Col 2:16 is about not judging others

[Joelthe vicious]

How often do you trust God? Just Saturday?

The Sabbath : "OF THE LORD", is not about me or you.
"The Sabbath OF THE LORD" is about the TRUSTFUL FAITHFUL GOD, being "THE DAY OF THE LORD GOD" WHO : "on the Seventh Day", "the day ... God ... as in times past through the prophets ... in these last days ... BY THE SON, thus concerning SPAKE : And GOD, the day The Seventh Day from ALL, HIS WORKS HE, accomplished, finished, "MADE" and hallowed and perfected, "RESTED" -- "rested" in, by, and through Jesus Christ, "having RAISED Him from the dead" : "in" and "on", and "with-Sabbath's-time-in-its-fullness-of-fulfilment" ['opse Sabbatohn' Matthew 28:1] through and by "Christ the All in all fulfilling FULLNESS OF GOD", "in full accordance with all the Scriptures concerning the Christ, how that He had to SUFFER" : and be crucified "and DIED, and was BURIED, and the third day according to the SCRIPTURES, ROSE", as God "EXALTED Him ... His Majesty ... The Most Holy Place ... in heavenly places ... at his own Right Hand".

 

[Joelthe vicious]

You can trust God one day a week if you want to, but I trust in Him everyday. ... “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.”

“Today, if you hear His Voice,” --- not the subjective first person first, protest, 'You can trust God one day a week if you want to, but I trust in Him everyday.'

'I trust in Him everyday', implying, I don't. If you want to. It's OK with me; of no weight whatsoever.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

Did you know that every covenant has a "sign of the covenant"? The Ten Commandments was the Old Covenant (Exodus 34:28). And the SIGN of the Old Covenant was the Sabbath (Exodus 31:13).

Absolutely, it was. And I, absolutely, agree!

So what? "God the Seventh Day rested and was revived", remember?

“THEREFORE remember the Sabbath Day!”, remember?

 

[Joelthe vicious]

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
(There are two different sets of commandments in the verse above.)

Untrue, incorrect, weak, sub standard apologetics.

It's like saying there were two (mutually opposing) wills of God when Jesus prayed God's only, mutual, equal Will "on earth as it is in heaven", "be done":
"Pass Me this Cup, but not My Will, but Thy Will, Father, I pray", of our, one, and equal Suffering and Will, be done.

So is it with the SAME Commandment of the Father and of the Son, of the in equilibrium Law of their only Will in Jesus Christ so that there is this ONLY Divine Law Principle in any 'set of commandments' the Father's or the Son's.

 

[BABerean2]

Untrue, incorrect, weak, sub standard apologetics.

It's like saying there were two (mutually opposing) wills of God when Jesus prayed God's only, mutual, equal Will "on earth as it is in heaven", "be done":
"Pass Me this Cup, but not My Will, but Thy Will, Father, I pray", of our, one, and equal Suffering and Will, be done.

So is it with the SAME Commandment of the Father and of the Son, of the in equilibrium Law of their only Will in Jesus Christ so that there is this ONLY Divine Law Principle in any 'set of commandments' the Father's or the Son's.

Mar_16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Joh_20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Act_20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Co_16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


There is nothing wrong with meeting on the first day of the week, or any other day.

It is not the mark of the beast, as the followers of the "prophetess" Ellen G. White often claim...


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[Joelthe vicious]

Act 15:10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
(Peter could not have been talking about circumcision, because it was something they did bear.)

Read the whole, and read the only right and true Scripture; not part only and read your false rendering of it. Therefore read,
"God put no difference between us and them, God, who purified THEIR HEARTS BY FAITH (the way He purified our hearts by faith alone). THEREFORE now, Why do YOU (hypocrites and cult who demand the law of Moses must be kept because you believe circumcision and not faith necessary to be saved), why do you, tempt God to put a yoke (the yoke of circumcision) on the disciples’ neck which yoke neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that THROUGH THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST we shall be saved, SAVED EVEN AS THEY were SAVED”— THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD", ONLY!

