LDS Mormon Requirements for Eternal Life

[Jane_Doe]

Kind of like being a second class Mormon who hasn't had his/her endowments, or is divorced and remains single, or has a non-Mormon spouse.

*rolls eyes*.
I spent most of my adult life as a non-endowed lady. I am happily married to an evangelical. And I am in do way a second class person and have never been treated as such-- except by people claiming to be Christians here.

 

[Rescued One]

*rolls eyes*.
I spent most of my adult life as a non-endowed lady. I am happily married to an evangelical. And I am in do way a second class person and have never been treated as such-- except by people claiming to be Christians here.

Why do you roll your eyes so much? Do you view that as rude?

Thank you for sharing your experience.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Why do you roll your eyes so much? Do you view that as rude?

Thank you for sharing your experience.

I am very frustrated with the treatment I am receiving on CF right now. Your post #180 seemed to be a deflection rather than acknowledging the caste system which exists on CF. Additionally, your post rang very hollow with me-- I know LDS don't treat people that way.

 

[Rescued One]

I am very frustrated with the treatment I am receiving on CF right now. Your post #180 seemed to be a deflection rather than acknowledging the caste system which exists on CF. Additionally, your post rang very hollow with me-- I know LDS don't treat people that way.

I doubt that you attended any of the many wards I attended. So you only know people that you know personally.

D&C 132
16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory. 17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever.

Do you consider dialogue mistreatment? People at CF want you to have faith in our God; Mormons want us to accept Mormonism. How is either of those beliefs mistreatment?

Some sites allow Mormons to explain their faith but don't want Christians to challenge that faith.

Do you think rolling your eyes is rude?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Do you consider dialogue mistreatment? People at CF want you to have faith in our God; Mormons want us to accept Mormonism. How is either of those beliefs mistreatment?

I am happy to respect your choice of faith and not try to push my faith on anyone else.
I consider it extremely rude when other people's only objective in conversation with me is to continue to try to proselytize me, especially after I repeatedly tell them "no thank you". Add to that threats of unpleasant afterlife, flaming, being told to "repent" for loving Christ, and complete refusal to see me as anything but a project.

Some sites allow Mormons to explain their faith but don't want Christians to challenge that faith.

I'm on several Mormon forums: they all welcome people of all faiths. All people are allowed to post wherever and share their belief (of course with rules of conduct). Several of which actually have non-LDS mods whom are well loved and respected. There's no second class treatment.

 

[Ironhold]

Some sites allow Mormons to explain their faith but don't want Christians to challenge that faith.

I myself haven't found any.

Barring a few specific pages created for members of specific individual congregations, all of the "Mormon" message boards and Facebook groups I'm in are open to all believers; the matter at hand is personal conduct, not faith.

In contrast, I've seen places where it's "We're going to talk about Mormons, but actual Mormons aren't allowed to post."

So...

 

[Rescued One]

I am happy to respect your choice of faith and not try to push my faith on anyone else.
I consider it extremely rude when other people's only objective in conversation with me is to continue to try to proselytize me, especially after I repeatedly tell them "no thank you". Add to that threats of unpleasant afterlife, flaming, being told to "repent" for loving Christ, and complete refusal to see me as anything but a project.

Do you choose to continue reading posts you dislike?

I'm on several Mormon forums: they all welcome people of all faiths. All people are allowed to post wherever and share their belief (of course with rules of conduct). Several of which actually have non-LDS mods whom are well loved and respected. There's no second class treatment.

Thank you for your observation/opinion.

 

[Rescued One]

I myself haven't found any.

Barring a few specific pages created for members of specific individual congregations, all of the "Mormon" message boards and Facebook groups I'm in are open to all believers; the matter at hand is personal conduct, not faith.

In contrast, I've seen places where it's "We're going to talk about Mormons, but actual Mormons aren't allowed to post."

So...

