Saved by Faith or grace?

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The point is that you claimed the Holy Spirit acted in this way :

I've been compelled or moved to help someone in some way, and virtues such as faith, hope, and love, (the basic defining virtues of man's justice) increase in me as I do.


There is no proof that what you described is unequivocally a transformation initiated by the Holy Spirit as non believers have also been moved to great deeds of philanthropy without the benefit of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

The difference in my experience is that i no longer measure transformation in terms of altruistic or moral change or lack (its not me that sinned, getting bad thoughts or feelings, it's sin within me) but rather measure it by remaining in Christ, having his words abide in me, being loyal, keeping the faith, because faith is rewarded with grace, favor, and grace is sufficient for what God has created me for.

This is the enlightenment that the Holy Spirit leads into, confirmed by many passages in Scripture. Whilst on the other hand nowhere does any experience of grace sanctifying a believer ever get mentioned.

The evidence you describe will never prepare you for what God has created man for.

Hint: it's not sufficient and it's not for entry into heaven.
Again, "enlightenment" is subjective, not unequivocal proof either, although what I've said doesn't deny but rather supports it. But faith in any case-keeping the faith- involves much more than belief. It means to act. Christianity becomes a mockery once true righteousness, with works accompanying, is divorced from our being just. Because Christianity is about change, and Satan prefers that we stay how we were, unconcerned with our attraction to sin.

So failing to overcome sin/unrighteousness is definitely a mark of our being unjustified, of our separation from God, and while faking righteousness doesn't work either-since that righteousness is just "filthy rags", being the "righteousness" of man as it were- righteousness can nonetheless be authentic, the "righteousness of God" that He created man to have. And, sorry, but yes, we know it when we experience it, as we change, a we're molded. We know when we're doing things right, for the right reasons, when justice is operative in us because God's wisely given us that sense, that knowledge of moral integrity or wholeness. So we have passages like Matt 25:31-46 that actually give us the criteria for our judgment, since those works spoken of, done for "the least of these", reflect our state of justice, our possession of faith, hope, and love to put it another way. While they're not unequivocal proof, they're nonetheless examples of some 'necessary reflections' for believers, to the extent we have the ability to accomplish them. And we know in any case from Gal 6:7-10 and other passages that we'll reap what we sow.
 
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Abraham's faith was a gift of grace. But there's a reason why that faith was counted to him as righteousness. And that reason is because Abraham chose correctly. IOW he could've chosen not to listen to and heed God, but he did otherwise; he obeyed, he acted on faith, on his trust in God.

Adam did otherwise at the beginning. It's all a matter of the will in the end, aided but never overridden by grace. God doesn't cause anyone to sin, or force obedience either. If He did Adam would be either blameless (if God wanted and caused him to sin), or, better yet, would've remained sinless (if God causes/forces obedience), which would've precluded the Fall and all the pain and suffering that resulted. Man is, simply put, a morally accountable being.
 
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The way I understand it ,is that by "grace" i.e because the Lord chooses to give it,we also receive "faith" as a "gift" in terms of Eph 2:8.In other words "faith" is not something we choose to generate from ourselves (subjectively) it is objectively given by God due to His loving kindness and mercy.
Our deeds or conduct should be a demonstration to other brother and sisters in Christ as well as other non-believers that we represent the Body of Christ as children of God's family "the Spirit of sonship...16.The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children."(Rom.8:15-16).

Sorry if this sounds rather elitist,but our behavior(deeds) should should reflect the fact that we are "children of God's family"(above) as an an example to the world that our Christlike deeds are all to the glory of God and not ourselves.

Eph. 2:8-9 - This verse refers to the “works” of the Mosaic law or any works performed in a legalistic sense, where we view God as a debtor to us, and not as our heavenly Father. Paul is teaching us that, with the coming of Christ, we are now saved by grace through faith, not by Mosaic or legal works.

This is why Paul refers to “works of ourselves” and so we can’t “boast.” Paul says the same thing about “works” Rom. 4:2,4 – if Abraham was justified by “works,” he would have something to “boast” about. Here, the wages are not counted as grace, but debt. “Boasting” does not attribute works to God, but to oneself. But good works done in faith are necessary for justification (James 2:24, etc.) because we receive rewards by grace, not by legal obligation, and we attribute these works to God, not ourselves.

