Appealing To His Base?

[HereIStand]

So they make racist comments, but they aren't "really" racists. Well obviously no evidence I can produce is going to convince you of anything.

Yeah, guess I'm too blind to be convinced by the Washington Post and grandstanding Democrats.

 

[mark46]

The irony of the Left is that, they are the ones who have been saying how horrible these countries are that illegal aliens would be forced to return to! Trump is just agreeing with them!

Please quote all Democrats that have called African countries s*******s.

Yes, Democrats want the Central American temporary immigrants to be made permanent. That is another matter. This should NOT have been included in this deal. Trump said that he didn't want adding Haitians included in the DACA deal. It is the African countries that he called s*******s. Also, in the past, he has said that Nigerians shouldn't be admitted because they would never want to return to their huts.

 

[mark46]

In the last couple of weeks, Clinton refused to campaign in WI and MI. Instead she took trip to Arizona. Campaigning in these states would have helped in these states, as well as in PA. The issue in PA was NOT that she didn't campaign. She simply campaigned in the wrong areas. She might have finished the campaign with middle class working folk in Pittsburgh or Allentown, with country music. Instead, she chose a victory rally led by Beyonce in Philadelphia. The saddest part was that the African American turnout in Philly was relatively low.

I just checked the Electoral Vote totals. If she had won MI and WI, she still would have lost the Election by a 280-258 margin. If somehow she could have won PA and MI, she would have come very close, but Trump still would have won 270-268. Now if she could have won PA and MI and snared the one vote in the Northern Maine Congr District, then we would have had a 269-269 tie. However, the fact remains that in order to win outright, she needed all three normally Dem states that she lost: MI, PA and WI. Logically, she should have won MI. She only lost by about 10,000 votes and she really only devoted much time and money there near the end. As to WI, word has it that she never campaigned there even once. I do not know how much she spent on tv ads there, but the margin was less that 23,000 votes, so she probably could have won WI with time and resources. So, that leaves PA. The problem here is that she lost PA by 44,000, the largest margin of the three states and she spent the most time and money there by far. I doubt very much that Clinton could have done anymore that she did already to carry PA. The problem is that outside of Allegheny County, she got beat badly in traditionally Dem SW PA, no doubt due to her anti-coal message. She also lost traditionally Dem Wilkes Barre and barely carried traditionally Dem Scranton, both in NE PA coal country. It would appear that more than any other single factor, her anti-coal message cost her the Presidency. Yes, maybe, maybe..... if Comey had not come out near the end with his statement about more emails, maybe she could have barely carried PA, MI and WI. MI seems the most likely to have flipped, but WI and PA not so certain.

 

[Gigimo]

People forget that the president is running a nation, not a Salvation Army soup kitchen.

From some of the answers I have seen they do think he should be running a soup kitchen and expanding Welfare, Food Stamps and Medicaid at breakneck speed.

 

[mark46]

From some of the answers I have seen they do think he should be running a soup kitchen and expanding Welfare, Food Stamps and Medicaid at breakneck speed...

Of course not. The Republican proposal was to cut $1TRILLION of Medicaid. In addition, they want to cut SS levels.

The people will decide in November.

 

[Gigimo]

The difference is leftists were turned off from Hillary when her unsavory comments came to light while Trump only becomes more and more popular with his base when he insults people they don't like.

She got 3 million more votes than Trump didn't she?

 

[Gigimo]

Of course not. The Republican proposal was to cut $1TRILLION of Medicaid. In addition, they want to cut SS levels.

The people will decide in November.

You're talking about a different side of the political fence than I am.

 

[Gigimo]

Sure, and Obama used almost the identical term to describe another African nation.

Libya if I'm not mistaken.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

She got 3 million more votes than Trump didn't she?

Indeed, she did. Imagine what it would have been if Democratic voters actually liked her.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Libya if I'm not mistaken.

What was the term Obama used?

 

[Gigimo]

Indeed, she did. Imagine what it would have been if Democratic voters actually liked her.

Probably about the same, liking a candidate means nothing to some people.

 

[Colter]

Please quote all Democrats that have called African countries [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]holes.

Yes, Democrats want the Central American temporary immigrants to be made permanent. That is another matter. This should NOT have been included in this deal. Trump said that he didn't want adding Haitians included in the DACA deal. It is the African countries that he called [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]holes. Also, in the past, he has said that Nigerians shouldn't be admitted because they would never want to return to their huts.

I don't know what (D)'s say in private. But I remember when Joe Biden contrasted Obama with an implied, typical black person: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook."

 

[Colter]

 

[USincognito]

Sure, and Obama used almost the identical term to describe another African nation.

I don't recall a single poster here uttering a peep about it being undiplomatic, unpresidential, disgusting, or any of the rest of the characterizations that we're read on this thread with regard to Trump.

Citation?

 

[Colter]

Citation?

Appealing to her base......

 

[mark46]

Setting the bar rather low.

I don't think that this bar is low when we are considering potential immigrants.

 

[camille70]

Dick Durban is claiming that the term “chain migration” is offensive because it reminds people of slaves in chains. Funny, it never occurred to anyone except Durban.

Curious, did anyone else here think “chain migration” was a dog whistle to blacks??

No. That never occurred to me and even after he said that I'm still not offended. Someone may have mentioned to him they were offended by the term, but I've never even seen a discussion about it in all these weeks it's been discussed. I think it's a major over reach.

 

[camille70]

True, the Trump campaign would have thrown millions of dollars into legal challenges, as would Clinton had the margins been closer.

There were reports at the time of Trump's lawyers being in recount places intimidating people. If I recall correctly it was MI, but don't quote me.

 

[camille70]

So they make racist comments, but they aren't "really" racists. Well obviously no evidence I can produce is going to convince you of anything.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. I don't know why his base throws all biblical wisdom out the window when it comes to Trump.

 

[camille70]

This is a very good point but misses a bigger point: as leader of the free world and leader of one of the countries that has benefitted immensely from global immigration regardless of source, the President should NEVER EVER EVER say ANYTHING even remotely like that!

I was troubled when I heard it, not because I think Haiti is a great place, it's not. Places like that are severely broken. Many sub-Saharan African nations are also horribly broken and certainly in those cases it is the wealthy West that helped do that when these countries were (often brutally) colonized by European powers in the 19th century and before.

The President of the US can have an opinion on the "quality" of various countries but he HAS to remember that there are ways to say things that make it more obvious we are a caring nation.

I would never vacation in Haiti or Nigeria or Niger etc. But that doesn't mean the people are somehow "bad", it means that we as the wealthiest nation on earth should work to make these places BETTER, not denigrate them with foul language.

Trump stood in judgement and execution of these countries. In doing so he revealed a stunning lack of compassion and an even more stunning lack of knowledge of world history.

Trump showed a darkness in his soul that few would find virtuous to reveal, even if they had it in there to some extent. It certainly does nothing GOOD in the world.

This reminds me of a thread I saw on twitter earlier. Click the first tweet and follow down.


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