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LDS Mormon Requirements for Eternal Life

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The first question refers to "God the Eternal Father." This is highly misleading because Mormons don't believe that God the Father has always existed.

As I remember, Orson Pratt was an LDS Apostle, a member of the Board of the church. Brigham Young, President of the LDS church at the time, excommunicated Orson Pratt because Pratt said that God is eternal, that God has always existed.
It might had something to do with this:
Here is what the Prophet Joseph Smith taught according to the (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith [1976], page 345).
In a sermon given at the funeral of Elder King Follett on 7 April 1844, the Prophet Joseph Smith taught: "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. ...-I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form-like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man;"
 
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It might had something to do with this:
Here is what the Prophet Joseph Smith taught according to the (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith [1976], page 345).
In a sermon given at the funeral of Elder King Follett on 7 April 1844, the Prophet Joseph Smith taught: "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. ...-I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form-like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man;"
Actually this statement isn't cannon and doesn't play any active role in the LDS faith. And LDS person is free to agree or disagree or be oblivious etc. And even if you want to consider, it doesn't change the statement that "LDS believe the Father is eternal" (I'll spare you the long theological explanation here, unless you want hear it).

Trying to "invalidate" the LDS faith with this is just downright silly.
 
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Actually this statement isn't cannon and doesn't play any active role in the LDS faith. And LDS person is free to agree or disagree or be oblivious etc. And even if you want to consider, it doesn't change the statement that "LDS believe the Father is eternal" (I'll spare you the long theological explanation here, unless you want hear it).

Trying to "invalidate" the LDS faith with non-canonical quotes that don't even address the subject at hand is just downright silly.

Who cares if it not ... Prophet Joseph Smith would not teach something that is false or misleading. Right?
I've studied LDS theology and spoke to countless other Mormons and frankly I'd rather believe what former LDS prophets had to say even if you try to explain it away as "isn't cannon".

Fact is the only one here that is "invalidating" the LDS faith is the people who rather look the other way from what God revealed in the Bible and non-retracted statements from LDS former prophets and leaders and subsequent official materials.
 
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A Prophet is not always prophesying. They can make individual theological statements and opinions (and obviously non-theological statements), but that does not mean it is coming from Prophesy. Their statements and opinions are heavily weighed, and usually treated as truth and canon, but in the end one is able to not believe if one chooses.
 
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Who cares if it not ... .
People who care about being truthful and getting their facts straight & following Christ. When someone knowingly presents something falsely is to bear false witness and thoroughly convinces people that person doesn't know Christ.

I'm assuming you are a Christian twin.spin, and would want to be truthful.
Prophet Joseph Smith would not teach something that is false or misleading. Right?
I've studied LDS theology and spoke to countless other Mormons and frankly I'd rather believe what former LDS prophets had to say even if you try to explain it away as "isn't cannon".
If you want to pedestal LDS prophets far more than LDS theology does, that's your choice.
Fact is the only one here that is "invalidating" the LDS faith is the people who rather look the other way from what God revealed in the Bible and non-retracted statements from LDS former prophets and leaders and subsequent official materials.
This is so silly...
 
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Actually this statement isn't cannon and doesn't play any active role in the LDS faith. And LDS person is free to agree or disagree or be oblivious etc. And even if you want to consider, it doesn't change the statement that "LDS believe the Father is eternal" (I'll spare you the long theological explanation here, unless you want hear it).

Trying to "invalidate" the LDS faith with this is just downright silly.
Is lds.ord "just downright silly"? Or is it the place to go for information about what the lds teach and/or believe?

Becoming Like God

"The following April, feeling he was “never in any nearer relationship to God than at the present time,”34 Joseph Smith spoke about the nature of God and the future of humankind to the Saints, who had gathered for a general Church conference. He used the occasion in part to reflect upon the death of a Church member named King Follett, who had died unexpectedly a month earlier. When he rose to speak, the wind was blowing, so Joseph asked his listeners to give him their “profound attention” and to “pray that the L[ord] may strengthen my lungs” and stay the winds until his message had been delivered.35"

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Joseph told the assembled Saints, “You have got to learn how to be a god yourself.”39 In order to do that, the Saints needed to learn godliness, or to be more like God.

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Since that sermon, known as the King Follett discourse, the doctrine that humans can progress to exaltation and godliness has been taught within the Church. Lorenzo Snow, the Church’s fifth President, coined a well-known couplet: “As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.”43

Seems like your prophet thought he was speaking for God. And your church, on its official website, is calling it a "doctrine" and has been taught in your church.

Jane, this is where your credibility goes way down. Seems like you are not being honest or don't actually know what your church teaches and/or has been taught.
 
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Is lds.ord "just downright silly"?
Trying to "disprove" faith by quoting something which can be ignored and doesn't address the topic at hand is silly.
Or is it the place to go for information about what the lds teach and/or believe?

Becoming Like God

"The following April, feeling he was “never in any nearer relationship to God than at the present time,”34 Joseph Smith spoke about the nature of God and the future of humankind to the Saints, who had gathered for a general Church conference. He used the occasion in part to reflect upon the death of a Church member named King Follett, who had died unexpectedly a month earlier. When he rose to speak, the wind was blowing, so Joseph asked his listeners to give him their “profound attention” and to “pray that the L[ord] may strengthen my lungs” and stay the winds until his message had been delivered.35"

...