Eph. 2:10 – In this verse. Right after Paul’s teaching on “works” referring to Mosaic law, Paul says we are created in Christ for “good works” – a clear distinction between “works of law” (Mosaic law/legal payment) and “good works” (law of Christ/reward of grace).

Rom 8:14-17- "14 All who are guided by the Spirit of God are sons of God; for what you received was not the spirit of slavery to bring you back into fear; you received the spirit of adoption, enabling us to cry out, 'Abba, Father!' 15 The Spirit himself joins with our spirit to bear witness that we are children of God. And if we are children, then we are heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ, provided that we share his suffering, so as to share his glory." - Mark 14:36 is placed on our lips because the Spirit makes us children of God: "'Abba, Father!" he said, 'For you everything is possible. Take this cup away from me. But let it be as you, not I, would have it.'"

 
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Three things, faith, hope, love. Love is greater then all.

Grace is a fourth thing, if you want.

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Faith, hope, and love are all gifts of grace themselves. We cannot achieve them with the level God desires of and for us without grace, without communion with God.
 
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Try to substitute your meaning in the text which says:

You have been saved by grace through faith and it is a gift from God lest any should boast

I've gone into the Greek to explain that "it" qualifies "salvation", a "grace through faith" (favor through loyalty) salvation, in other threads.
The meaning of grace is generally the same to us regardless of where we see it appearing in Scripture.
 
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Again, "enlightenment" is subjective, not unequivocal proof either, although what I've said doesn't deny but rather supports it. But faith in any case-keeping the faith- involves much more than belief. It means to act. Christianity becomes a mockery once true righteousness, with works accompanying, is divorced from our being just. Because Christianity is about change, and Satan prefers that we stay how we were, unconcerned with our attraction to sin.

So failing to overcome sin/unrighteousness is definitely a mark of our being unjustified, of our separation from God, and while faking righteousness doesn't work either-since that righteousness is just "filthy rags", being the "righteousness" of man as it were- righteousness can nonetheless be authentic, the "righteousness of God" that He created man to have. And, sorry, but yes, we know it when we experience it, as we change, a we're molded. We know when we're doing things right, for the right reasons, when justice is operative in us because God's wisely given us that sense, that knowledge of moral integrity or wholeness. So we have passages like Matt 25:31-46 that actually give us the criteria for our judgment, since those works spoken of, done for "the least of these", reflect our state of justice, our possession of faith, hope, and love to put it another way. While they're not unequivocal proof, they're nonetheless examples of some 'necessary reflections' for believers, to the extent we have the ability to accomplish them. And we know in any case from Gal 6:7-10 and other passages that we'll reap what we sow.
Knowing what to do is picking up our cross daily to follow Christ. Telling people what Scripture teaches and facing vilification for teaching hard doctrines. And God raising you up by sharing Scripture to support your views and silencing your critics. That's what Christ did. In addition to performing miracles. Which he could do because he had answered God's voice to come out of Egypt, to give up the flesh and live on every word that proceeded from the Father. To convince men that God was present with him. So that they would come out of the flesh. Fulfilling the prophecy that the world would be blessed through Abraham's seed.

Giving a cup of water to even the least of these is to make friends with unrighteous riches with those who have given up the flesh to follow Christ.

So how are you fulfilling prophecy?
 
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Eph. 2:8-9 - This verse refers to the “works” of the Mosaic law or any works performed in a legalistic sense, where we view God as a debtor to us, and not as our heavenly Father. Paul is teaching us that, with the coming of Christ, we are now saved by grace through faith, not by Mosaic or legal works.

This is why Paul refers to “works of ourselves” and so we can’t “boast.” Paul says the same thing about “works” Rom. 4:2,4 – if Abraham was justified by “works,” he would have something to “boast” about. Here, the wages are not counted as grace, but debt. “Boasting” does not attribute works to God, but to oneself. But good works done in faith are necessary for justification (James 2:24, etc.) because we receive rewards by grace, not by legal obligation, and we attribute these works to God, not ourselves.

Eph. 2:10 – In this verse. Right after Paul’s teaching on “works” referring to Mosaic law, Paul says we are created in Christ for “good works” – a clear distinction between “works of law” (Mosaic law/legal payment) and “good works” (law of Christ/reward of grace).

