The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

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Now, where were we? My dear lady, I prefer the written words, but much thanks for placing before us a mighty man of spirit and truth. I am thankful to Abba for not allowing me to read this "sermon" prior to the experience so many moons ago. I still feel like a newbie in our Fathers mighty Presence, and with pleasure expect the status to continue into the expanses of what He continues to draw us!

You do have a heart after Him, and it is a good heart, that will become gooder and gooder!

Thank you, soooooo much, for sharing that with me!!
If I wasn't already getting better, i would have been all the more terrified of the 'torture' because it is indeed, torture!!
the preaching came at the perfect time, and last night i 'sensed' that 'the key' was in the preaching, but i fell asleep listening to it the second time... i just got up and about to have at it again!
i wonder if there is any way to 'drag' the fearful out of the way of torture, and into the HUGE TOTALLY UNSPEAKABLE LOVE...
can preaching do that???
and thank you for saying my heart is good... i guess it is
xoxoxox

 

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Thanks hug, I like you already also

you have much wisdom carefully bound with kindness and humility...
i don't respond well to unkindness and pride
i'm glad you're here with us!

 

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My brother we have missed you! Hugs dog is bow wowing in the background while his thread moves faster than my poor old being is capable of keeping cadence.

What a wonderfully glorious revelation it is to awaken to the fact our Father's Plan involves zero chance. It is all timing, as God in His own good pleasure calls each of us when He is ready to do so. "Being marked out" for me began before I sat in a massive Church as a mere boy of 12, already asking "where are You?" At 15 with nothing but a wonderful family of support, little F.L. was so miserable inside I would have ended my life. But God! Never once had my ears heard the glorious message of the Saviour of all mankind who loved me, and claimed me as His own. In short order my deep cry was met as the Living One drew my wretched life to His side. I love Him very much!

This link continues to amaze me. What a fine group is assembling to walk in fellowship with the Lord and each other. Others will be coming as the chord is awakened in them as well. In the meantime we will sing to one another, while Hugs dog carries on in the background.

lol MY DOG!!!! lol you're so sweet and funny... if that's what ball lightning does, well it shouldn't be feared

 

[FineLinen]

A few years ago a person on tents asked this question.

If all are saved anyway way preach the gospel at all. It is also a question that has come up many times in my journey.

Anyway this was my reply to that person.


For me the reason Jesus was sent and the reason Jesus sends us is to free people through Him from sin and death. Salvation is not complete just because one believes Jesus died for them. Believing is only the starting point on our journey toward full salvation, for we are reconciled by His death, but saved by His life.



All men everywhere are already reconciled by His death, this is a done deal because He died 2000 years ago for all men's reconciliation and mans belief or unbelief CANNOT change this fact. If someone does not believe Jesus died for them simply does not change the fact that He did.



So then all men everywhere have already been reconciled, but not all men are yet saved from sin and death.

Therefore Jesus sends us out in order to proclaim His salvation by His LIFE.

His death reconciled all men, but His LIFE is what saves all men, this salvation is not a one time deal as such, but is a long process of walking in His LIFE and forsaking our own. Taking up the cross and following Him and enduring unto the end that we might be saved.





Thus we are told to proclaim His death and therefore His reconciliation for all men as a FACT that cannot be disputed , and we are to do this so that the entire world can have the same hope in His LIFE that we to have. Thus it is not by His death that sin and death are defeated but by His LIFE.



When we witness about that which Jesus has done, we are first to tell all men that they have been reconciled because of His death, this fact breathes hope into the world that God does indeed love them. Then after people become aware of the fact of this reconciliation by His death we are to proclaim His resurrection. And it is because of the fact that He was resurrected OUT OF DEATH that the world is given hope of the same resurrection OUT OF DEATH. We are NOT saved from death, we are saved OUT OF DEATH, for it was while we were DEAD in sin that He died and was raised to life again for us.



So the resurrection is a moving from DEATH to LIFE, so as He died for all men, so to did He rise for all men, and this is the gospel of the good new toward ALL MEN EVERYWHERE.



If one believes Jesus died for all men, should it not go without saying that when He rose again that it was for all men also? Can we really separate His death from His resurrection? If so, how then can DEATH be swallowed up of LIFE?

My dear brother: It was on "tents" we first met years ago. They too were wonderful days with the likes of Shana and Charlotte and others who were gripped by an awakening to the Plan of all plans. Thank you again for joining us here. Already you fill a dimension nobody else can. Each of us are facets of a many membered conclave of called out ones!