Joseph told the assembled Saints, “You have got to learn how to be a god yourself.”39 In order to do that, the Saints needed to learn godliness, or to be more like God.

...

Since that sermon, known as the King Follett discourse, the doctrine that humans can progress to exaltation and godliness has been taught within the Church. Lorenzo Snow, the Church’s fifth President, coined a well-known couplet: “As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.”43

Seems like your prophet thought he was speaking for God. And your church, on its official website, is calling it a "doctrine" and has been taught in your church.

Jane, this is where your credibility goes way down. Seems like you are not being honest or don't actually know what your church teaches and/or has been taught.
And once again a whole different topic.

I am admittedly getting very tired of this.
 
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Just throwing this thought out there--

Part of being a disciple of Christ is loving your fellow man. Another part of it is being truthful. I have a passion for visiting other churches and hearing the people there share there beliefs with me-- I may not share their beliefs, but I do want to love them and truthfully understand them. So I visit and I listen. Over and over again. I've visited/studied Lutheran beliefs, Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical, Methodists, Episcopalian, Calvary Chapel, JW, Islam, Baha'i, Hindu, nondenom Christian, Christ-Scientist, and so many more. Do I agree with their beliefs are thinking they are teaching the Gospel 100% True? No. But it is part of my duty as a disciple of Christ to be loving and truthful about what they believe. Ignorance, blindness, and hate are not Christian virtues.
 
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The first question refers to "God the Eternal Father." This is highly misleading because Mormons don't believe that God the Father has always existed.

As I remember, Orson Pratt was an LDS Apostle, a member of the Board of the church. Brigham Young, President of the LDS church at the time, excommunicated Orson Pratt because Pratt said that God is eternal, that God has always existed.

It's very screwy --- they have been confused. The teaching according to Joseph Smith is that not only did God always exist, but everyone else did, too. I think I explained this in another thread, but I don't recall which one.

They also redefine the word eternal.
 
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It's very screwy --- they have been confused. The teaching according to Joseph Smith is that not only did God always exist, but everyone else did, too. I think I explained this in another thread, but I don't recall which one.

They also redefine the word eternal.

Thanks for that insight, Phoebe Ann!
 
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Just throwing this thought out there--

Part of being a disciple of Christ is loving your fellow man. Another part of it is being truthful. I have a passion for visiting other churches and hearing the people there share there beliefs with me-- I may not share their beliefs, but I do want to love them and truthfully understand them. So I visit and I listen. Over and over again. I've visited/studied Lutheran beliefs, Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical, Methodists, Episcopalian, Calvary Chapel, JW, Islam, Baha'i, Hindu, nondenom Christian, Christ-Scientist, and so many more. Do I agree with their beliefs are thinking they are teaching the Gospel 100% True? No. But it is part of my duty as a disciple of Christ to be loving and truthful about what they believe. Ignorance, blindness, and hate are not Christian virtues.

No one knows what a group of people believe because you were in the group and didn't believe the same as everyone else in the room or building. You can't be truthful about the beliefs of others; you don't know what each individual believes.

You may have information about the teachings of those organizations.
 
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No one knows what a group of people believe because you were in the group and didn't believe the same as everyone else in the room or building. You can't be truthful about the beliefs of others; you don't know what each individual believes.

You may have information about the teachings of those organizations.
Organizations don't save, and individuals may vary from the organization.

Hence my stress on getting in their and talking to individuals about what they believe-- for me, this is part of my loving each of them and being truthful.
 
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Trying to "disprove" faith by quoting something which can be ignored and doesn't address the topic at hand is silly.

And once again a whole different topic.

I am admittedly getting very tired of this.
Yes it is silly how you keep avoiding difficult questions for you to answer. I get tired of you not addressing them, too.
 
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Just throwing this thought out there--

Part of being a disciple of Christ is loving your fellow man. Another part of it is being truthful. I have a passion for visiting other churches and hearing the people there share there beliefs with me-- I may not share their beliefs, but I do want to love them and truthfully understand them. So I visit and I listen. Over and over again. I've visited/studied Lutheran beliefs, Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical, Methodists, Episcopalian, Calvary Chapel, JW, Islam, Baha'i, Hindu, nondenom Christian, Christ-Scientist, and so many more. Do I agree with their beliefs are thinking they are teaching the Gospel 100% True? No. But it is part of my duty as a disciple of Christ to be loving and truthful about what they believe. Ignorance, blindness, and hate are not Christian virtues.
To quote you...
And once again a whole different topic.
 
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Organizations don't save, and individuals may vary from the organization.

Hence my stress on getting in their and talking to individuals about what they believe-- for me, this is part of my loving each of them and being truthful.
But you are not being truthful when you say "lds believe... (or don't believe...)". You are taking it upon yourself to speak for your organization. And many times you are proven wrong - that despite what you personally believe, a certain topic can be shown to be taught and/or endorsed by your organization through official teaching manuals or from lds.org.
 
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Actually no. According to CF, I am a "nonChristian" and hence a 2nd-class citizen subject to a whole bunch of extra rules, including the inability to start threads on this sub-forum.

Kind of like being a second class Mormon who hasn't had his/her endowments, or is divorced and remains single, or has a non-Mormon spouse.
 
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