Galatians 3 - shows New Covenant Gospel is before Sinai

[BobRyan]

Ten Commandments begin in Eden - according to the Bible - and "Baptist Confession of Faith" and "Westminster Confession of Faith" and D.L. Moody and many others.

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Galatians 3
18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

What "inheritance"? -- Hebrews 11 - "New Jerusalem" heavenly Canaan.
Heb 11
9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
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13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

The Gospel/ The Covenant / The promise --

=============== why the law written on stone?
Transgression was “Before” Sinai . –

Gal 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

It was added because of transgressions, (that were before Sinai) Gal 3:19
“Where there is no Law neither is there transgression” Romans 4:15

Law before Sinai - even if not written on stone.
It was a sin to “take God’s name in vain” even before Sinai –
It was a sin to murder before Sinai - Genesis 4
Gen 26:5 “Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

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Gal 3
20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not!

God’s Law is “written on stone” at Sinai – because of transgressions – they needed the “visual aide” to remind them.

What about ceremonial law “it too was given at Sinai … but it ceased at the cross no matter if one believes in Christ or not”.

Another thing about the ceremonial law – they had animal sacrifices before Sinai… animal sacrifice was not started at Sinai.

15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it.
16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ (KJV/NKJV), that it should make the promise of no effect.

What is the “promise” – what is “the Covenant confirmed before by God in Christ”? -- the NEW Covenant.

1. The Law written on the heart Jeremiah 31:31-33
2. Sins forgiven
3. Taught by God
4. Adopted into the family of God
which is the "one Gospel" of Gal 1:6-9 that was "preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8

Thus it is "STILL" a sin to "take God's name in vain"
And so in Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is the "first commandment WITH a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN

No wonder in Mathew 19 Christ quotes from the TEN
No wonder in Romans 13 Paul quotes those same commandments from the unit of TEN
No wonder James 2 quotes from the unit of TEN
No wonder Romans 8 quotes from the unit of TEN

No wonder John says "this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments"
1 John 5:2-3

No wonder the "Saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12 according to John

No wonder all those Sunday groups listed in my signature line affirm all TEN as still applicable to all mankind - written on the heart under the New Covenant

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Gal 3 shows that the old covenant contract was in the form 'obey and live' (just as we see for Adam in Gen 2) - and this is contrasted with the Gospel in Gal 3.

Gal 3:
10 For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” 11 Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us

 

[BobRyan]

no text says "The Law was until Christ" not even Gal 3
no text says "the Ten Commandments were until Christ" not even Gal 3
no text says "The law ended at the Cross" not even Gal 3

Thus it is still a sin to "take God's name in vain"

What is more ...

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators,
nor idolaters,
nor adulterers,
nor effeminate,
nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves,
nor the covetous,
nor drunkards,
nor revilers,
nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Rom 3:31
31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Eph 6:2
2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),

Hint: First Commandment with a promise - where ?

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.

Hint: What "Scripture" is James 2 quoting?


James 2
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.”

Who said "Do not commit adultery" -- and when?
Who said "Do not murder" -- and when?

Answer: it was God!

James 2
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

Matthew 19
if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder; Ex 20
You shall not commit adultery; Ex 20
You shall not steal; Ex 20
You shall not bear false witness; Ex 20
19 Honor your father and mother; Ex 20
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Lev 19:18

What Law is that?
What is Jesus quoting?

When asked 'Which ones?" from what does Jesus quote?

 

[Cribstyl]

There is mass confusion in your presentation because SDA theology collides with these scriptures.
Galatian 3 clarifies that the promises to Abraham came 430yrs before the law was given. (SDA believe the law existed in heaven and was given to Adam)
By God saying to Abraham: (Gen 12:3)......In thee all the families of the earth shall be blessed". This promise was the preaching of THE GOSPEL to Abraham" This same promise was also the everlasting covenant made with Abraham (not the New Covenant made with the Children of Israel at a future date. Why? When God says He will give a New Covenant. saying He already gave it is a false argument.)
Gal3:15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed, who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Paul's argument is that there was no condition of keeping the law attached to the Abrahamic covenant (Gen12) because the law didn't exist until 430 yrs later.(Gen20) Paul's argument is that having the condition of keeping the law would nullify the promise.
(The timeline in Geneses reinforces these facts.)

Then the question is asked: Why serveth the law? ANSWER: It was added (to the promise because of unbelief) The Children of Israel did not belief God and

 

[Cribstyl]

YES, In the NEW COVENANT God did promise to write His laws on our heart. SDA believes that the ten commandments are the only law that God was talking about. WRONG!!!!!!
The #1 reason is God's own words in several scriptures identifies the ten commandments as the covenant made with the Children of Israel.( SDA denies the 10 as the covenant.) #2 God said the New Covenant would not be like the one made at Sinai.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

There is mass confusion in your presentation because SDA theology collides with these scriptures.
Galatian 3 clarifies that the promises to Abraham came 430yrs before the law was given. (SDA believe the law existed in heaven and was given to Adam)

And yet strangely, God commended Abraham for keeping His statutes and Laws. Unless you believe there was a secret set of statutes and Laws other than the ones codified 430 years later, then they would logically be the same? Remember, God is not the author of confusion and God doesn't change... don't twist scripture to say He does. Everything is to filtered through that promise, I CHANGE NOT.

 

[Marco70]

no text says "The Law was until Christ" not even Gal 3

It depends what you mean by law.
If you mean law as we all understand law to mean, that ended at the cross. The law comes in two parts, the law itself and the attached penalty for transgression of it. The legally enforceable law that can condemn. That ended at Calvary.

If you mean, did Christ's death abolish the fact God does not want you to steal, bear false witness, murder, take the Lords name in vain, covet etc, No, never!! God wrote that law in your heart and mind. Basically, you want in your heart to live as God desires you to live. Because that is so:
Your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more. Which I am sure you are grateful for, for, no one can faultlessly obey the letter that kills(TC)

Therefore, the moral law remains, it is written on your heart and mind, but the penalty for transgression was paid by Christ. Hence the system of law, as we all understand law to mean, was abolished at Calvary.

''It is finished''

 

[Cribstyl]

And yet strangely, God commended Abraham for keeping His statutes and Laws. Unless you believe there was a secret set of statutes and Laws other than the ones codified 430 years later, then they would logically be the same? Remember, God is not the author of confusion and God doesn't change... don't twist scripture to say He does. Everything is to filtered through that promise, I CHANGE NOT.

Scriptures are not confusing, your doctrine wont allow you to face the truth.
Scriptures below spells out that the covenant made with Moses was the 10 commandments. Your argument contradicts scriptures.
Exo 34:28 - And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Moses below made it clear that God declared His covenant as the 10 commandments. You must ignore and contradict the scriptures to argue that Abraham was under the ten as a covenant.
Deu 4:13 - And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.



Moses below made clear that this covenant was not made with the fathers before Moses. You argue vague texts to make a case about the law. You ignore and contradict scriptures by saying Abraham kept the law.
[URL='https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/deu/5/3/s_158003']Deu 5:3 [/URL]
[URL='https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/deu/4/13/s_157013'] The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Paul in Gal 3 is saying that the law came 430yrs after "the promise" (Abrahamic covenant). Paul is also arguing that if keeping the law was a condition of the promise, then the promise would be nullified.
[URL='https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gal/3/17/s_1094017']Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.[/URL]
[URL='https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/deu/4/13/s_157013']
Like I said; Your doctrine wont accept that the law came 430yrs after the promise, because you must see the law in creation.

Even Jesus made clear that circumcision was passed down from (of the fathers)Abraham to explain why circumcision is kept if the 8th day of a male child's birth lands on the Sabbath.

Jhn 7:22 - Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

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[Cribstyl]

no text says "The Law was until Christ" not even Gal 3
no text says "the Ten Commandments were until Christ" not even Gal 3
no text says "The law ended at the Cross" not even Gal 3

But it does say that the law was until John

Luk 16:16 - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Mat 11:13 - For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

 

[The7thColporteur]

But it does say that the law was until John

Luk 16:16 - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Mat 11:13 - For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

"Until John" doing what? Prophesying about the Kingdom of God, and the Gospel in the 1st Advent of Jesus and his ministry. Now what are they doing? Prophesying about his 2nd and 3rd Advents.

Mark 1:14 KJB - Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Mark 1:15 KJB - And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luke 4:43 KJB - And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Luke 11:20 KJB - But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Luke 17:20 KJB - And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luke 17:21 KJB - Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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Nice stopping place you chose in Luke 16, read a little further on either side:

Luke 16:15 KJB - And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Luke 16:16 KJB - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke 16:17 KJB - And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Luke 16:31 KJB - And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.​

Same with Matthew:

Matthew 11:11 KJB - Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Matthew 11:12 KJB - And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Matthew 11:13 KJB - For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.​

 

[Cribstyl]

"Until John" doing what? Prophesying about the Kingdom of God, and the Gospel in the 1st Advent of Jesus and his ministry. Now what are they doing? Prophesying about his 2nd and 3rd Advents.

Mark 1:14 KJB - Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Mark 1:15 KJB - And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luke 4:43 KJB - And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Luke 11:20 KJB - But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Luke 17:20 KJB - And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luke 17:21 KJB - Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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Nice stopping place you chose in Luke 16, read a little further on either side:

Luke 16:15 KJB - And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Luke 16:16 KJB - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke 16:17 KJB - And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Luke 16:31 KJB - And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.​

Same with Matthew:

Matthew 11:11 KJB - Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Matthew 11:12 KJB - And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Matthew 11:13 KJB - For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.​

Bob Ryan claimed; "no text says "The Law was until Christ"".

 

[bugkiller]

And yet strangely, God commended Abraham for keeping His statutes and Laws. Unless you believe there was a secret set of statutes and Laws other than the ones codified 430 years later, then they would logically be the same? Remember, God is not the author of confusion and God doesn't change... don't twist scripture to say He does. Everything is to filtered through that promise, I CHANGE NOT.

God did not change. God changed the rules like He promised.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

"Until John" doing what? Prophesying about the Kingdom of God, and the Gospel in the 1st Advent of Jesus and his ministry. Now what are they doing? Prophesying about his 2nd and 3rd Advents.

It does not matter what John did.

bugkiller

 

[The7thColporteur]

Bob Ryan claimed; "no text says "The Law was until Christ"".

Brother BobRyan would be correct. There is no such text which says that. Matthew 11:13; Luke 16:16 do not say it either, as already shown.

 

[The7thColporteur]

It does not matter what John did.

bugkiller

Incorrect, please see the context:

Matthew 11:7 KJB - And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

Matthew 11:8 KJB - But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.

Matthew 11:9 KJB - But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.

Matthew 11:10 KJB - For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Matthew 11:11 KJB - Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Matthew 11:12 KJB - And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Matthew 11:13 KJB - For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Matthew 11:14 KJB - And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.​

Notice, that the phrase "until John", refers to John, in context, as a "prophet", and "more than a prophet", "Elias" who was to come, and the "Baptist".

It is not as if the text meant until John was conceived, or birthed, or before He was prophesying in the wilderness as the "Elias" to come, "preparing the way" and baptising. So the context does indeed take into Johns actions, and therefore, "until John" includes all those things.

Therefore, let me complete the thought, and pray you take care to hear:

Matthew 11:15 KJB - He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Matthew 11:16 KJB - But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,

Matthew 11:17 KJB - And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.

Matthew 11:18 KJB - For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

Matthew 11:19 KJB - The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
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It is dangerous and ultimately eternally deadly to say that the Elijah messenger/message is the work of satan. John the Baptist was the Elias [Elijah] of the First Advent.

Now, as then, so too today, in the last Elijah messenger/message for the second Advent.

 

[The7thColporteur]

God did not change. God changed the rules like He promised.

bugkiller

What do you mean by "the rules"?

 

[Cribstyl]

Brother BobRyan would be correct. There is no such text which says that. Matthew 11:13; Luke 16:16 do not say it either, as already shown.

Correct about what? What Bob Ryan said was a straw argument. If Bob Ryan said no scripture says that King Kong is dead. This would also make Bob Ryan correct. What Bob Ryan said was: no scripture say that the law was until Christ. The scripture does say : The law and the prophets was until John. Our understanding of these word is what's required.

 

[Cribstyl]

Brother BobRyan would be correct. There is no such text which says that. Matthew 11:13; Luke 16:16 do not say it either, as already shown.

Correct about what? What Bob Ryan said was a straw argument. If Bob Ryan said no scripture says that King Kong is dead. This would also make Bob Ryan correct. What Bob Ryan said was: no scripture say that the law was until Christ. The scripture does say : The law and the prophets was until John. Our understanding of these word is what's required.

 

[listed]

Incorrect, please see the context:

Matthew 11:7 KJB - And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

Matthew 11:8 KJB - But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.

Matthew 11:9 KJB - But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.

Matthew 11:10 KJB - For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Matthew 11:11 KJB - Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Matthew 11:12 KJB - And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Matthew 11:13 KJB - For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Matthew 11:14 KJB - And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.​

Notice, that the phrase "until John", refers to John, in context, as a "prophet", and "more than a prophet", "Elias" who was to come, and the "Baptist".

It is not as if the text meant until John was conceived, or birthed, or before He was prophesying in the wilderness as the "Elias" to come, "preparing the way" and baptising. So the context does indeed take into Johns actions, and therefore, "until John" includes all those things.

Therefore, let me complete the thought, and pray you take care to hear:

Matthew 11:15 KJB - He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Matthew 11:16 KJB - But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,

Matthew 11:17 KJB - And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.

Matthew 11:18 KJB - For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

Matthew 11:19 KJB - The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
​

It is dangerous and ultimately eternally deadly to say that the Elijah messenger/message is the work of satan. John the Baptist was the Elias [Elijah] of the First Advent.

Now, as then, so too today, in the last Elijah messenger/message for the second Advent.

How does your argument change the fact "the law was?"

 

[listed]

What do you mean by "the rules"?

What do you think the rules are?

 

[ralliann]

And yet strangely, God commended Abraham for keeping His statutes and Laws. Unless you believe there was a secret set of statutes and Laws other than the ones codified 430 years later, then they would logically be the same? Remember, God is not the author of confusion and God doesn't change... don't twist scripture to say He does. Everything is to filtered through that promise, I CHANGE NOT.

Which priesthood existed in Abrahams day?
Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.