revelation 12:14
I see this as metaphorical, but aircraft could do it.

From the ends of the earth, we hear them sing, a righteous nation, giving glory to the Lord. Isaiah 24:16a

I want you to know, 77's that I bear no animosity toward you, or to anyone unfortunate enough to have been taught false theories and doctrines. Our discussions enable me to present the truth, as rebuttal; in a way I couldn't otherwise.
Thank you for perseverance, even though it is misplaced! We will meet someday and remember these days.

 

[BABerean2]

IT IS a Distinct "hour of Trial " a specific period of time for a specific purpose unlike any other time in all of history-

The "hour" of trial is found below.

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


The timing of the event above is found in Revelation chapter 11.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Chinchilla]

The Spiritual transformation of Enoch and Elijah in ancient times, doesn't in any way make a general 'rapture to heaven' of the Church today, possible.
You are really clutching at straws to make them any kind of rapture proof.

Paul caught to 3rd heaven ?

 

[keras]

Paul caught to 3rd heaven ?

Or John receiving a vision in heaven. Revelation 4:1-2
Both these instances are a very short term spiritual trip for special reasons. They cannot be construed as a precursor to a general 'rapture to heaven'.
There is no removal to heaven for anyone in these end times, just as there wasn't in all the ages past. Read and understand Revelation 13:10. It isn't nice to think it, but many have been tested unto death before, are now today and will be again.
But God does promise protection for His people, all who call upon His Name. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

 

[Chinchilla]

Or John receiving a vision in heaven. Revelation 4:1-2
Both these instances are a very short term spiritual trip for special reasons. They cannot be construed as a precursor to a general 'rapture to heaven'.
There is no removal to heaven for anyone in these end times, just as there wasn't in all the ages past. Read and understand Revelation 13:10. It isn't nice to think it, but many have been tested unto death before, are now today and will be again.
But God does promise protection for His people, all who call upon His Name. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

Proverbs 1:28

 

[keras]

Proverbs 1:28

This verse has no relevance to a supposed 'rapture'.
Please either conduct a proper discussion, or leave off posting.

 

[Chinchilla]

This verse has no relevance to a supposed 'rapture'.
Please either conduct a proper discussion, or leave off posting.

So Joel is ok but Salomon and his proverbs not ?

Who is the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2
2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

[keras]

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

While you use the KJV, we won't be able to discuss Bible issues.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For already the secret forces of wickedness are at work, secret only for the present until the restraining Hand is removed from the scene. REBible

 

[Chinchilla]

While you use the KJV, we won't be able to discuss Bible issues.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For already the secret forces of wickedness are at work, secret only for the present until the restraining Hand is removed from the scene. REBible

KJV not word of God ? Or simply does not fit your doctrine so you don't use it ?

 

[Choose Wisely]

KJV not word of God ? Or simply does not fit your doctrine so you don't use it ?

This explains everything.

 

[jgr]

So Joel is ok but Salomon and his proverbs not ?

Who is the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2
2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Tertullian (160-220 AD)

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work; only he who now hinders must hinder, until he be taken out of the way." What obstacle is there but the Roman state, the falling away of which, by being scattered into ten kingdoms, shall introduce Antichrist upon (its own ruins)? "And then shall be revealed the wicked one, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming: even him whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish."

The Roman state to which Tertullian referred was succeeded by the papal Roman state, which over many centuries apostasized into the antichrist to which he also referred.