 

[needhugs]

A few years ago a person on tents asked this question.

If all are saved anyway way preach the gospel at all. It is also a question that has come up many times in my journey.

Anyway this was my reply to that person.


For me the reason Jesus was sent and the reason Jesus sends us is to free people through Him from sin and death. Salvation is not complete just because one believes Jesus died for them. Believing is only the starting point on our journey toward full salvation, for we are reconciled by His death, but saved by His life.



All men everywhere are already reconciled by His death, this is a done deal because He died 2000 years ago for all men's reconciliation and mans belief or unbelief CANNOT change this fact. If someone does not believe Jesus died for them simply does not change the fact that He did.



So then all men everywhere have already been reconciled, but not all men are yet saved from sin and death.

Therefore Jesus sends us out in order to proclaim His salvation by His LIFE.

His death reconciled all men, but His LIFE is what saves all men, this salvation is not a one time deal as such, but is a long process of walking in His LIFE and forsaking our own. Taking up the cross and following Him and enduring unto the end that we might be saved.





Thus we are told to proclaim His death and therefore His reconciliation for all men as a FACT that cannot be disputed , and we are to do this so that the entire world can have the same hope in His LIFE that we to have. Thus it is not by His death that sin and death are defeated but by His LIFE.



When we witness about that which Jesus has done, we are first to tell all men that they have been reconciled because of His death, this fact breathes hope into the world that God does indeed love them. Then after people become aware of the fact of this reconciliation by His death we are to proclaim His resurrection. And it is because of the fact that He was resurrected OUT OF DEATH that the world is given hope of the same resurrection OUT OF DEATH. We are NOT saved from death, we are saved OUT OF DEATH, for it was while we were DEAD in sin that He died and was raised to life again for us.



So the resurrection is a moving from DEATH to LIFE, so as He died for all men, so to did He rise for all men, and this is the gospel of the good new toward ALL MEN EVERYWHERE.



If one believes Jesus died for all men, should it not go without saying that when He rose again that it was for all men also? Can we really separate His death from His resurrection? If so, how then can DEATH be swallowed up of LIFE?

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[FineLinen]

The Scars Of Life

Some years ago, on a hot summer day in south Florida, a little boy decided to go for a swim in the old swimming hole behind his house. In a hurry to dive into the cool water he ran out the back door leaving behind shoes, socks, and shirt as he went. He flew into the water not realizing that as he swam toward the middle of the lake that an alligator was swimming toward the shore.

His father was working in the yard and saw the two as they got closer and closer together. In utter fear he ran toward the water, yelling to his son as loudly as he could. Hearing his voice, the little boy became alarmed and made a U-turn to swim to his father.

But it was too late.

Just as the little boy reached his father, the alligator reached him.

From the dock the father grabbed his little boy by the arms just as the alligator snatched his legs. That began an incredible tug-of-war between the two. The alligator was much stronger than the father, but the father was much too passionate to let go. A farmer happened to drive by and heard his screams. Grabbing a rifle the farmer raced from his truck, took aim, and shot the alligator.

Remarkably, after weeks and weeks in the hospital, the little boy survived. His legs were extremely scarred by the vicious attack of the animal. And on his arms were deep scratches where his father's fingernails had dug into the boy's flesh in his effort to hang on to the son he loved.

A newspaper reporter interviewing the boy after the trauma asked if he would show him the scars on his legs. The boy lifted his pant legs.

And then with obvious pride, the boy said to the reporter, "But look at my arms. I have great scars on my arms, too! I have them because my Dad wouldn't let go."

 

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The Story Behind The Hymn=

https://www.sermonwriter.com/hymn-stories/o-love-wilt-not-let-go/

 

[FineLinen]

lol MY DOG!!!! lol you're so sweet and funny... if that's what ball lightning does, well it shouldn't be feared

How has that dog of yours become part of the Restitution of all things link? I hope the little rascal is benefiting from your love and the robust idea of God restoring the all back to Himself! Here we are at day 16 of a thread that is totally unmanageable. Dogs, ball lightening, and of course the struggles all of us face in various degrees of intensity. I trust you read the story behind the hymn (of course you did you persistent rascal.) I am so pleased you have stayed with us for the past two weeks. I believe we have barely begun. If, and when, if ever, the anointing of His Presence lifts from this glorious message of hope and deliverance we will attempt to consider another less exciting "doctrine". Until then>>>>

"The whole of created life shall be delivered/ set free..."