Rom 8:14-17- "14 All who are guided by the Spirit of God are sons of God; for what you received was not the spirit of slavery to bring you back into fear; you received the spirit of adoption, enabling us to cry out, 'Abba, Father!' 15 The Spirit himself joins with our spirit to bear witness that we are children of God. And if we are children, then we are heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ, provided that we share his suffering, so as to share his glory." - Mark 14:36 is placed on our lips because the Spirit makes us children of God: "'Abba, Father!" he said, 'For you everything is possible. Take this cup away from me. But let it be as you, not I, would have it.'"
Paul is writing to gentiles who are not under Mosaic law.
 
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The meaning of grace is generally the same to us regardless of where we see it appearing in Scripture.
So :

You have been saved by the energy of God, or God himself, by belief, and that belief is a gift lest anyone should boast? The Gentiles were given faith? Why should they boast if they were given the same thing as Israel? It only makes sense of they are boasting that God had chosen them because they were more righteous than Israel.

Over and over Jesus said if my COMMANDS, COMMANDS, COMMANDS, remain in you ,not facts about his divinity, his messiah ship, his resurrection, his ascension to the Father, etc.

The servants spoke the same message, and when they were killed, God sent the Son, expecting the tenants would at least respect the One who claimed to be the Son, the heir.

The FACTS should lead to OBEDIENCE.

Your understanding should make a paradigm shift because the paradigm I presented is more coherent, cogent, and COMPREHENSIVE than the simplistic, medieval, dark ages paradigm you presented. We will go through all the Scripture to show where it touches all the base points, shortly.

Even before the ink dried on the text, Scripture shows people were being corrected from deviation.
 
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So :

You have been saved by the energy of God, or God himself, by belief, and that belief is a gift lest anyone should boast? The Gentiles were given faith? Why should they boast if they were given the same thing as Israel? It only makes sense of they are boasting that God had chosen them because they were more righteous than Israel.

Over and over Jesus said if my COMMANDS, COMMANDS, COMMANDS, remain in you ,not facts about his divinity, his messiah ship, his resurrection, his ascension to the Father, etc.

The servants spoke the same message, and when they were killed, God sent the Son, expecting the tenants would at least respect the One who claimed to be the Son, the heir.

The FACTS should lead to OBEDIENCE.

Your understanding should make a paradigm shift because the paradigm I presented is more coherent, cogent, and COMPREHENSIVE than the simplistic, medieval, dark ages paradigm you presented. We will go through all the Scripture to show where it touches all the base points, shortly.

Even before the ink dried on the text, Scripture shows people were being corrected from deviation.
I'm sorry. I don't understand all such complicated mumbo jumbo. I only know that God wants all to come to Him, and to be one with Him. He is everywhere and fills all things. God is Love. That is why he gave us His commandments, because walking in His commandments leads to Love and to Him.
 
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LoveofTruth said in post #103:

and what works are those?

God's and ours.

For 2 Corinthians 5:9, 1 Corinthians 3:9, Colossians 1:29, Philippians 2:12b, Titus 3:8, and Romans 2:6-8 show that Christians themselves must actually labor, along with God. Ultimate salvation is synergistic, because Christians can end up losing their salvation if they wrongly employ their free will to stop their laboring, to become utterly lazy without repentance (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).

LoveofTruth said in post #103:

The works are of God, the work He did without us on the cross and the work he does in us at the new birth and during our walk in the Spirit and our daily faith as we abide in Christ.

Note that while God makes it possible for Christians to do the right thing (Philippians 2:13, John 15:4-5), He doesn't take away their free will, turning them into robots, or into macabre flesh puppets, mere marionettes whom He forces to dance across the stage as He pulls on their strings. Instead, He leaves them as His real children with free will. And so they have to choose each and every day to deny themselves, to take up their crosses, and to follow Jesus Christ, to the end (Luke 9:23, Matthew 24:13). And there is no assurance that they will choose to do that (Matthew 25:26,30, Luke 12:45-46, Luke 8:13).
 
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Wordkeeper said in post #106:

Grace is if you go to a dinner wearing a t shirt when the invitation said black tie, and the host is gracious, lenient, and says, "Don't worry, please come in" instead of throwing you out.

That brought to mind a different scenario:

Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Here the wedding garment represents the righteousness of Christians (Revelation 19:8), which is conditional not only on their continued faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22), but also on their continued doing of righteous deeds (1 John 3:7, James 2:24). Some Christians will end up suffering the fate of Matthew 22:13 because of unrepentant laziness (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a, Romans 2:6-8); or because of unrepentant sinfulness (Luke 12:45-46, Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27), or apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12b).
 
