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You are entitled to your opinions but The Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Judiaca and the Talmud disagree with you.Hang on, you should learn the difference between refuting a point and making one. I'm well aware of the rabbinical tradition regarding an afterlife, I said in the Old Testament hell is unknown and as a biblical doctrine it is.
I was already aware of most of that, certainly the New Testament quotes. It seemed irrelevant to annihilation and it still does.
In response I will just consider all your posts irrelevant too.
Finally a proof text the Greek for 'eternal' simply means forever, 'punishment' is 'kolasis G2851 κόλασις',
Punishment: akin to kolazo (PUNISH, No. 1), "punishment," is used in Mat 25:46, "(eternal) punishment," and 1Jo 4:18, "(fear hath) punishment," RV (AV, "torment"), which there describes a process, not merely an effect; this kind of fear is expelled by perfect love; where God's love is being perfected in us, it gives no room for the fear of meeting with His reprobation; the "punishment" referred to is the immediate consequence of the sense of sin, not a holy awe but a slavish fear, the negation of the enjoyment of love. (Vine’s Dictionary)
Vine was born in the second quarter of 1873, in Blandford Forum Dorset. His father ran the Mount Radford School, which moved to Exeter in 1875, and it was in this location that Vine was raised. He became a Christian at an early age and was baptised in the Plymouth Brethren assembly in Fore Street, Exeter. At 17, Vine became a teacher at his father's school, before moving to Aberystwyth to study at the University College of Wales. He later completed his education at the University of London, receiving a BA and MA in Ancient Classics in 1906.
You are entitled to your opinion. Jesus criticized the Jews on a number of occasions. Why would He teach doctrines to the Jews which supported the existing belief in hell rather than criticizing them and teach the doctrine of annihilation, if that is what He believed?He is the only one in the Bible that teaches a formal doctrine of hell. Now there were other traditions and teachings but his failure to speak to those isn't the same thing as an endorsement. If he went around debating their traditions he wouldn't have had time for much else, they went on forever.
These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, (1Th. 1:9)
As I have pointed out elsewhere in this thread the word translated "destruction" does not necessarily mean to cease to exist. Something that does not exist cannot be "from the presence of the Lord" or anything else.Guess your estimation is wrong.Notice Rev. 20:10 says they will be tormented forever. Other places the fire is said to burn forever but the appears to be the only place that insists that they are tormented forever, at least in my estimation.
Revelation 14:10-11
(10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
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