So...if you own or run a site, will you make the rules? Or will you allow any person of any faith to tell you how to run it? Does the owner have any authority?

 

[twin.spin]

Opps wrong thread

 

[Dale]

That'll be handled on a case-by-case basis.

People who never got the chance, or forwent marriage in pursuit of a legitimately higher purpose, likely won't have it counted against them.

If, on the other hand, you didn't get married because you were a disreputable person, then that's going to be where the problems lie.

Here's one thing I don't understand about the Mormon attitute towards marriage, marriage on earth as a prelude to marriage in heaven. For the moment, leave aside the question of whether we are to procreate in heaven. If we are to procreate in heaven, why can't you meet your eternal spouse in heaven? Why do you have to be married on earth, or in the Temple on earth, to be married in heaven? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Jane_Doe]

why can't you meet your eternal spouse in heaven? Why do you have to be married on earth, or in the Temple on earth, to be married in heaven? It doesn't make sense to me.

Missing piece of info for you:
LDS do not believe a person dies, is the immediately judged, and then shipped over to Heaven or Hell. Rather, the Final Judgement of all mankind takes place together, after Christ's Millennial return and all of our resurrection. In the meantime, a person's spirit still exists (and eventually resurrected self). They may still choose to come to Christ, grow, and closer follow Him. This includes the opportunity to repent of sins, accept baptism, and be joined with a spouse.

 

[Rescued One]

Here's one thing I don't understand about the Mormon attitute towards marriage, marriage on earth as a prelude to marriage in heaven. For the moment, leave aside the question of whether we are to procreate in heaven. If we are to procreate in heaven, why can't you meet your eternal spouse in heaven? Why do you have to be married on earth, or in the Temple on earth, to be married in heaven? It doesn't make sense to me.

You can't have the actual ceremony performed anywhere except on earth. And you don't go immediately to judgment or the celestial kingdom. You have to be married in the temple. Celestial marriages can't be performed outside the temple. Any marriage performed outside the temple is until death. If a couple so desires and is found worthy they can have their non-temple marriage sealed in the temple. Sealings are also performed by proxy on earth for those who have died without knowing the Mormon religion.

 

[Rescued One]

Many commentators reject the doctrine of preaching to the dead because, they insist, this gives the disobedient a “second chance.” This problem was answered by Joseph Smith’s great vision of the degrees of glory. Those “kept in prison” in the spirit world rejected the gospel on earth but received it afterward through the missionary labors of those whom the Lord appointed to teach them. (See D&C 138:11–37.) But though Christ’s visit to the righteous, and the missionary force he sent to the wicked, prepared the wicked for judgment, their reward will not be the highest glory. (See D&C 76:73–78.)
Peter’s Letters: - ensign

When contemplating spirit prison, and the spirits which reside there, it is important to note the difference between someone who has received covenants from the Lord verses[versus] someone who has not received covenants from the Lord. There are no second chances for the Lord’s covenant people who have chosen to rebel, as with the rich man. In this scenario it is similar to Mormon’s lament near the end of the Book of Mormon (Mormon 6:16-22 )
Our Heavenly Father, in his multitude of tender mercies, his spirit sons and daughters who have not had the opportunity to learn of his son Jesus Christ, will be taught the principles of the gospel in spirit prison. They will have the opportunity, by proxy, to receive the gospel covenant – to accept or reject – and be judged according to their decisions and choices in this life. The Lord through his infinite knowledge and his perfect plan has made it possible that all of his children will have the opportunity to receive eternal life.
Salvation After Death

 

[Ironhold]

So...if you own or run a site, will you make the rules? Or will you allow any person of any faith to tell you how to run it? Does the owner have any authority?

The point still stands that those "Mormon" forums I've been on have been more open to religious debate than the mainline "Christian" or multi-denominational forums.