 

[FineLinen]

Thanks for sharing. It is necessary to inquire and ask what is meant by the term Universalism you use because the diversity that exists in universalist beliefs warrants further examination. So in a nut shell can you give me the gist of it, before I retort?

I started to read the link to a article you shared in your opening post. I have all of Augustine's works and will review, Enchiridion, sec. 112.

God Bless!

Looking forward to discussing this matter with you.

In Love, not Hate.

My brother: I trust we have not scared you away. Hopefully now you have read some of the posts various ones have made on this expanding link of our Fathers great Plan in the Master Jesus Christ. When you come back we will not be discussing the word "limited"! The one (1) passage of Scripture relating to such a ghastly concept has all to do with mans idea, not the One who dwells in exalted dimensions of grandeur. Today, may His vast glory grip us more fully!

 

[FineLinen]

The Resurrection Of Damnation=

http://www.mercyuponall.org/2016/06...nd-the-resurrection-of-damnation-john-528-29/

 

[corinth77777]

"Love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love."

That is why He tells us to remain in His Love...

 

[FineLinen]

That is why He tells us to remain in His Love...

Hi there Cori it is good to see you again. Remaining in His love has its impotus in the Source and the goal, not in the frail determination of broken creatures. We love Him>>>>>>>"because He first" loved us. We stay in His love in the same path!

 

[FineLinen]

The Resurrection Of Damnation=

http://www.mercyuponall.org/2016/06...nd-the-resurrection-of-damnation-john-528-29/

https://www.biblestudytools.com/john/5-29-compare.html

 

[corinth77777]

Hi there Cori it is good to see you again. Remaining in His love has its impotus in the Source and the goal, not in the frail determination of broken creatures. We love Him>>>>>>>"because He first" loved us. We stay in His love in the same path!

Well, I don't claim universalism...yet in the end....I believe God can do more than any of us can asked or think...any one who is saved will come through Jesus Christ.
I must say I had a thought that agrees with yours...but I don't know if my thoughts are valid...smile
And that, I believe when Jesus comes back how much we have purified ourselves with the knowledge given to us is the less what is left to be destroyed in us will be. The key is if we purify ourselves now through obedience is the boldness we will have on judgement day.

 

[FineLinen]

Well, I don't claim universalism...yet in the end....I believe God can do more than any of us can asked or think...any one who is saved will come through Jesus Christ.
I must say I had a thought that agrees with yours...but I don't know if my thoughts are valid...smile
And that, I believe when Jesus comes back how much we have purified ourselves with the knowledge given to us is the less what is left to be destroyed in us will be. The key is if we purify ourselves now through obedience is the boldness we will have on judgement day.

My brother your thoughts are indeed valid, perhaps in need of some adjustment, but valid. I have followed the Lamb for a few moons now, my limited experience indicating faith has, as in all things from Him, its beginning and ending in His good pleasure. He purifies us and it is a present continuous process that ultimately finds consummation in the Source and Goal of the all. I have found all attempts to purify my nasty life have failed with a capital "F".

You posted=

"yet in the end....I believe God can do more than any of us can asked or think...any one who is saved will come through Jesus Christ."

That by brother is a fact!

 

[corinth77777]

My brother your thoughts are indeed valid, perhaps in need of some adjustment, but valid. I have followed the Lamb for a few moons now, my limited experience indicating faith has, as in all things from Him, its beginning and ending in His good pleasure. He purifies us and it is a present continuous process that ultimately finds consummation in the Source and Goal of the all. I have found all attempts to purify my nasty life have failed with a capital "F".

You posted=

"yet in the end....I believe God can do more than any of us can asked or think...any one who is saved will come through Jesus Christ."

That by brother is a fact!

1 Peter

You have purified your souls by obeying the truth in order to show sincere mutual love. So love one another earnestly from a pure heart.

 

[FineLinen]

1 Peter

You have purified your souls by obeying the truth in order to show sincere mutual love. So love one another earnestly from a pure heart.

 

[FineLinen]

The "be being" process of making us one with our God involves various workings of His love and grace. The process of being brought into conformity to His image certainly involves the application of "His truth" by each of us. One makes his way through whatever stands in the way to unity with His Person in the road of being brought from faith to faith. "He is the Author & Finisher of [our] faith."