Trump Fulfills Jerusalem Prophecy Today

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It's so confusing trying to tell the difference between the USA n Nth Korea. The nations leader are so similar... So Nth Korea threatens the nations that voted for economic sanctions in the UN. And Trump threatens the nations that voted to NOT recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital. So both are throwing little kid fits because countries outside of USA n Nth Korea dont agree with them. One nation wants to be seen as a world leader, and the other hasn't got it yet that it's no longer the leading world power.
Kim is equivalent to being a mass murderer, killing anyone, even His own family who get in his way and then millions of starving and diseased ridden people are deprived a better standard because their leaders prefers to spend most of the nation's money on nuclear wealons and himself.
And you would compare the POTUS, who is conversely a moral person who values human life and seeks for peace and prosperity.
I'm aware that this is cynical humor ... so I'll just lump it in with the rest of the trash the fake media churns out.
 
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Well, not me actually, but Apostle Paul said it...

Rom 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

KJV

Rom 11:29
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
KJV


Your response to what Paul wrote there is totally irrelevant to Paul's subject that God is going to fulfill His saving promise to his 'chosen' seed of Israel, even though they rebelled against Him. Like Paul said there, God's gifts and calling are without repentance.
God fulfills his promise regarding the covenants and promises through Jesus Christ. The remnant will be added to the Church, when the last soul is added to the Church?

Then will be fulfilled the saying, "All Israel Saved" The Church Is The Israel Of God.
 
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It's so confusing trying to tell the difference between the USA n Nth Korea. The nations leader are so similar... So Nth Korea threatens the nations that voted for economic sanctions in the UN. And Trump threatens the nations that voted to NOT recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital. So both are throwing little kid fits because countries outside of USA n Nth Korea dont agree with them. One nation wants to be seen as a world leader, and the other hasn't got it yet that it's no longer the leading world power.
You must be talking about Hillary & Obama, both commies no confusion there. As they tried their best to destroy America and its government.

Trump: "Make America Great Again" and he's doing it! :)

Justice Neil Gorsuch, A God Send!

One more conservative US Supreme Court Justice Appointment, and "Same Sex Marriage" and "Abortion" Roe V. Wade overturned and sent "Back" to the pit of hell where it belongs.
 
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So, that's your argument, God revoked
His promises? At least you cannot deny these scriptures and don't attempt to distort them. But God is pure, does not change. Which means, He doesn't change His mind and revoke covenants, promises. He doesn't do things, set things in motion, hope these humans will get on board with His plan ... or else have to rearrange things, come up with a new plan, revoke whatever He said in the past. This is a dangerous view of God and His word. His plan was perfect from the start and He didn't have to change anything. Our Savior had this purpose before the foundation of the earth. It was all purposed exactly how it happened with our sin and failures factored in. This is not a God who like humans, makes vows and promuses, puts them in writing, then changes His mind and files a new will, revoking past promises, rights, laws, property, salvation, etc.
Salvation by Grace through faith replaced salvation by keeping the LAW, so that was abolished because Christ fulfilled the Law for us. The time if bondage to these were not to be past on, bit none if this revoked God's promises.
We could not have faith in a pragmatic God who changes. We might suspect He would revoke the NT and come up with a more progressive one.
No, God doesn't change and none of these verses you present supports this.

During this Holiday, we can reflect on the certainty if Christ's promises and that our faith and hope for them is irrevocable, praise and thank Him for His perfect will for us.
Does a New Will and Testament revoke an old will and testament?

It certainly does. That is the very essence of the definition of a will and testament. If you don't believe that, then don't ever attempt to revise your own personal will and testament.

If someone named you as a beneficiary in their own will and testament, but they later revised it and excluded you, what would be your probability of legal success in arguing that you should continue to be a beneficiary in the new will and testament, because you were a beneficiary in the old?

That probability would be exactly zero.

All promises in the old will and testament were made to Christ, and are fulfilled in Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

The (second) New Will and Testament revokes and replaces the (first) old, and its promises in Christ are superior to those of the old.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


Why would you possibly lament God's replacement of an inferior old will and testament by a superior New Will and Testament? Christ has named you as a joint heir of those better promises with Himself.

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Of course, if you don't think that the new promises are better than the old, God will not force you to accept them. The choice is yours.

But replacing the old with the new is the nature of God and of what He does.

2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Revelation 21
5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”
 
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There might be a great harvest during the tribulation?

But only a remnant/minority will be Jews.
You don't know that.I tend to think the majority will be Jews. But that is speculation.
 
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You don't know that.I tend to think the majority will be Jews. But that is speculation.

What is the spiritual condition of earthly Jerusalem near the time of the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible?


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

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The three thousand Israelites (or those of that number who were Israelites) who believed the gospel and were saved and added to the initial New Testament Church (Acts 2:41) were not blinded.

Those Israelites who continued to believe the gospel and be saved and added to the Church (Acts 2:47) were not blinded.

Those Israelites who continued to reject the gospel and persist in unbelief (Romans 11:20) were the Israelites who were blinded.

It's simple what I said. If God blinded them to Christ until the fullness of the Gentiles is come in like Apostle Paul said, then it means when Jesus returns their blindness will be removed also by Him. Only then... can they be held accountable if they still reject Jesus.
 
