Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

[SeventyOne]

Before this thread, with its good discussions, falls off the front page list, I will again answer the question asked in the OP;
'Where in Revelation is a rapture mentioned'?
Answer: 'Nowhere in Revelation is a rapture mentioned'.

For that matter, a rapture removal of the Church to heaven is never mentioned anywhere in the Bible. It is very unwise to believe the rapture doctrine.
It leads to complacency and means that those who have believed such a thing, will be devastated when it doesn't happen.

I've never understood the claim that the expectation of a rapture leads to complacency. It seems to be contradicted in real life examples.

Assume the kids are at home and the house is a mess and they know it has to be cleaned by the time the parents arrive. In what situation are they more complacent? When they know the parent might arrive any moment or when they think the parent won't be back for 5 or 6 more hours. Well, the one who thinks they have more time is more complacent.

Assume a place of work has people who like to slack off when they can get away with doing so. Are they more likely to complete an assigned task quickly if they expect the boss to stop by at any moment, or if the boss has taken the day off?

So, could you explain to me how expectancy of the Lord's soon return leads to complacency over those who aren't expecting Him? Especially since Peter tells us that the scoffers in the last days will be those who say, 'Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.'

 

[BABerean2]

'Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.'

Heb_9:28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.


2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:



Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

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[keras]

I've never understood the claim that the expectation of a rapture leads to complacency. It seems to be contradicted in real life examples.

The real life pre-trib rapture examples that I have encountered, plus those on the forums, all seem to be careless of what will happen during the Great Tribulation, as they believe they won't be here then. They also have a supercilious attitude toward those who refute them and are happy to condemn those who don't believe their teaching, to the GT.
The scoffers of 2 Peter 3, are mostly secular people, at least the rapture believers know judgement is coming and although scripture does say we Christians are not appointed to experience God's wrath, that doesn't mean removal, but as many prophesies tell us: it means protection. Psalms 31:23-24, Isaiah 43:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7

 

[precepts]

The world is not of God. If it was, there would be no divisions in the doctrine of Christ. Peter tells it plainly:

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever.


When does Christ return according to Peter? When the new heavens and earth occur.

And when does the new heaven and new earth occur? Only during the 2nd resurrection.

And when does that generation (those that were standing there) taste death, after witnessing the return of Christ? Only at the 2nd resurrection, because it was the 2nd death that Christ was referring to when He made the statement.

And if I have pointed out these facts so many times before on these forum, why are they being ignored?

Because the world is not of God!

 

[AJTruth]

I would like someone to please show me where a rapture is mentioned in Revelation since the only thing I see mentioned in Revelation are resurrections.

Where does it say there's a rapture if the 2nd advent, as described in the Olivet discourse, is the 2nd resurrection, where that generation, and those standing there at the time of the Olivet discourse, taste death after witnessing Christ coming into his kingdom, which is the New Yah-ru-Shalem?

If the Olivet discourse advent which is the gathering of the elect and the so-called 2nd return of Christ is the 2nd resurrection, when Christ supposedly returns to earth, how does anyone justify a rapture at the "1st resurrection" if there's no advent, no return of Christ to earth until the 2nd resurrection?

Food for thought

A falling away has definitely begun.

A Picture Of The Rapture & Its Point:

Revelations begins speaking to 7 churches. No mention of the church after Rev chapter 4 verse 1.

Why? Because the CHURCH IS GONE! Raptured/Caught-up

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said," """Come up hither"""", and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter

The """come up hither""" is the Rapture.

Rev 4:1 a door was opened in heaven:
1 Thes 4:16 the Lord himself shall descend from heaven

Rev 4:1 a trumpet talking with me
1 Thes 4:16 voice of the archangel, & with the trump ofGod

Rev 4:1 """come up hither""":
1 Thes 4:17 """"caught up together"""", & so shall we ever be with the Lord

1 Thes 4:
16 For "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven" with a shout, with the "voice of the archangel, & with the trump of God": and the dead in Christ shall rise first

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be "caught up" together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: & so shall we ever be with the Lord

We see here the church escaping the wrath of the great tribulation soon to be poured out

More Examples:

The angels couldn’t destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot and his family were clear

Noah and his family were delivered from wrath before the flood came

BELIEVERS ARE DELIVERED FROM """JACOBS/ISRAELS TROUBLE""" AND GODS WRATH TO COME UPON UNBELIEVERS

1 Thes 1:10, And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even """Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come""""

Rom 5:9 being now justified by his blood, """"we shall be saved from wrath""""' through him

1 thes 5:9 """God hath not appointed us to wrath'""", but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee & hide thyself as it were for a little moment, """until the wrath be past""".
(We go to The New Jerusalem Revelation 21. The place Jesus goes to prepare for us in (John 14:3)