 

[Rescued One]

Here's one thing I don't understand about the Mormon attitute towards marriage, marriage on earth as a prelude to marriage in heaven. For the moment, leave aside the question of whether we are to procreate in heaven. If we are to procreate in heaven, why can't you meet your eternal spouse in heaven? Why do you have to be married on earth, or in the Temple on earth, to be married in heaven? It doesn't make sense to me.

Re: Judgment

Here on earth we are often judged as to our worthiness to receive opportunities within the kingdom of God. When we are baptized we are judged worthy to receive this ordinance. When we are called to serve in the Church or interviewed for a priesthood advancement or a temple recommend, we are judged.

Alma taught that when we die our spirits are assigned to a state of happiness or of misery (see Alma 40:11–15). This is a judgment.
Chapter 46: The Final Judgment

The final judgment occurs later.

“Every one of you … must stand before ‘the judgment-seat of the Holy One of Israel … and then must … be judged according to the holy judgment of God.’ (II Nephi 9:15.) And according to the vision of John, ‘The books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.’ (Rev. 20:12.) The ‘books’ spoken of refer to the ‘records [of your works] which are kept on the earth. … The book of life is the record which is kept in heaven.’ (Doc. and Cov. 128:7.)” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Harold B. Lee[2000], 226–27).

There is another record that will be used to judge us. The Apostle Paul taught that we ourselves are a record of our life (see Romans 2:15). Stored in our body and mind is a complete history of everything we have done. President John Taylor taught this truth: “[The individual] tells the story himself, and bears witness against himself. … That record that is written by the man himself in the tablets of his own mind, that record that cannot lie will in that day be unfolded before God and angels, and those who shall sit as judges” (Deseret News, Mar. 8, 1865, 179).
Chapter 46: The Final Judgment

 

[Dale]

You can't have the actual ceremony performed anywhere except on earth. And you don't go immediately to judgment or the celestial kingdom. You have to be married in the temple. Celestial marriages can't be performed outside the temple. Any marriage performed outside the temple is until death. If a couple so desires and is found worthy they can have their non-temple marriage sealed in the temple. Sealings are also performed by proxy on earth for those who have died without knowing the Mormon religion.

You say that an LDS marriage has to be in a Mormon Temple to be valid in heaven.

In the Old Testament, the Jews did not go to the Tabernacle or the Temple to get married. Is the LDS Temple supposed to be like the Old Testament Temple or is something completely different?

 

[Jane_Doe]

You say that an LDS marriage has to be in a Mormon Temple to be valid in heaven.

The information in post 192 is incorrect.

In order for a marriage to be bound in heaven as it is on Earth, a priesthood covenant must be between the Lord & the husband & the wife. Today these covenants are made when the couple is physically in the House of the Lord (aka a temple), but historically that has not always been the case. It is the covenant that matters, not the place it is physical made.

It is also important to note that this covenant can happen at a separate time/place than when a couple is legally married-- the legal contract and the covenant with the Lord are two different things.

 

[tampasteve]

It is the covenant that matters, not the place it is physical made.

Can the covenant be made anywhere other than a Temple? I was under the impression it had to be made in a Temple as the seal had to be made there, which is one of the major reasons for the Temple, according to LDS.org anyways.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Can the covenant be made anywhere other than a Temple? I was under the impression it had to be made in a Temple as the seal had to be made there, which is one of the major reasons for the Temple, according to LDS.org anyways.

Today, it is policy these covenants physically happen in the temple-- that's is indeed one key reason for having such places set apart. The room where sealings occur is set apart only for sealings.

Historically that has not always been the case. For one example, the Endowment House was used during the long time building the Salt Lake Temple. Mormon Endowment House

 

[tampasteve]

Today, it is policy these covenants physically happen in the temple-- that's is indeed one key reason for having such places set apart. The room where sealings occur is set apart only for sealings.

Historically that has not always been the case. For one example, the Endowment House was used during the long time building the Salt Lake Temple. Mormon Endowment House

So it is policy, but not Doctrine? So it could be changed if the leadership desires to or there is Prophesy to change it?