Peter could not have been talking about anything else than circumcision, because it was the thing they convened for, for circumcision to be talked about. And also for talking about "the unbelieving (not the believing) Jews (who stirred up the Gentiles and made their MINDS EVIL AFFECTED AGAINST THE (BELIEVING) BRETHREN" who had no issue over circumcision or anything else like the Law in general or the Law in particular as pertaining the Fourth Commandment for that matter.

Which is exactly what the BABerean is doing. So, whose side must the BABerean be on? Not necessary to guess, on the trouble stirrers' side. Titus 3:9.

 

[BABerean2]

Peter could not have been talking about anything else than circumcision, because it was the thing they convened for, for circumcision to be talked about.

Really...

In context.

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Peter could not have been speaking only of circumcision, because it was something they did bear.

Verse 24 above proves your argument to be in error.

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[Joelthe vicious]

What type of sins does a Christian commit who is dead to sin?

A Christian is one IN CHRIST who is dead to sin but alive unto and living for Christ. When a dead in sin sinner is raised to life in Christ, he no longer is dead in sin but becomes dead to sin, and for him to live is Christ, and to die (to sin), gain.

He is not bothered with sin, but joys in Christ and His salvation wrought. There's no 'types of sin' for him. Sin is for a Christian, sin; but righteousness, "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS!" Same as in the Old Testament times.
So is the Sabbath for the Christian the Lord's Day, and keeping it his privilege and joy in the duty of the Body of Christ's Own. Same as in the Old Testament times.

No, say the Sunday apostles... Behold, I have read it with my own eyes, No, say the Sunday apostles if you say this of God's Seventh Day Sabbath, 'You are in your sins still, Christ is become of no effect unto you, you are fallen from grace. Christ shall profit you nothing!' Yes, I did read it many times!

 

[Joelthe vicious]

Really...

In context.

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Peter could not have been speaking only of circumcision, because it was something they did bear.

Verse 24 above proves your argument to be in error.

If that is what you say, who am I to say that what you say is not what it is for you.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

On Galatians… http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/Book 4, 3.Gal.pdf

 

[Joelthe vicious]

Mar_16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Yes, "when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared"

Mar_16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Yes, "when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, He appeared"… totally correct. Whom did He “appear” to? To Mary Magdalene. To whom did Jesus early the first day of the week first appear? To Mary Magdalene. Totally correct! Of course!


Did I say different?

 

[Dkh587]

The Colossians were Sabbath keepers.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yes, "when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared"


Yes, "when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, He appeared"… totally correct. Whom did He “appear” to? To Mary Magdalene. To whom did Jesus early the first day of the week first appear? To Mary Magdalene. Totally correct! Of course!


Did I say different?

Joel, I see you are new to the site. Welcome. I think you will enjoy posting.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

Joh_20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Actually your reference is arbitrary. Nevertheless something interesting...
Q~Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week~Q
Οὔσης οὖν ὀψίας τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ἐκείνῃ τῇ μιᾷ σαββάτων,
Οὔσης being
οὖν then
ὀψίας evening
ὀψίας τῇ ἡμέρᾳ Dative of Reference "evening with reference to the day"
ἐκείνῃ Relative Pronoun "evening with reference to the day that, day"
ἐκείνῃ τῇ μιᾷ σαββάτων "evening with reference to the day that, day the First Day of the week"
So then,
"Being the evening with reference to the day that day (on) the First Day of the week."
The Subject of the Participle(-Verb) "being" (οὔσης) being "evening" (οὔσης ὀψίας) and not 'being on the day' (οὔσης τῇ ἡμέρᾳ), "It was evening with Reference to that day the First Day of the week" and not 'It was the same day'. "Day" is not the Subject of the Participle(-Verb) "being" (‘it was’) (οὔσης).
Therefore "Being the evening with reference to the day that day (on) the First Day of the week" refers to the evening after the First Day to which reference is being made back, with the Dative of reference, with the Relative Pronoun, as well as with the Subject of the sentence or phrase.

