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Just curious are you a woman or a man.

I think you might be a man

It is clearly an obsession with you.
Sorry , I am married and not interested.
This explains why you are so hyper about gender
distinctions, as was Paul.
 
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Paul wrote scripture and we read that

2 Timothy 3:16 17 KJV
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

Can you show he intended what he wrote in that letter
was written with the intent to add it to scripture?
If so, can you show his source material?
 
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"33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.(1 Cor 14:33-38 KJV)

Yes, that is a letter written at a specific time to a specific person.
No one is required to repeat history. Thank you for the example.

These 6o plus passages insist on eliminating all gender bias:
What's the Bible Say About Treating all Genders The Same?
 
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It is clearly an obsession with you.
Sorry , I am married and not interested.
This explains why you are so hyper about gender
distinctions, as was Paul.
No not at all

If you were a woman your attitude would be noted and if a man you may have been influenced as well by the modern world and women’s lib etc

And what are you talking about

I am not asking if your a man or women for any reason related to me
 
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Yes, that is a letter written at a specific time to a specific person.
No one is required to repeat history. Thank you for the example.

These 6o plus passages insist on eliminating all gender bias:
What's the Bible Say About Treating all Genders The Same?
No you missed the point it is for all christians everywhere as Paul said for all the churches of the saints.

God”s order is not one way for some churches then totally different for others
 
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Can you show he intended what he wrote in that letter
was written with the intent to add it to scripture?
If so, can you show his source material?

What letter? the letter to Timothy or Corinthians or all that Paul wrote ?
 
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No not at all
If you were a woman your attitude would be noted and if a man you may have been influenced as well by the modern world and women’s lib etc
And what are you talking about
I am not asking if your a man or women for any reason related to me

I am married and not interested in a more intimate relationship with you.
 
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Can you show he intended what he wrote in that letter
was written with the intent to add it to scripture?
If so, can you show his source material?
Yes I can

2 Peter 3 - 16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
 
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No you missed the point it is for all christians everywhere as Paul said for all the churches of the saints. God”s order is not one way for some churches then totally different for others

I've found no such passages to back up that claim.
I've found just the opposite. Have you looked?
 
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I am married and not interested in a more intimate relationship with you.
What? I was never interested in such a thing

Now you are speaking from darkness and corruption

You fight against scripture attack Paul and try to speak a lie about me

Repent
 
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I've found no such passages to back up that claim.
I've found just the opposite. Have you looked?
Unless Paul specifically said he wrote certain words not as a command everything else was a command
 
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I am married and not interested in a more intimate relationship with you.
There is no intimate relationship with you nor was any ever sought, what lies are you speaking ?

Repent
 
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2 Peter 3 - 16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”

Huh?

King James Bible
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

This is a letter promoting the content of other specific letters.
 
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They were from God through Paul to the churches and brethren.

and then you should read 1 Cor 14:37,38

Vs 38 apply to you sadly

And 2 Peters warning to you as I have already posted

Here is another verse you might want to consider

Proverbs 16 - 18. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”
 
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Huh?

King James Bible
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

This is a letter promoting the content of other specific letters.
Peter verifies Paul’s writings as scripture and warns of those who wrest or distort them to their own destruction
 
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If women shouldn't speak at all in church, not even to sing as the logical conclusion would be since singing is a fancy way of talking, nor should they even so much as ask for clarification on a topic of discussion, why should women even be so much as bodily present in the church, period?

Since they cannot interact during services (if Paul's words are to be taken at face value and literally without trying to make them say something different so as not to offend modern feminist opinions), they are really a distant presence there anyway, like furniture.

The church then is really only a place for men to interact in, not women. If women cannot even understand what is being taught, why are they even there to begin with? If the husband can teach doctrine at home, what is the point of women wasting pew space? They aren't really wanted there even by the logical implication of Paul's (and God's) own words.

Other than taking communion, I see no compelling reason why I as a woman should be required to attend church at all then (in fact I am being more obedient in not polluting it by interacting with it at all under the logical implication of this doctrine, as women will drag down the assembly due to being more prone to deception and usurping the authority of men, even by merely speaking any idea at all, which could easily come from Satan like with Eve. By not being there, I cannot possibly destroy the church ever with my naturally evil female tendencies if I simply stay at home and learn doctrine from a man outside the assembly entirely).

Some website online (I don't have the source now, sorry) argued that the word for ecclessica or assembly is male-only, and the church is indeed really only for men, and women aren't meant to have any influence there at all. Not to speak and not to vote, and of course, not to teach or hold any kind of position of authority.

Women speaking is shameful, and therefore, women being an active presence there is shameful too. If they *must* come, they should act like they don't exist while sitting there, taking God's Word logically, honestly, and literally. So, why should women be there at all? After all, they are more prone to deception and false teaching, and could be tempted to usurp the rightful authority of men even just by sitting there with their mere presence....I really ask this question for those who DON'T believe women should speak in church, ever, like Steve Anderson. However, other opinions are welcome...
In most assemblies even the men cannot interact either all the body is wrongly forced to look at the back of the person in front of themselves head and to be drawn away to the man at the front in an exalted place called the altar and behind a thing called “the pulpit”

Every part of the body should be allowed to function but there are certain parameters for men and women as scripture teaches

But how many assemblies today even open up and allow the body to edify itself in love as God commands (1 Cor 14:26-38, 1 Peter 4:10,11, Ephesians 4:11-16, 1 Cor.12:7-, Colossians 3:15,16, Romans 12:1-8, 1thess 5:11 etc )
 
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They were from God through Paul to the churches and brethren.

and then you should read 1 Cor 14:37,38

Vs 38 apply to you sadly

And 2 Peters warning to you as I have already posted

Here is another verse you might want to consider

Proverbs 16 - 18. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

The scriptures are to be read for your own learning
and never applied to other people.
 
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The scriptures are to be read for your own learning
and never applied to others.
false again, all scripture is profitable for doctrine ( to others and for yourself0 and for correction ( to others and yourself ) reproof (to others and yourself) instruction in righteousness ( to others and yourself), and we read

1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
 
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