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Paul is writing to gentiles who are not under Mosaic law.

Well I must say. It is not often one sees a protestor who agrees.

Rom. 3:20,28; Gal. 2:16,21; 3:2,5,10; Eph. 2:8-9 - Paul means by “works of the law” in his teaching on justification. Paul’s teaching that we are not justified by “works of the law” refer to the law of Moses or to any legal system that makes God our debtor. They do not refer to good works done in grace with faith in Christ. This makes sense when we remember that Paul’s mission was to teach that salvation was also for the Gentiles who were not subject to the “works of the law.” Here is the proof:

James 2:24 – compare the verse “a man is justified by works and not by faith alone” to Gal. 2:16 – “a man is not justified by works of the law,” and Rom. 3:20,28 – “no human being will be justified in His sight by works of the law.” James 2:24 appears to be inconsistent with Gal. 2:16 and Rom. 3:20,28 until one realizes that the Word of God cannot contradict itself. This means that the “works” in James 2:24 are different from the “works of the law in Gal. 2:16 and Rom. 3:20,28. James is referring to “good works” (e.g.,clothing the naked; giving food to the poor) and Paul is referring to the “Mosaic law” (which included both the legal, moral and ceremonial law) or any works which oblige God to give us payment. Here is more proof:

Rom. 3:20,28; Gal. 2:16 – Paul’s phrase for “works of the law” in the Greek is “ergon nomou” which means the Mosaic law or Torah and refers to the teachings (legal, moral) and works (ceremonial) that gave the Jews the knowledge of sin, but not an escape from sin. We have further proof of this from the Dead Sea Scrolls which provide the Hebrew equivalent (“hrvt ysm”) meaning “deeds of the law,” or Mosaic law. James in James 2 does not use “ergon nomou.” He uses “ergois agathois.” Therefore, Paul’s “works of the law” and James’ “works” are entirely different types of works. Again, they could never contradict each other because the Scriptures are the inspired word of God.
 
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He doesn't take away their free will, turning them into robots, or into macabre flesh puppets, mere marionettes whom He forces to dance across the stage as He pulls on their strings.
Yes I agree we are not robots. God sets before men life and death so chose life. Wosoever will. To them that receive him

in Christ we are a new creation. That new man can do all things through and in Christ. The old man can do nothing. Only when we are in Christ can we bear fruit of the Spirit. A good tree produces good fruit it cannot produce corrupt fruit and a corrupt tree poduces corrupt fruit it cannot produce good fruit.

The carnal flesh man cannot produce spiritual fruit, and the spiritual man cannot produce corrupt fruit as long as he abides in Christ. If he abides not he can be cut off as a branch and withered and cast into the fire.
 
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Knowing what to do is picking up our cross daily to follow Christ. Telling people what Scripture teaches and facing vilification for teaching hard doctrines. And God raising you up by sharing Scripture to support your views and silencing your critics. That's what Christ did. In addition to performing miracles. Which he could do because he had answered God's voice to come out of Egypt, to give up the flesh and live on every word that proceeded from the Father. To convince men that God was present with him. So that they would come out of the flesh. Fulfilling the prophecy that the world would be blessed through Abraham's seed.

Giving a cup of water to even the least of these is to make friends with unrighteous riches with those who have given up the flesh to follow Christ.

So how are you fulfilling prophecy?
Well, certainly not by ignoring or reinterpreting Scripture with my own non-literal esoteric interpretations. Matt 25:31-46 means exactly what it says. And Jesus didn't preach one message to Jews and a different one to Gentiles-He came to reveal the true face and will of God to all the world, so that we may turn back to Him and be saved.

The heart of Christianity is love. This is the nature of God, this is His image that we're to be transformed into; love describes and defines man's justice, which is why the greatest commandments are what they are. Love fosters compassion for others, and so it acts, by its nature, with such deeds as those outlined in Matt 25:31-46, and by telling people about the good news, about God; the gospel offers hope and light to a lost and dark and dying world. God exists, God is infinitely trustworthy and true, God forgives, God is love so wide and deep and vast that it cannot be contained or grasped. And that love can be known and bathed in eternally-that's His will for us. This is what Jesus came to reveal-and prove.

Love doesn't ask who you are or what you believe first; it simply cares, and forgives, and serves, and accepts, and acts to relieve suffering. And that kind of love changes hearts, and so changes the world. Without it we're just another clanging gong, perhaps proud of our faith, proud of our knowledge, proud of being armed, at least in our own minds, with the sword of God's Word, doing more harm than good to the name of Christ, truth be known.
 