The Church Is Raptured, Caught-Up To Be Delivered From Wrath coming to a God rebellious world. Maranatha

 

[SeventyOne]

The real life pre-trib rapture examples that I have encountered, plus those on the forums, all seem to be careless of what will happen during the Great Tribulation, as they believe they won't be here then. They also have a supercilious attitude toward those who refute them and are happy to condemn those who don't believe their teaching, to the GT.
The scoffers of 2 Peter 3, are mostly secular people, at least the rapture believers know judgement is coming and although scripture does say we Christians are not appointed to experience God's wrath, that doesn't mean removal, but as many prophesies tell us: it means protection. Psalms 31:23-24, Isaiah 43:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7

In all fairness, if I were to start telling you about the events scheduled to take place at the Iowa state fair, I doubt you'd care because you won't be there or even plan to go. Again, the response isn't surprising. Besides that, that's not complacency pertaining to the coming of the Lord, the Tribulation is a completely different event. If you wanted to reference the Tribulation instead, it would have made more sense doing so.

Also, in all fairness, to say they "are happy to condemn those who don't believe their teaching" and then turn around and categorize them as complacent and soon to be devistated, is to do the same thing you are accusing them of doing.

 

[keras]

Noah and his family were delivered from wrath before the flood came

Far from proving a rapture to heaven, the example of Noah and the rest of your post, actually prove that we remain on earth. Provided that we remain steadfast in our faith, the Lord will protect us. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
The rapture is just a construct; made up from inferences and wishful thinking. Far from there being scriptural proof of such a thing, many verses refute it. John 3:13, John 7:34, 1 Corinthians 10:13

 

[keras]

Also, in all fairness, to say they "are happy to condemn those who don't believe their teaching" and then turn around and categorize them as complacent and soon to be devistated, is to do the same thing you are accusing them of doing.

I don't do that.
My task is to point out what is soon to happen, what the prophets have warned us about; the coming Lord's Day of wrath. A terrible Day of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis, that will affect all the world. Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7 I show what we are told to do on that Day; Call upon the Lord for His protection. Acts 2:21

 

[BABerean2]

Revelations begins speaking to 7 churches. No mention of the church after Rev chapter 4 verse 1.

Why? Because the CHURCH IS GONE! Raptured/Caught-up

The capital "C" Church as we use the term today is not found in the whole Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found.

In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the Blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb and not be under the Grace of the New Covenant.

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[precepts]

A Picture Of The Rapture & Its Point:

Revelations begins speaking to 7 churches. No mention of the church after Rev chapter 4 verse 1.

Why? Because the CHURCH IS GONE! Raptured/Caught-up

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said," """Come up hither"""", and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter

The """come up hither""" is the Rapture.

Rev 4:1 a door was opened in heaven:
1 Thes 4:16 the Lord himself shall descend from heaven

Rev 4:1 a trumpet talking with me
1 Thes 4:16 voice of the archangel, & with the trump ofGod

Rev 4:1 """come up hither""":
1 Thes 4:17 """"caught up together"""", & so shall we ever be with the Lord

1 Thes 4:
16 For "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven" with a shout, with the "voice of the archangel, & with the trump of God": and the dead in Christ shall rise first

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be "caught up" together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: & so shall we ever be with the Lord

We see here the church escaping the wrath of the great tribulation soon to be poured out

More Examples:

The angels couldn’t destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot and his family were clear

Noah and his family were delivered from wrath before the flood came

BELIEVERS ARE DELIVERED FROM """JACOBS/ISRAELS TROUBLE""" AND GODS WRATH TO COME UPON UNBELIEVERS

1 Thes 1:10, And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even """Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come""""

Rom 5:9 being now justified by his blood, """"we shall be saved from wrath""""' through him

1 thes 5:9 """God hath not appointed us to wrath'""", but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee & hide thyself as it were for a little moment, """until the wrath be past""".
(We go to The New Jerusalem Revelation 21. The place Jesus goes to prepare for us in (John 14:3)

The Church Is Raptured, Caught-Up To Be Delivered From Wrath coming to a God rebellious world. Maranatha

Please! Every so-called conclusion you made was pure speculation.

The 7 churches not being mentioned after Rev 4:1 because they were raptured is pure speculation. I don't understand how you people think.

If you can't prove it in a court of law, keep it to yourself please!

There are a million and one interpretation of the scriptures and not one of them can be proven in a court of law. So what does that say about you and Denominational Christianity?

And I noticed you left out the verses that prove Christ doesn't return until the 2nd resurrection, another one of your stumbling blocks. And they are so many of them. How you avoided them to post probably the only one that doesn't is suspect.

