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I will address your view of aion at the end.Because you reject any evidence that disagrees with your inspired, infallible references as non creditable. Your statement is also nonsense as I've shown you from Scripture that aion is used of finite periods of time.
"False dilemma" requires an either/or situation. I did not present an either/or situation. I made a statement then provided scripture to support my premise.Heat? You're not even luke warm. You haven't proven anyone wrong. Your inferences aren't facts they're simple your inferences. And, as I've pointed out your argument in the logical fallacy of the "False Dilemma".
I agree Isa 66:24 is about the future but it does not refer to the valley of Hinnom. If there is even one verse which states that someone/something is thrown into the lake of fire but they do not die then your argument is destroyed.No, if you actually paid attention to what was posted you'd see that it's in the future. Jesus said the wicked would be cast into Gehenna. If you read the quote in Isaiah it speaks of the new heaven and new. That's where the bodies will burn. And once again, it's bodies. It's not spirits, it's not Ghosts or souls, it's bodies. Bodies burning in the Lake of Fire, Gehenna. So there goes your ECT doctrine down the tubes.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
One of those thrown into the LOF, the false prophet, was a human. While the lake of fire is called the second death not one single verse says that anyone/anything dies in the lake of fire. So lake of fire and second death are interchangeable terms, The lake of fire is the second death or the second death is the lake of fire.Anything that anyone says about scripture which is not specifically stated in scripture is an inference. Some inferences can be wrong but inferences which are based on sound evidence are more correct than those that aren't.I agree, one should know what they're talking about. That's why you should look at the passages that use aion of finite periods of time so you won't mislead people into thinking it means eternal.
That seems to be your typical response, People obviously don't know this or that. I know what a False Dilemma is. Just like the other fallacies I've pointed out in your arguments. The only thing misguided is your argument. It's fallacious and loaded with inferences. Until you realize that inferences aren't facts there's like not going to be much progress.
Here is one of the 22 verses which I posted. In this verse “aionios” is paired with “without end.” “aionios” cannot be paired with “without end” if it means only “ages” a finite period. “Aionios” by definition here means eternal. Prove me wrong?
Luke 1:33
(33) And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; [αιωνας/aionas] and of his kingdom there shall be no end.[τελος/τελος]
(33) And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; [αιωνας/aionas] and of his kingdom there shall be no end.[τελος/τελος]
Matthew 16:26
(26) What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? [Mark 8:36, Luke 9:25]
Can a person literally inherit the "whole world?"(26) What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? [Mark 8:36, Luke 9:25]
1 John 5:19
(19) We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
Was "the whole world" literally under the control of the evil one?(19) We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
Revelation 12:9
(9) The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Did Satan literally lead "the whole world" astray?(9) The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Revelation 13:3
(3) One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.
Did "the whole world" literally follow the beast?(3) One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.
Genesis 41:57 And all the world came to Egypt to buy grain from Joseph, because the famine was severe everywhere.
Did "all the world" literally buy grain from Egypt?Acts of the apostles 17:6 But when they did not find them, they dragged Jason and some other believers before the city officials, shouting: "These men who have caused trouble all over the world have now come here,
Did the disciples literally cause trouble "all over the world?"Acts of the apostles 19:35 The city clerk quieted the crowd and said: "Fellow Ephesians, doesn't all the world know that the city of Ephesus is the guardian of the temple of the great Artemis and of her image, which fell from heaven?
Did "all the world" literally know that Ephesus was the guardian of the pagan deity Artemis?Acts of the apostles 24:5 "We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect.
Was Paul literally stirring up riots "all over the world?"Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
Did Caesar literally tax "all the world?"Acts of the apostles 19:27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth
Did "all the world" literally worship the goddess Diana?Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Was the faith of the Romans literally spoke of throughout "the whole world?"Let us use your reasoning on these verses. The phrases "the whole world" and "all the world" cannot literally mean the entire planet earth because they are used to describe things that are not literally "the whole world" and "all the world."
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