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Well I must say. It is not often one sees a protestor who agrees.

Rom. 3:20,28; Gal. 2:16,21; 3:2,5,10; Eph. 2:8-9 - Paul means by “works of the law” in his teaching on justification. Paul’s teaching that we are not justified by “works of the law” refer to the law of Moses or to any legal system that makes God our debtor. They do not refer to good works done in grace with faith in Christ. This makes sense when we remember that Paul’s mission was to teach that salvation was also for the Gentiles who were not subject to the “works of the law.” Here is the proof:

James 2:24 – compare the verse “a man is justified by works and not by faith alone” to Gal. 2:16 – “a man is not justified by works of the law,” and Rom. 3:20,28 – “no human being will be justified in His sight by works of the law.” James 2:24 appears to be inconsistent with Gal. 2:16 and Rom. 3:20,28 until one realizes that the Word of God cannot contradict itself. This means that the “works” in James 2:24 are different from the “works of the law in Gal. 2:16 and Rom. 3:20,28. James is referring to “good works” (e.g.,clothing the naked; giving food to the poor) and Paul is referring to the “Mosaic law” (which included both the legal, moral and ceremonial law) or any works which oblige God to give us payment. Here is more proof:

Rom. 3:20,28; Gal. 2:16 – Paul’s phrase for “works of the law” in the Greek is “ergon nomou” which means the Mosaic law or Torah and refers to the teachings (legal, moral) and works (ceremonial) that gave the Jews the knowledge of sin, but not an escape from sin. We have further proof of this from the Dead Sea Scrolls which provide the Hebrew equivalent (“hrvt ysm”) meaning “deeds of the law,” or Mosaic law. James in James 2 does not use “ergon nomou.” He uses “ergois agathois.” Therefore, Paul’s “works of the law” and James’ “works” are entirely different types of works. Again, they could never contradict each other because the Scriptures are the inspired word of God.

Ergon nomou are “works of the law”, cultic markers distinguishing Jews from Gentiles:

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3) Third, The "New Perspective" on Paul's Theology of Righteousness and Justification:

New Perspective Challenges to the Protestant Theology of Righteousness

Justification

We're now ready to move on as I continue to pursue the background of Luther's views and critique his views in light of the New Perspective, while continuing to review where we've been.

Martin Luther, like most biblical interpreters, turned to Scripture for guidance in every day life. He discovered what he believed to be something of a parallel between the situation Paul addressed in books like Romans and Galatians and what Luther himself confronted in the Catholic Church. The parallel that Luther saw was that of legalism in both the Judaism of Paul’s day and the Catholicism of Luther’s own time.

Both the Judaizers of Paul’s day and the Catholic hierarchy of Luther’s were allegedly teaching salvation by works. Paul’s proclamation of “justification by faith” was understood by Luther as a corrective against Jewish legalism, especially as it had infiltrated the church.

Perhaps Luther’s first mistake was equating “justification” with “salvation” as if they were synonymous terms. His second mistake was to assert that Paul was opposing legalism, or “salvation by works.” As N.T. Wright has explained, Luther and later Protestantism had wrongly assumed that Jews of Paul’s day thought they made themselves right with God by pulling themselves up by their moral bootstraps. [1]

E.P. Sanders was the first to publish a comprehensive study to demonstrate that Second Temple Judaism had long been misinterpreted as a legalistic religion. His book, Paul and Palestinian Judaism, defends Judaism against the charge of legalism by quoting extensively from primary Jewish sources. What Sanders did not develop, however, was a theology of “justification” that went beyond the Lutheran understanding. [2]

Here is where N. T. Wright has picked up the ball and ran with it. He argues that Paul’s phrase “justification by faith” was not a corrective against Jewish legalism. The Hebrew Scriptures had already taught that salvation is by faith and not by works.

'Justification' does not refer to a point in time at which one is saved, but it is the declaration that one indeed demonstrates being in a right standing with the court. As opposed to being a polemic against legalism, “justification by faith” is how one demonstrates that they are in the right. This demonstration is not by works, meaning not by works of the law which set people apart based on “ethnic identity markers” prescribed by Moses. On the contrary, Paul argues that the justification of one’s belonging to God and his people is by faith in Christ and not by works of the law of Moses.
 
