Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

[Archmike]

I completely understand your position and if I were you I would have done what you just did.

So long Mike and maybe we will talk again some day and if you would like to ask a Bible question you can PM me anytime.

Thank you Brother Major !
BTW, you look like you have a wonderful family, Major ! God bless you !
Four kids is a good number !
And I'm glad you understand my position.

Ill be back....but not anytime soon. Thanks for the invite on the PM.

Enjoy, Sir.

 

[Archmike]

Again and Again
what scripture support do you have to prove you claims ?





Show scripture and how you support what you say
it means- as long as you think you can make claims that will not be questioned you're all in..
But when you are asked to provide scripture and support that what you claim has merit then you say you are tired of the debate , That is a cop-out
If you truly have truths you would be willing to share how you can show they are truths

I bug you, don't I 77's ?

Purchase my book. I provide proof there:

Go to Amazon.com
Go to books

enter the Title and Author:
A House Divided - 7 Events Before Rapture & the Coming Christian Holocaust by Michael Johnson

you'll find your answers there....and if you don't, oh well....

Love ya SeventySevens !

 

[seventysevens]

Naw , I just ask people who make outlandish claims to provide evidence that what they claim is real ,
Since you fail to provide anything but conjecture, theory and refuse to answer any questions asked - NOT A Chance I would spend a plug nickel(let alone real money) on a book by an author who makes claims he refuses to support with scripture evidence .

Have a great life

I bug you, don't I 77's ?

Purchase my book. I provide proof there:

Go to AmazonBooks.com

enter the Title and Author:
A House Divided - 7 Events Before Rapture & the Coming Christian Holocaust by Michael Johnson

you'll find your answers there....and if you don't, oh well....

Love ya SeventySevens !

 

[Archmike]

Naw , I just ask people who make outlandish claims to provide evidence that what they claim is real ,
Since you fail to provide anything but conjecture, theory and refuse to answer any questions asked - NOT A Chance I would spend a plug nickel(let alone real money) on a book by an author who makes claims he refuses to support with scripture evidence .

Have a great life

I didn't expect you would "spend a plug nickel" on my book. But, I'll bet you checked it out....Besides, I could have provided proof until I was blue in the face, and it wouldn't have made one iota of difference. You would've refuted everything I proofed, and you would have declared your understanding as the "right interpretation". I have dealt with many like yourself in the past, Seventy, and I would have done better beating my head against a wall.

See ya....I'll be watching....

 

[seventysevens]

I didn't expect you would "spend a plug nickel" on my book. But, I'll bet you checked it out....

See ya....I'll be watching....

Yes I did check it out -but spent no money as it is online for free here is a piece

of it

 

[seventysevens]

You would've refuted everything I proofed,

Yep How can I not refute you saying that Gods creation of mankind created in the image of Himself is nothing more than evolved animals that acquired
an angelic soul -that is totally 100% Not Biblical

 

[Archmike]

Wow ! Didn't realize it was online for free ! Have at it Seventy ! That particular sample is certainly revolutionary. Something quite "different" happened at the creation of A&E. Heavenly spirits were injected into their earthly bodies (!which are in His likeness ) and they became "aware". Men and women , who existed on earth prior the A&E were merely higher forms of animals with no sense of right and wrong. After A&E, God said, " man has become as one of us, to know good and evil" .

And so it goes.....but, I digress.....I will not debate it.

 

[seventysevens]

Well you have freewill and may have your opinion , but scripture tells us that Adam was created from the dust of the earth and God himself breathed life into him- then God took a rib from Adam when he sleeping and created Eve from that rib. Both had no sin and God walked with them face to face regularly until they disobeyed God by eating what they were told not to eat - Sorry to break it to ya but man are Not evolved from animals , we are created from the dust of the earth

Wow ! Didn't realize it was online for free ! Have at it Seventy ! That particular sample is certainly revolutionary. Something quite "different" happened at the creation of A&E. Heavenly spirits were injected into their earthly bodies (!which are in His likeness ) and they became "aware". Men and women , who existed on earth prior the A&E were merely higher forms of animals with no sense of right and wrong. After A&E, God said, " man has become as one of us, to know good and evil" .

And so it goes.....but, I digress.....I will not debate it.

 

[Archmike]

Well you have freewill and may have your opinion , but scripture tells us that Adam was created from the dust of the earth and God himself breathed life into him- then God took a rib from Adam when he sleeping and created Eve from that rib. Both had no sin and God walked with them face to face regularly until they disobeyed God by eating what they were told not to eat - Sorry to break it to ya but man are Not evolved from animals , we are created from the dust of the earth

Man and woman, in their modern, godlike bodies, existed on earth well before A&E. That's all I say..read the rest of the free, online book, and find out how and why.....

 

[seventysevens]

Wow ! Didn't realize it was online for free
And so it goes.....but, I digress.....I will not debate it.

Here you are saying that it is not important to know where our soul goes. You should realize there is a spiritual realm that co-exists with the natural realm , angels are in that spiritual realm we know someday in the future when we receive our spiritual bodies

You say here that we may be angels and not know it - no we are not angels -as scripture tells us we will reign over the angels
People nor angels do no reincarnate nor materialize at will , it is more of a another dimension that they can come and go from the spiritual realm into the natural realm , this has happened all through the Old Testament and NT and will continue until all prophecy has been fulfilled

 

[seventysevens]

Man and woman, in their modern, godlike bodies, existed on earth well before A&E. That's all I say..read the rest of the free, online book, and find out how and why.....

No they did not as Adam was the first human ever

 

[Tayla]

If the Olivet discourse advent which is the gathering of the elect and the so-called 2nd return of Christ is the 2nd resurrection, when Christ supposedly returns to earth, how does anyone justify a rapture at the "1st resurrection" if there's no advent, no return of Christ to earth until the 2nd resurrection?

Yes. Seems to me that every passage used to support the rapture actually refers to the second coming of Christ.

 

[seventysevens]

Yes. Seems to me that every passage used to support the rapture actually refers to the second coming of Christ.

It may seem that way to you , but that is not the way it is
Jesus says otherwise

 

[BABerean2]

You then said...........
The "time of the judgment of the dead" is found in Revelation 11:18.

NOPE! One of the things that must be understood is the fact that John uses several PARENTHECTICAL VERSES and Rev. 11:18 is just that.

In the middle of the judgments, God has John insert (Parenthetical) these verses for the encouragement of the believers who will be on the earth who are sealed. By now with all the things going on they will be discouraged and living in fear.

In other words if "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18 does not agree with your system of interpretation, then it must be a PATENTHETICAL verse.

Would you consider the possibility that Revelation chapter 20 could be a PARENTHETICAL passage, since the fire is found at the end of the passage?

Does Christ return in "flaming fire", based on 2 Thessalonians chapter 1?

If so, where do we find this fire in the Book of Revelation?

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[Major1]

In other words if "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18 does not agree with your system of interpretation, then it must be a PATENTHETICAL verse.

Would you consider the possibility that Revelation chapter 20 could be a PARENTHETICAL passage, since the fire is found at the end of the passage?

Does Christ return in "flaming fire", based on 2 Thessalonians chapter 1?

If so, where do we find this fire in the Book of Revelation?

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No sir. "Parenthetical" is actually determined by the author.

There are many parenthetical Scriptures throughout the Bible. The following list of such passages in the book of Revelation has caused many erroneous interpretations and expectations for the end time. This list of those passages may help you to see how parenthetical comments are inserted in the consecutive order of events.

1) 7:1-17 Two groups of redeemed.
2) 8:2-6 Seven trumpet angels & Priestly angel.
3) 8:13 The three woes are announced.
4) 10:1-11 The mighty Angel.
5) 11:1-13 Verses 1 & 2 =Temple and Holy City. Verses 3-13= 2 Witnesses.
6) 14:1-20 Seven statements are made in these parenthetical passages.
7) 16:13-16 Three unclean frog spirits.
8) 17:1-18 Mystical Babylon.

Notice that entire chapters are sometimes parenthetical. Often the consecutive order of events and continuity of the subject at hand can be understood better if you "temporarily" drop out the parenthetical passages.

However, since the parenthetical events do take place "somewhere" within the consecutive order of the main events, they cannot be dropped out indefinitely. It must be understood that such passages are very important even if they are inserted in a "by the way" type of format.

I believe that if you will look at Rev. 19:11 you will see that Christ returns on a WHITE HORSE.

The fire of Rev. 20 my friend is the fire of hell.

20:13 says.......
"The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death — the lake of fire. And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.…"

As Jesus came in chapter 19, verse 20 then is the result of the judgment when the lost are thrown into the lake of FIRE!

 

[Major1]

Thank you Brother Major !
BTW, you look like you have a wonderful family, Major ! God bless you !
Four kids is a good number !
And I'm glad you understand my position.

Ill be back....but not anytime soon. Thanks for the invite on the PM.

Enjoy, Sir.

Those are my GRAND children brother!!!

 

[Major1]

Yes. Seems to me that every passage used to support the rapture actually refers to the second coming of Christ.

Some people think that.

I tell you what. Do a little study of Scriptures and list them and I will try to tell you when they take place in prophecy.

NO I am not trying to be a know it all in any way. It is just that I have done this for some time and I just may be able to help you.

If it bothers you then forget that I proposed such a thing.

 

[precepts]

Yes. Seems to me that every passage used to support the rapture actually refers to the second coming of Christ.

Yes, 2 Pet. 3 proves Christ 2nd coming is at the 2nd resurrection when the new heaven and new earth occurs. There's no return until then, which proves the 1st resurrection is exactly that, a resurrection of the dead only, that happens in heaven since Christ doesn't return until the 2nd resurrection.

Every rapture theory holds that Christ returns with the angels for the rapture, but Peter says He doesn't return until the 2nd resurrection, which proves the 1st resurrection is not the rapture.

 

[BABerean2]

"Parenthetical" is actually determined by the author.

Like the fact that the seals book is a summary of the entire Book of Revelation.
Christ opens the seals one at a time and then John is told... "Come and see."

Toward the end of chapter 6 we find the Second Coming of Christ, with the same signs in the sun, moon, and stars as those found in the Olivet Discourse.
At the end of chapter 6 we have some of the same characters (captains, mighty men, free, bond) from chapter 19, who are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
They would not be hiding from the Lamb, unless the Lamb is present at that time.

We have Christ returning and the "time of the judgment of the dead" with reward for some and destruction for others in Revelation 11:15-18.

At the beginning of chapter 12 we find a review of Church history, which includes the fall of Satan and the birth and death of Christ.

Christ returns in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is similar to the parable of the wheat and tares, from Matthew chapter 13.

Christ returns "as a thief" at Armageddon, in Revelation 16:15-16.

Christ also returns in chapter 19.

Maybe we should consider each of the above to be a "PARENTHESIS", and then maybe we can make your system of interpretation work.

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[Tayla]

It is just that I have done this for some time and I just may be able to help you.

Thanks, but I already did it.