because those clothes are fabricated by poor children and women in india and poor asian countries where the producers pay 5 dollars per month to their workers (slaves) without caring about their health and nothing
Hi Gustav,Hi gustav,
Look, convicting of sin is the Holy Spirit's job and I don't think you're proclaiming the truth of God in this. Personally, in reading your post here, I can understand why many non-believers look at some christian ideas and scratch their heads and wonder what kinds of nuts those christians are. Believe me, they have enough ammo for that argument, you don't need to give them more.
I mean honestly, according to your chain of guilt, someone who works for Hinkel and makes fine cutlery, but one of them may be used to commit a murder, then all of us who buy Hinkle knives are guilty of murder. I think you'd have a hard time getting the Holy Spirit to agree with you on that or your position regarding clothing here.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
Take away that $5 per month and the people will be worse off. Better to give whatever extra money you have to charities that support the poor workers, including by providing the means for more self-sufficiency.because those clothes are fabricated by poor children and women in india and poor asian countries where the producers pay 5 dollars per month to their workers (slaves) without caring about their health and nothing
because those clothes are fabricated by poor children and women in india and poor asian countries where the producers pay 5 dollars per month to their workers (slaves) without caring about their health and nothing
i am not proclaiming this as the truth of god, i am making more a question because i am not 100% sureHi gustav,
Look, convicting of sin is the Holy Spirit's job and I don't think you're proclaiming the truth of God in this. Personally, in reading your post here, I can understand why many non-believers look at some christian ideas and scratch their heads and wonder what kinds of nuts those christians are. Believe me, they have enough ammo for that argument, you don't need to give them more.
I mean honestly, according to your chain of guilt, someone who works for Hinkel and makes fine cutlery, but one of them may be used to commit a murder, then all of us who buy Hinkle knives are guilty of murder. I think you'd have a hard time getting the Holy Spirit to agree with you on that or your position regarding clothing here.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
Which ones, specifically?because those clothes are fabricated by poor children and women in india and poor asian countries where the producers pay 5 dollars per month to their workers (slaves) without caring about their health and nothing
google itWhich ones, specifically?
I'd need more verification than a youtube video.google it
i cannot show you youtube documental that show the horrific conditions these persons live because they are copyrighted content
don't simplify it as "a youtube video" it's a documental by national geographic with a lot of people working on it, with images about the misery the people live in their countriesI'd need more verification than a youtube video.
If you can link me to a video, I'll watch it.don't simplify it as "a youtube video" it's a documental by national geographic with a lot of people working on it, with images about the misery the people live in their countries
I don't know what you mean. You can supply a youtube link.copyrighted content my brother in Jesus.
i am not proclaiming this as the truth of god, i am making more a question because i am not 100% sure
Yep. What a lot of folks don't understand is that you can live on NO money in a lot of countries. $5 a month, or even a day, sounds absurd in the US, but in many places you can live on less than that. It has to do with expectations and what it actually takes to "live" in a place.Hi gustav,
Ok! That's accepted. I would just be careful what I label as sin. Your position seems to carry sin from the one who actually commits the act down through everyone else that might ever have any relationship without any knowledge of the sin, as a sinner also. I don't find that to be a clear teaching of the Scriptures.
Secondly, I don't think one can make the sure complaint that just because a particular piece of clothing may be cheaper than another piece of clothing, that is is necessarily made under the conditions that you describe. People in other countries live under a different economic system than we do. In some nations, $10/day as a wage is perfectly acceptable. Bread there may only costs 10¢ a loaf. An apartment or other type housing unit only costs $50/month. As others have pointed out, you may actually be doing more harm than good for those of other nations by working to stop people from buying such goods.
China is a good example. The average annual wage in China is just a bit over $4,500. Here in the U.S. we'd starve on such a wage, but that is not the case in China. That's about $375/month. It breaks down to about $80/week. Now, the $4,500 annual income is an average and so there are people making more and people making less, but someone getting $10/day in China isn't likely starving as they would be in the U.S. Yes, someone sewing together 100 shirts/day in China could make a fairly decent income based on the Chinese economy and that shirt could likely be sold in the U.S. for $10-$15. So, you're going to tell people not to buy that shirt?
Now yes, absolutely the guy who owns the shirt manufacturing company is likely making more money. But, we have that same scenario here in the U.S. The CEO and CFO and other high up owners and operators of companies make hundreds of thousands of if not a few million dollars per year. However, the guy putting the bolts in the little holes to put together whatever product the company sells is likely only making 40-50 thousand dollars/year. So, it's all relative. That's not to say that there aren't manufacturers who use cheap child or 'slave' labor, but be careful in identifying such companies based solely on the cost of the product that they sell.
The reality is really just a bit more complicated than that.
Real life example: I was in Mexico many years ago and had a flat tire. I went to a shop that had a sign out that they repaired tires and took the tire in and a very happy toothless lady who seemed to be the sole owner and operator of the shop fixed the tire for me. When I asked how much? She said it was about $2.00 in American dollars. I was actually pleasantly amazed that I could get a tire repaired for so little and paid her more than she asked for because of my understanding of the U.S. economy. But, I didn't threaten her with bodily harm or rant and scream at her. I merely asked her how much and she said $2.00. I couldn't possibly understand how she could do it for so cheap, but she seemed perfectly happy with the charge and apparently knew she could buy food or take care of her business for that amount. So, we just need to understand that the world is not the United States of America.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted