If women shouldn't speak at all in church....

[SkyWriting]

Read my first post about what kind of speaking is not allowed in a church assembled in a house.

In all things:
Make the same rules unto others as you would wish others to make rules unto you.
Exactly the same.

 

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again this growing aspect is by exercising our spiritual senses, all understanding is in spirit, from God, the anointing teaches us all things. The word is spiritual.

Hebrews 5:14
"But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

1 John 2:27
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

1 Peter 2:2
"As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:"

John 6:63
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

1 Thessalonians 2:13
"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe."

I'm not sure where you are going with this. Are you suggesting that any translation, no matter how sloppily, or carefully compiled, will do?

 

[LoveofTruth]

I'm not sure where you are going with this. Are you suggesting that any translation, no matter how sloppily, or carefully compiled, will do?

no all should use the Bible, the KJV

I am speaking about how we grow spiritually.

I value holy scripture as given by God very important and the scriptures cannot be broken. But consider Abraham, he knew God and had faith without scripture. The point is, that God is in the hearts of all believers and the Spirit guides us to all truth


SkyWriting, in here, attacked Paul's words as not being from God and His commands. This is clearly an error on their part and dangerous spiritually. Paul said if someone claimed to be spiritual they should acknowledge that what he wrote were the commandments of the Lord. part of those commands were for the women and the order in the church.

You should come along side with me and correct this person SkyWriting with scripture. To go away from what Paul wrote in scripture by the Spirit is not safe and peter warns about some wresting pals words to their own destruction.

 

[SkyWriting]

I also said women can speak in a church in prophecy prayer in the spirit testimony songs in the spirit and other spirit led gifts. But they cannot speak in judgement or teaching or dominating over their husbands or other men. Women can teach younger women and children in all good things however .

You seem to speak from an emotional state not a spiritual or scriptural place

My "Place" is the fundamentals of the law and the prophets.
I did not learn this from TV or even from male preachers.
I learnt this all on my own...by reading. I kit you not.

So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
- In everything, then,
- do to others as you would have them do to you.
- For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.
- Enter through the narrow gate.

- "In everything" covers what exactly?
- How should we treat and think about people who are not us?
- Says who? All the law and the prophets say this good news.
- What is the narrow gate? do to others as you would have them do to you.

Col 23
23 Whatever you do, work at it with your whole being,for the Lord and not for men,

Narrow gate again.

 

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no all should use the Bible, the KJV

I am speaking about how we grow spiritually.

I value holy scripture as given by God very important and the scriptures cannot be broken. But consider Abraham, he knew God and had faith without scripture. The point is, that God is in the hearts of all believers and the Spirit guides us to all truth


SkyWriting, in here, attacked Paul's words as not being from God and His commands. This is clearly an error on their part and dangerous spiritually. Paul said if someone claimed to be spiritual they should acknowledge that what he wrote were the commandments of the Lord. part of those commands were for the women and the order in the church.

You should come along side with me and correct this person SkyWriting with scripture. To go away from what Paul wrote in scripture by the Spirit is not safe and peter warns about some wresting pals words to their own destruction.

Sounds like I agree/disagree with everyone here:
1. I think one can spiritually grow in God, having never read a bible, nor having access to one.
2. I do not believe the bible is "the" word of God but, rather, believe it "contains" the word of God, and can be spiritually discerned.
3. I consider the KJV to be the must inaccurate of all the "commonly known" translations. I use it sometimes when I want to compare interpretations of a given text.

BTW, a lot of people don't know this, but the word "scripture" simply means, "something in writing". It was a big deal before the invention of the printing press and most people couldn't read anyway.

 

[LoveofTruth]

My "Place" is the fundamentals of the law and the prophets.
I did not learn this from TV or even from male preachers.
I learnt this all on my own...by reading. I kit you not.

The man is a type of Christ and the woman a type of the church.

"31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."(Epeshians 5:31,32)

You greatly error here and I believe you learned what you know on your own. But all believers learn from the anointing of God in them (1 John 2:27 KJV)

And yes all believers are to love one another in Christ. In Christ we are neither male nor female. But in the world there is an order for now. Believers reflect the type of Christ and his Church and set the order for others to see. We are to be an example to those who look on.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Sounds like I agree/disagree with everyone here:

consider

James 1:8
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."





and KJV is the bible.

but thats a 45 hour talk...maybe later

 

[SkyWriting]

The serpent deceived the woman, not the man. The man is the head of the woman, Christ the head of the man.

Very very old news and Old testament.

Welcome to the Good News!

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

What did He say again?
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female,
What?
There is neither ... male nor female,

For Whom?