There is no mention of Christ returning before the 2nd Advent which causes the 2nd resurrection, when there will be a new heaven and a new earth because the old ones will be burnt up when He returns. It is at this return that "those standing there," "that generation," tastes death because it was the 2nd Death that Christ was referring to when He said that they wouldn't taste death until after witnessing Him coming on the clouds into his kingdom, which is the New Yah-ru-Shalem.

All this I pointed out in Peter's quote, that Christ returns at the 2nd resurrection, which you obviously overlooked. There is no rapture before that because there is no mention of Christ returning before the new heavens and new earth which occurs only after the 2nd resurrection. Peter proves that.

Your guesses are exactly what they are, guesses/speculations.

 

[leras]

If you really want to know where to find it, I believe it is fully described in Revelation 23.

 

[leras]

If you really want to know where to find it, I believe it is fully described in Revelation 23.

 

[leras]

If you really want to know where to find it, I believe it is fully described in Revelation 23.

 

[precepts]

The Devil comes in many forms.

 

[precepts]

The Devil comes in many forms.

 

[Theo Book]

I would like someone to please show me where a rapture is mentioned in Revelation since the only thing I see mentioned in Revelation are resurrections.

Where does it say there's a rapture if the 2nd advent, as described in the Olivet discourse, is the 2nd resurrection, where that generation, and those standing there at the time of the Olivet discourse, taste death after witnessing Christ coming into his kingdom, which is the New Yah-ru-Shalem?

If the Olivet discourse advent which is the gathering of the elect and the so-called 2nd return of Christ is the 2nd resurrection, when Christ supposedly returns to earth, how does anyone justify a rapture at the "1st resurrection" if there's no advent, no return of Christ to earth until the 2nd resurrection?

Food for thought

A falling away has definitely begun.

"RAPTURE" is a hold-over from when the Greek scriptures were translated into LATIN, which is the source of the term "RAPIO" - whence "RAPTURE."

Since it has several interpretative consequences, i will not post the doctrine here, but will only offer what is considered to be the basis for the consideration thereof.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

And that is all I have to say on the subject.

 

[Kaon]

I would like someone to please show me where a rapture is mentioned in Revelation since the only thing I see mentioned in Revelation are resurrections.

Where does it say there's a rapture if the 2nd advent, as described in the Olivet discourse, is the 2nd resurrection, where that generation, and those standing there at the time of the Olivet discourse, taste death after witnessing Christ coming into his kingdom, which is the New Yah-ru-Shalem?

If the Olivet discourse advent which is the gathering of the elect and the so-called 2nd return of Christ is the 2nd resurrection, when Christ supposedly returns to earth, how does anyone justify a rapture at the "1st resurrection" if there's no advent, no return of Christ to earth until the 2nd resurrection?

Food for thought

A falling away has definitely begun.

There is no [second] rapture; the resurrection is the "rapture" - but that is at the end.


Do you think God is going to scoop us up and remove us from His wrath on those that forsake His commandments and make a mockery of Him? When has God ever removed someone completely from a terrible time? God always pushes us through terrible times if only to be a witness.

Noah saw the literal end of the world, and God didn't swoop him up in one of the chariots in which Enoch went: why is a generation that is more vile than Noah's going to be raptured when the EIGHT people who remained righteous did not get raptured?

This is part of a delusion - and it may even be the One God Himself said He would send on us - so that we would believe a lie. The rapture, and not following commandments of God have become huge problems of false doctrine IMO. Think about what would make people at Judgment Day say to Christ, "I prayed to you and did all this stuff for you Christ," to which He replies, "I never knew you."

 

[precepts]

"RAPTURE" is a hold-over from when the Greek scriptures were translated into LATIN, which is the source of the term "RAPIO" - whence "RAPTURE."

Since it has several interpretative consequences, i will not post the doctrine here, but will only offer what is considered to be the basis for the consideration thereof.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

And that is all I have to say on the subject.

I was specifically referring to the book of Revelation because it only mentions resurrections.

 

[precepts]

There is no second rapture; the resurrection is the "rapture" - but that is at the end.


Do you think God is going to scoop us up and remove us from His wrath on those that forsake His commandments and make a mockery of Him? When has God ever removed someone completely from a terrible time? God always pushes us through terrible times if only to be a witness.

Noah saw the literal end of the world, and God didn't swoop him up in one of the chariots in which Enoch went: why is a generation that is more vile than Noah's going to be raptured when the EIGHT people who remained righteous did not get raptured?

This is part of a delusion - and it may even be the One God Himself said He would send on us - so that we would believe a lie. The rapture, and not following commandments of God have become huge problems of false doctrine IMO. Think about what would make people at Judgment Day say to Christ, "I prayed to you and did all this stuff for you Christ," to which He replies, "I never knew you."

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Theo Book]

I was specifically referring to the book of Revelation because it only mentions resurrections.

True. But I knew nothing about your background, ao supplied LITTLE bit of information about origin of the word "Rapture."

You're welcome!