How on earth then can John 20:19 tell when Jesus resurrected? Did He rise on Sunday night? Impossible.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

There is nothing wrong with meeting on the first day of the week, or any other day.

Yea, maybe not. But with Scripture it has nothing to do. And meaning Sunday replaces the Lord's Day Sabbath on merit of the Lord Jesus Christ's Resurrection from the dead on it, it is gross error for the sole reason it is wilful human insistence contrary all the Holy Scriptures of Christian Faith.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Actually your reference is arbitrary. Nevertheless something interesting...
Q~Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week~Q
Οὔσης οὖν ὀψίας τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ἐκείνῃ τῇ μιᾷ σαββάτων,
Οὔσης being
οὖν then
ὀψίας evening
ὀψίας τῇ ἡμέρᾳ Dative of Reference "evening with reference to the day"
ἐκείνῃ Relative Pronoun "evening with reference to the day that, day"
ἐκείνῃ τῇ μιᾷ σαββάτων "evening with reference to the day that, day the First Day of the week"
So then,
"Being the evening with reference to the day that day (on) the First Day of the week."
The Subject of the Participle(-Verb) "being" (οὔσης) being "evening" (οὔσης ὀψίας) and not 'being on the day' (οὔσης τῇ ἡμέρᾳ), "It was evening with Reference to that day the First Day of the week" and not 'It was the same day'. "Day" is not the Subject of the Participle(-Verb) "being" (‘it was’) (οὔσης).
Therefore "Being the evening with reference to the day that day (on) the First Day of the week" refers to the evening after the First Day to which reference is being made back, with the Dative of reference, with the Relative Pronoun, as well as with the Subject of the sentence or phrase.

How on earth then can John 20:19 tell when Jesus resurrected? Did He rise on Sunday night? Impossible.

He rose on our Saturday night, sometime after sunset. What's the problem? Anytime after sunset begins another day.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

The Colossians were Sabbath keepers.

o yes they were! Paul as it were wrote this Song for the Sabbath Day,

13While dead in your sins God who raised Christ from the dead forgave you all trespasses having quickened you together with Him.
14Nailing it to the cross and removing it altogether, Christ blotted out the damning law against us; 15and putting off and ruining the rulers and the authorities [of darkness 1:13], He publicly held them up to shame, triumphing over them in it. [If ye then be raised with Christ 3:1], 16THEN THEREFORE, don’t you let yourselves be judged and condemned by anyone (of the world 2:8, 20) in your eating and drinking or with regard to your eating and drinking of feast, whether of month’s or of Sabbaths’—17all which shadows forth what soon must be, the BODY and SUBSTANCE OF CHRIST!
18Let no man not holding to the Head [but] puffed up by his fleshly mind, who conceitedly meddles in what he knows nothing about (the mystery which is Christ 1:28), with his pretentious humility and angelic worship beguile you (with enticing words 2:4) of your reward.
19Because holding to the Head nourishment being ministered, all the Body (of Christ’s Own 1:18) by joints and bands [of faith 2:12 Hosea 11:4; peace Ephesians 4:3; and charity Colossians 3:14], and knit together (in love 2:2), will grow with the growth of God.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

He rose on our Saturday night, sometime after sunset. What's the problem? Anytime after sunset begins another day.

John 20:19 tells of Jesus' fourth appearance on Sunday night; not of his resurrection "on the Sabbath" Matthew 28:1.

 

[BABerean2]

If that is what you say, who am I to say that what you say is not what it is for you.

Forget what I say and what you say...

What does the Book of Acts say?

Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

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[1stcenturylady]

John 20:19 tells of Jesus' fourth appearance on Sunday night; not of his resurrection "on the Sabbath" Matthew 28:1.

He didn't rise on the Sabbath.