For all of you who were baptized into Christ

arrén: male, man.
Original Word: ἄρσην, ενος, εν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: arrén

nor


thélus: female
Original Word: θῆλυς, εια, υ
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: thélus
Phonetic Spelling: (thay'-loos)
Short Definition: female

New International Version
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

New Living Translation
There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.

English Standard Version
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Berean Study Bible
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Berean Literal Bible
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

New American Standard Bible
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

King James Bible
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[LoveofTruth]

In all things:
Make the same rules unto others as you would wish others to make rules unto you.
Exactly the same.

you don't understand what you are talking about, that verse you refer to does not mean that a woman should treat a man as a woman etc. Or a man should treat a woman as a man. Women bear children, men don't. Women are different than men in the natural sense.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Very very old news and Old testament.

Welcome to the Good News!

and yet it is repeated again by Paul in his writings

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

What did He say again?
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female,
What?
There is neither ... male nor female,

For Whom?

so are you a man or a woman

Paul distinguishes sexes in the church order and says things like

"3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."( 1 Cor 11:3 KJV)

and

"4 Every man praying or prophesying,"9 1 Cor 11:4 KJV)

"5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth..."( 1 Cor 11:5 KJV)

"9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." 1 Cor 11:9 KJV)

distinctions again

oh yes I forgot you don't believe Paul's words, you seem to have a problem with Paul. But thats not a good place to be for you.

 

[SkyWriting]

The man is a type of Christ and the woman a type of the church.

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

What did He say again?
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female,

 

[SkyWriting]

you don't understand what you are talking about, that verse you refer to does not mean that a woman should treat a man as a woman etc. Or a man should treat a woman as a man. Women bear children, men don't. Women are different than men in the natural sense.

Whoops.

In...all...things

Re-read

 

[SkyWriting]

Paul said if someone claimed to be spiritual they should acknowledge that what he wrote were the commandments of the Lord. part of those commands were for the women and the order in the church.

Paul has personality issues evident before and after conversion.

 

[LoveofTruth]

In all things:
Make the same rules unto others as you would wish others to make rules unto you.
Exactly the same.

1 Corinthians 11:2 KJV
"Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you."

1 Corinthians 14:4,35,40 KJV
"4 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order."

2 Corinthians 2:9 KJV
For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

 

[SkyWriting]

so are you a man or a woman

Paul distinguishes sexes in the church order and says things like

Paul's personality claims he is head of all sinners.
Did Jesus say Paul was the chief of all sinners?
Not that I can find anywhere.
His Head is so big, he must even be head of all of the worst.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Paul has personality issues evident before and after conversion.

Beware!

Peter spoke of you

2 Peter 3:15, 16 KJV
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

 

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consider

James 1:8
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."





and KJV is the bible.

but thats a 45 hour talk...maybe later

My agreeing with a person on some things but disagreeing with him on others does not make me double minded any more than it makes him double minded.

And the bible is actually not in English at all. The English translations - all of them - are interpretations from one language to another. And the KJV has no small number of added texts that are not in the original manuscripts.

I don't want to spam you with papers, so I'll limit myself to one link*:
https://bible.org/article/why-i-do-not-think-king-james-bible-best-translation-available-today

* one link - this is my way of saying that if you so choose to argue the individual points in the single link, I'll have no choice but to "spam you" with many, many other scholarly reviews of the subject to drive the point home.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Paul's personality claims he is head of all sinners.
Did Jesus say Paul was the chief of all sinners?
Not that I can find anywhere.
His Head is so big, he must even be head of all of the worst.

Beware!

Peter spoke of you

2 Peter 3:15, 16 KJV
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

 

[SkyWriting]

1 Corinthians 11:2 KJV
"Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you."

1 Corinthians 14:4,35,40 KJV
"4 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order."

2 Corinthians 2:9 KJV
For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

I admit. Some of those sayings do not pass the Royal test
of treating all others just as you would wish them to treat you.

Some violate the rules.

 

[LoveofTruth]

My agreeing with a person on some things but disagreeing with him on others does not make me double minded any more than it makes him double minded.

And the bible is actually not in English at all. The English translations - all of them - are interpretations from one language to another. And the KJV has no small number of added texts that are not in the original manuscripts.

I don't want to spam you with papers, so I'll limit myself to one link*:
https://bible.org/article/why-i-do-not-think-king-james-bible-best-translation-available-today

* one link - this is my way of saying that if you so choose to argue the individual points in the single link, I'll have no choice but to "spam you" with many, many other scholarly reviews of the subject to drive the point home.

like i said its a 45 hour talking you will be proven wrong about the KJV

anyway back to the discussion of women usurping authority over the man