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I'm sorry. I don't understand all such complicated mumbo jumbo. I only know that God wants all to come to Him, and to be one with Him. He is everywhere and fills all things. God is Love. That is why he gave us His commandments, because walking in His commandments leads to Love and to Him.
The fact that you can't substitute God or His energy in the verse proves that grace is neither. So your claim is wrong.
 
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Well, certainly not by ignoring or reinterpreting Scripture with my own non-literal esoteric interpretations. Matt 25:31-46 means exactly what it says. And Jesus didn't preach one message to Jews and a different one to Gentiles-He came to reveal the true face and will of God to all the world, so that we may turn back to Him and be saved.

The heart of Christianity is love. This is the nature of God, this is His image that we're to be transformed into; love describes and defines man's justice, which is why the greatest commandments are what they are. Love fosters compassion for others, and so it acts, by its nature, with such deeds as those outlined in Matt 25:31-46, and by telling people about the good news, about God; the gospel offers hope and light to a lost and dark and dying world. God exists, God is infinitely trustworthy and true, God forgives, God is love so wide and deep and vast that it cannot be contained or grasped. And that love can be known and bathed in eternally-that's His will for us. This is what Jesus came to reveal-and prove.

Love doesn't ask who you are or what you believe first; it simply cares, and forgives, and serves, and acts to relieve suffering. And that kind of love changes hearts, and so changes the world. Without it we're just another clanging gong, perhaps proud of our faith, proud of our knowledge, proud of being armed, at least in our own minds, with the sword of God's Word, doing more harm than good to the name of Christ, truth be known.
So delivering people out of Egypt changed from the Old Testament to the New?

You think people will follow you into rest without displaying signs and wonders, for Jews and wisdom, for Greeks.?
 
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Well I must say. It is not often one sees a protestor who agrees.

Rom. 3:20,28; Gal. 2:16,21; 3:2,5,10; Eph. 2:8-9 - Paul means by “works of the law” in his teaching on justification. Paul’s teaching that we are not justified by “works of the law” refer to the law of Moses or to any legal system that makes God our debtor. They do not refer to good works done in grace with faith in Christ. This makes sense when we remember that Paul’s mission was to teach that salvation was also for the Gentiles who were not subject to the “works of the law.” Here is the proof:

James 2:24 – compare the verse “a man is justified by works and not by faith alone” to Gal. 2:16 – “a man is not justified by works of the law,” and Rom. 3:20,28 – “no human being will be justified in His sight by works of the law.” James 2:24 appears to be inconsistent with Gal. 2:16 and Rom. 3:20,28 until one realizes that the Word of God cannot contradict itself. This means that the “works” in James 2:24 are different from the “works of the law in Gal. 2:16 and Rom. 3:20,28. James is referring to “good works” (e.g.,clothing the naked; giving food to the poor) and Paul is referring to the “Mosaic law” (which included both the legal, moral and ceremonial law) or any works which oblige God to give us payment. Here is more proof:

Rom. 3:20,28; Gal. 2:16 – Paul’s phrase for “works of the law” in the Greek is “ergon nomou” which means the Mosaic law or Torah and refers to the teachings (legal, moral) and works (ceremonial) that gave the Jews the knowledge of sin, but not an escape from sin. We have further proof of this from the Dead Sea Scrolls which provide the Hebrew equivalent (“hrvt ysm”) meaning “deeds of the law,” or Mosaic law. James in James 2 does not use “ergon nomou.” He uses “ergois agathois.” Therefore, Paul’s “works of the law” and James’ “works” are entirely different types of works. Again, they could never contradict each other because the Scriptures are the inspired word of God.
The point is that Mosaic law is never discussed in Ephesians 2:28, 29. Paul is simply telling the Gentiles that they have been shown mercy, included in the group known as God's people arbitrarily, without any rationale, criteria. They didn't get included because they had performed better than Israel, so they had no cause to boast.

Don't talk about Mosaic laws in this situation and complicate the discussion.
 
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The fact that you can't substitute God or His energy in the verse proves that grace is neither. So your claim is wrong.
Fact is, I can substitute "God's energy" into that exact verse, because this is what the word "grace" means in this exact context. What Orthodox Christians understand grace to be is different than what protestants define it as. Like I said before. I don't understand all the legalistic/formulaic philosophy of the reformation. It's too confusing and I'm just a simple believer.
 
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