Does Israel get taken over again?

[jgr]

Actually, I am working on hard proof, much of what I have already found, that the reformers were NOT unaminoius in the historicist views held by some of them.

No recognized Reformer futurized antichrist. Declaration of the papacy as an antichrist was fundamental Reformation doctrine.

 

[jgr]

God say he will - the future not the past
What ya think Never again means it means Never again

15 I will plant them upon their land,
and they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.

God has replaced that covenant with a new and better one.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[seventysevens]

God has replaced that covenant with a new and better one.

What God has said is never ending in this regard , God has said Never which is what he means , it is error to think otherwise, This is not the covenant case , it is a promise never ever to be revoked Notice it is not speaking of covenant of as covenant as which you refer , it is Not the Old Testament Law- it is a promise God has made - it is not law but simply a promise -there are no terms that Israel must live up to - it is a promise not a law that can never be revoked


they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.

 

[jgr]

What God has said is never ending in this regard , God has said Never which is what he means , it is error to think otherwise, This is not the covenant case , it is a promise never ever to be revoked Notice it is not speaking of covenant of as covenant as which you refer , it is Not the Old Testament Law- it is a promise God has made - it is not law but simply a promise -there are no terms that Israel must live up to - it is a promise not a law that can never be revoked


they will never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them,
says the Lord your God.

So you don't believe God when He said that that old covenant is vanished?

A New Testament completely replaces an old testament. It cannot be a Testament unless it does.

 

[seventysevens]

So you don't believe God when He said that that old covenant is vanished?

A New Testament completely replaces an old testament. It cannot be a Testament unless it does.

It applies to some of the law in , Deut , Levit and such .
To apply it the way you want to well ,
We would have been given a new better story of Creation removing the old story of creation ,
Removing all the writings of all the prophets that did not give law ,
We would have been given a new story of the Exodus and what happened when Moses confronted the Pharaoh,
We would have a new story of all the Kings of the past wiping out the Kings as we have been told of, the books of Ruth, Judges and Joshua would be replaced with new stories -- see how crazy gets ?
In your view -might as well never read the books of the bible written before Matthew to make your view work

Matt 5
17 “Don’t even begin to think that I have come to do away with the Law and the Prophets. I haven’t come to do away with them but to fulfill them.
18 I say to you very seriously that as long as heaven and earth exist, neither the smallest letter nor even the smallest stroke of a pen will be erased from the Law until everything there becomes a reality.
19 Therefore, whoever ignores one of the least of these commands and teaches others to do the same will be called the lowest in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps these commands and teaches people to keep them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 I say to you that unless your righteousness is greater than the righteousness of the legal experts and the Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

(KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

The idea that all the books of the OT that were written over thousands of years are no longer valid is a sham and gonna cause you troubles when you finally meet the Lord face to face

 

[BABerean2]

The idea that all the books of the OT that were written over thousands of years are no longer valid is a sham and gonna cause you troubles when you finally meet the Lord face to face

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

.

 

[seventysevens]

If you are ready to eat ....does that mean you have finished eating?
If you are ready to go to school does that mean to have finished school ?
If you are ready to to go to work does that mean you have finished the job ?

NO of course it doesn't - being ready to vanish away doesn't mean it has

To apply it the way you want to well ,
We would have been given a new better story of Creation removing the old story of creation ,
Removing all the writings of all the prophets that did not give law ,
We would have been given a new story of the Exodus and what happened when Moses confronted the Pharaoh,
We would have a new story of all the Kings of the past wiping out the Kings as we have been told of, the books of Ruth, Judges and Joshua would be replaced with new stories -- see how crazy gets ?
In your view -might as well never read the books of the bible written before Matthew to make your view work

Matt 5
17 “Don’t even begin to think that I have come to do away with the Law and the Prophets. I haven’t come to do away with them but to fulfill them.
18 I say to you very seriously that as long as heaven and earth exist, neither the smallest letter nor even the smallest stroke of a pen will be erased from the Law until everything there becomes a reality.
19 Therefore, whoever ignores one of the least of these commands and teaches others to do the same will be called the lowest in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps these commands and teaches people to keep them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 I say to you that unless your righteousness is greater than the righteousness of the legal experts and the Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

(KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.





Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. .

 

[jgr]

If you are ready to eat ....does that mean you have finished eating?
If you are ready to go to school does that mean to have finished school ?
If you are ready to to go to work does that mean you have finished the job ?

NO of course it doesn't - being ready to vanish away doesn't mean it has

It's old and decayed and ready to vanish. There can't be any healthy flesh left, only a thread of decayed flesh. What does that thread represent? One last sacrificial animal carcase? One last rebellious Israelite that God had to slay in the desert? Some maggot-ridden manna? Something so much better than the completely robust New Covenant that you just can't bear to relinquish it? What could that be?

 

[Biblewriter]

Where does Revelation come into play? Jerome's commentary was on Daniel 7.

You tried not to go off half cocked, but failed.

The point was not about the details of what Jerome thought, but about his statement ahat the view he expressed was "the traditional interpretation of all the commentators of the Christian Church."

And I most certainly did not go off half cocked, for you were the one that changed the subject to a demonstrably incorrect claim that the horns of Daniel 7 and Revelation 17 had been literally fulfilled in ten ethnic groups.

 

[seventysevens]

It's old and decayed and ready to vanish. There can't be any healthy flesh left, only a thread of decayed flesh. What does that thread represent? One last sacrificial animal carcase? One last rebellious Israelite that God had to slay in the desert? Some maggot-ridden manna? Something so much better than the completely robust New Covenant that you just can't bear to relinquish it? What could that be?

How you pick and choose what you want to see and what you want to hear
Is exactly why Jesus said:
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I will stick with Jesus

 

[jgr]

The point was not about the details of what Jerome thought, but about his statement ahat the view he expressed was "the traditional interpretation of all the commentators of the Christian Church."

It was, and I explained how that interpretation began to see fulfillment in the emergence of the papacy in the commentators' future, but in a future which was much closer than they could have anticipated.

And I most certainly did not go off half cocked, for you were the one that changed the subject to a demonstrably incorrect claim that the horns of Daniel 7 and Revelation 17 had been literally fulfilled in ten ethnic groups.

You're the one who brought up Revelation. I didn't. Jerome didn't.

Your "ten ethnic groups" were individual kingdoms of provincial territories led by individual kings, and were the predecessors of today's European countries. They were a demonstrable literal fulfillment of the ten horns of Daniel 7.

 

[jgr]

How you pick and choose what you want to see and what you want to hear
Is exactly why Jesus said:
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I will stick with Jesus

What commandments have I broken?

I'm sticking with Him too. It's His New Testament.

 

[Biblewriter]

It was, and I explained how that interpretation began to see fulfillment in the emergence of the papacy in the commentators' future, but in a future which was much closer than they could have anticipated.



You're the one who brought up Revelation. I didn't. Jerome didn't.

Your "ten ethnic groups" were individual kingdoms of provincial territories led by individual kings, and were the predecessors of today's European countries. They were a demonstrable literal fulfillment of the ten horns of Daniel 7.

Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking. Revelation 17 is an explanation of Daniel 7.

 

[Bible2+]

jgr said in post #234:

History can be denied. But history cannot be destroyed.

That's right.

But note that nothing in history shows the papacy fulfilling the Biblical prophecies regarding the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast").

For example, no pope ever fulfilled the "number of the beast" (Revelation 13:18). For the 666 in Revelation 13:17c-18 refers to the number six hundred and sixty-six, the "number of the name" of the individual man who is the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"). And the number of a name (Revelation 13:17c-18, Revelation 15:2) is determined by employing the ancient method of gematria, by which numerical values are assigned to the letters of any alphabet as follows: The first nine letters are 1 through 9, the next nine letters are 10 through 90 (counting by tens), and the rest of the letters are 100, 200, 300, etc., to the end of the alphabet. In Revelation 13:18, the "counting", the adding up, of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name should be done in the same way that the gematrial numerical values of the 3 Greek letters (Chi, Xi, and Stigma) at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus) are added up to arrive at the number six hundred and sixty-six.

The numerical values of the letters of the ancient Greek alphabet (including the 3 obsolete letters of Stigma, Qoppa, and Sampi) were as follows: Alpha = 1, Beta = 2, Gamma = 3, Delta = 4, Epsilon = 5, Stigma = 6, Zeta = 7, Eta = 8, Theta = 9, Iota = 10, Kappa = 20, Lambda = 30, Mu = 40, Nu = 50, Xi = 60, Omikron = 70, Pi = 80, Qoppa = 90, Rho = 100, Sigma = 200, Tau = 300, Upsilon = 400, Phi = 500, Chi = 600, Psi = 700, Omega = 800, Sampi = 900.

Just as the numerical values of Chi, Xi, and Stigma at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the Textus Receptus) add up to 666, so the numerical values of the letters in the future Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). The apostle John used the Greek alphabet because it was the most common one used by Christians when the book of Revelation was written down in the 1st century AD. Today, the English alphabet is the most common one used by Christians, insofar as English is the current lingua franca of the world. So the future Antichrist's name will most likely add up to 666 in the English alphabet. The purpose of Revelation 13:17c-18 is to facilitate for Christians, not to make difficult for them, the identification of a certain man as possibly being the Antichrist. If the letters in his name had to be transliterated into the Greek alphabet, this would vitiate this purpose, for almost all Christians today wouldn't know how to properly perform this transliteration, and so different Christians would come up with different transliterations, and so would come up with different gematrial numbers for the name of the man in question.

If Christians think that someone is the Antichrist, they need to check and make sure that his name adds up to 666 in gematria (Revelation 13:17c-18). If it doesn't, then he isn't the Antichrist. If it does, then he could be, and they need to be especially wary of him, and not be taken in by any deceptive charisma, intelligence, or amazing deeds which he might display. But even if someone's name does add up to 666, this doesn't mean that he is definitely the Antichrist. For just by chance there could be more than one person in the world whose name adds up to 666. The Antichrist also has to come from a country the territory of which used to be part of one of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). These kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4), and have a name like (for example) "Nabil Abdullah Falakal al-Hakim", which adds up to 666.

But if a man from the Middle East has a name which adds up to 666, even this doesn't assure that he is the Antichrist. For he also has to sit (at least one time) in a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). Once he does that, there won't be any more room for doubt over whether or not he is the Antichrist. His identity will have been definitely revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:3b-4).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters of the English alphabet are: A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, J=10, K=20, L=30, M=40, N=50, O=60, P=70, Q=80, R=90, S=100, T=200, U=300, V=400, W=500, X=600, Y=700, Z=800. The way that the gematrial number of a name is "counted" (Revelation 13:17c-18), is added up, is simply by adding up the gematrial numerical values of all the letters in that name. So, for example, the number of the name "John Mark Smith" is 636, because: J=10, O=60, H=8, N=50, M=40, A=1, R=90, K=20, S=100, M=40, I=9, T=200, H=8. Total = 636. The future Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18).

 

[Bible2+]

seventysevens said in post #247:

Matt 5
17 “Don’t even begin to think that I have come to do away with the Law and the Prophets. I haven’t come to do away with them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 5:17-18 means that Jesus Christ came the first time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's 1st coming, but to fulfill all those prophecies (Luke 24:44-48; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53). Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came not to abolish the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, for He did come to do that, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). Also, Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came to fulfill the letter of all of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments, for He couldn't possibly have done that. For example, some of those commandments applied only to women after childbirth (Leviticus 12:4-8), or to wives suspected of adultery by their husbands (Numbers 5:19-31).

As the Christ (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:44-46), the mediator of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-9), Jesus had the divine authority to contradict the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments and replace them with His own, even better, New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:38-44, Matthew 19:7-9, John 8:5-7), such as those He gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 14:37; 1 Thessalonians 4:2). And as the Christ, Jesus had the divine authority to allow His disciples to break the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Matthew 12:1-8).

seventysevens said in post #247:

Matt 5 . . .
18 I say to you very seriously that as long as heaven and earth exist, neither the smallest letter nor even the smallest stroke of a pen will be erased from the Law until everything there becomes a reality.

Matthew 5:18 didn't mean that heaven and earth had to pass away before the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments could be abolished, but that Jesus Christ had to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's 1st coming (Luke 24:44-46; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53) before He could abolish the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (for both Jews and Gentiles, of all times) on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

seventysevens said in post #247:

Matt 5 . . .
19 Therefore, whoever ignores one of the least of these commands and teaches others to do the same will be called the lowest in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps these commands and teaches people to keep them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 I say to you that unless your righteousness is greater than the righteousness of the legal experts and the Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:19-20 refers to the New Covenant/New Testament commandments/sayings (Matthew 5:19, Matthew 7:24-29) which Jesus, as the Christ (Matthew 5:17b, Luke 24:44-46), was just about to give in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29), and which New Covenant commandments "exceed in righteousness" (Matthew 5:20 to 7:29) the (now) abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19), which was kept by the Pharisees. Compare what the apostle Paul says about himself:

Philippians 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 ¶And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

 

[jgr]

Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking. Revelation 17 is an explanation of Daniel 7.

According to whom?

There is no mention in Revelation 17 of the four beasts of Daniel 7.
There is no mention in Revelation 17 of the little horn of Daniel 7.
There is no mention in Revelation 17 of the three horns of Daniel 7.
There is no mention in Daniel 7 of the seven heads on the beast in Revelation 17.
There is no mention in Daniel 7 of the woman in Revelation 17.

Your knowledge of what constitutes Scriptural explanation is grievously deficient.

 

[jgr]

But note that nothing in history shows the papacy fulfilling the Biblical prophecies regarding the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast").

Thankfully, those whom God called, living in the belly of the beast, realized and recognized otherwise.

 

[seventysevens]

Matthew 5:17-18 means that Jesus Christ came the first time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's 1st coming, but to fulfill all those prophecies (Luke 24:44-48; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53). Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came not to abolish the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, for He did come to do that, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). Also, Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came to fulfill the letter of all of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments, for He couldn't possibly have done that. For example, some of those commandments applied only to women after childbirth (Leviticus 12:4-8), or to wives suspected of adultery by their husbands (Numbers 5:19-31).

As the Christ (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:44-46), the mediator of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-9), Jesus had the divine authority to contradict the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments and replace them with His own, even better, New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:38-44, Matthew 19:7-9, John 8:5-7), such as those He gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 14:37; 1 Thessalonians 4:2). And as the Christ, Jesus had the divine authority to allow His disciples to break the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Matthew 12:1-8).



Matthew 5:18 didn't mean that heaven and earth had to pass away before the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments could be abolished, but that Jesus Christ had to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's 1st coming (Luke 24:44-46; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53) before He could abolish the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (for both Jews and Gentiles, of all times) on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).



Matthew 5:19-20 refers to the New Covenant/New Testament commandments/sayings (Matthew 5:19, Matthew 7:24-29) which Jesus, as the Christ (Matthew 5:17b, Luke 24:44-46), was just about to give in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29), and which New Covenant commandments "exceed in righteousness" (Matthew 5:20 to 7:29) the (now) abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19), which was kept by the Pharisees. Compare what the apostle Paul says about himself:

Philippians 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 ¶And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Lol , you are arguing against Scripture , those are not my words but the Word of God , you should take you debate unto God and tell him what Jesus means

 

[iamlamad]

No recognized Reformer futurized antichrist. Declaration of the papacy as an antichrist was fundamental Reformation doctrine.

The true church has gained MUCH knowledge of scripture since then.

 

[iamlamad]

Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking. Revelation 17 is an explanation of Daniel 7.

AT first I was going to challenge this, but after thinking about, I do believe Daniel 7 is about END TIME nations with kings. One king gets taken down, yet three remain for a time and a season.

I guess most here won't make this connection. Good post.