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God fulfills his promise regarding the covenants and promises through Jesus Christ. The remnant will be added to the Church, when the last soul is added to the Church?

Then will be fulfilled the saying, "All Israel Saved" The Church Is The Israel Of God.

A huge remnant of Israel has already been part of Christ's Church. They're called scattered Israel, mainly of the ten tribes. I'm not talking about Jews either, though they are a small remnant among all the scattered twelve tribes that have been a part of Christ's Church since The Gospel was preached in Asia Minor and Europe.
 
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A huge remnant of Israel has already been part of Christ's Church. They're called scattered Israel, mainly of the ten tribes. I'm not talking about Jews either, though they are a small remnant among all the scattered twelve tribes that have been a part of Christ's Church since The Gospel was preached in Asia Minor and Europe.
There is no such thing as "Israel The Church" being a remnant.

"Israel The Church" is the complete whole.
 
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Once again you act as if God has blinded all of the Jews and therefore you are the one who does not understand. Based on the context of Romans 11, part are blinded and part are not. This is found in Romans 11:1-5.

You also seem to be close to promoting Dual Covenant Theology, which claims modern Jews are under a different covenant.
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Balderdash!


You don't even know what you say because of you're wrongly using the title of Jew to apply to all Israel when it only applied to those of the southern kingdom that went captive to Babylon for 70 years. The ten tribes of Israel didn't go captive to Babylon, for they were removed and taken captive to Assyria and the land of the Medes about 120 years prior to the Jew's captivity to Babylon.

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So the Jews prepared for the work: that is the name they are called by from the day that they came up from Babylon, which is taken from the tribe of Judah, which came first to these places, and thence both they and the country gained that appellation. (The Antiquities of the Jews, Flavius Josephus, 11.173)

The majority... of Jews have... been blinded by God. That is the Israel in part Paul was speaking of, i.e, his brethren the Jews, the specific group he was associated with in Judea that returned from the Babylon captivity. But that title of 'Jew' didn't apply to the ten lost tribes who were removed first and made up the northern "kingdom of Israel". Haven't you read your OT history?

And no, I'm not promoting the old covenant, and you are trying to create a falsehood with that accusation. Saying the Jews God blinded still believe they are under the old covenant does not mean I agree with them, silly.

Do you just say the first thing that pops into your mind a lot, your mind kind of like a roulette wheel?
 
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There is no such thing as "Israel The Church" being a remnant.

"Israel The Church" is the complete whole.

The Greek word for Church simply means the congregation of God's people. What Paul and God actually calls His Salvation is the "commonwealth of Israel" and just "Israel". The name Israel is the Salvation name God gave to Jacob. It's just that the majority don't understand that name involved God's Birthright blessings to Abraham by Faith all along.
 
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God fulfills his promise regarding the covenants and promises through Jesus Christ. The remnant will be added to the Church, when the last soul is added to the Church?

Then will be fulfilled the saying, "All Israel Saved" The Church Is The Israel Of God.

If you're trying to say no soul can come to Jesus Christ and be saved after His 2nd coming, then you are wrong.

This was specifically Paul's subject at the latter part of Romans 11, showing that Israel in part was blinded by God so The Gospel could go to the Gentiles. God's gifts of calling are without repentance Paul said there, meaning God already chose the seed of Israel, and if He blinded a portion of them away from The Gospel, He certainly can remove that blindness when this world is over and know they will turn to His Son Jesus Christ. This is why God's Word shows those appearing in shame at Christ's return, wanting for the hills and mountains to fall upon them (Luke 23). It's because when Jesus returns, then they will know they were deceived and that Jesus is the True Messiah.
 
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Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Absolutely, we are all in Christ -- but his seed is not complete yet.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
True and the promise to the remnant Israel remaining to be saved does not mean they entering through a different door.

The (second) New Will and Testament revokes and replaces the (first) old, and its promises in Christ are superior to those of the old.
In that we are saved by Grace, not the Law. But as Jesus also said, not one yot or tittle will be unfulfilled.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The New has abolished the Old Covenant. So that means anyone coming to God must believe in Jesus, that He died for our sins and rose on the third day according to the scriptures. That's the gospel and so the promises to the remnant Israel will be made by grace through faith, the New Covenant. Just because they were given promises long ago, doesn't imply they will come to God by the Law. They will see Jesus with their own eyes and believe!

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
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Why would you possibly lament God's replacement of an inferior old will and testament by a superior New Will and Testament? Christ has named you as a joint heir of those better promises with Himself.
I'm not doing that. Romans 11 happens to be in the NT -- HELLO!

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
True and so will they b.e

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
True and so will they be.

Of course, if you don't think that the new promises are better than the old, God will not force you to accept them. The choice is yours.
All God's promises are valuable and irrevocable because He does not change. Why can't you see that both the Old and New were designed to work together, one after the other, stages in a process. First the chosen nation, out of it came Christ, then the gospel spread to the world. It's just the order of human history, from Creation to the present. God's plan occurred in phases or acts if you will like in a play. Every act was valuable and necessary.

But replacing the old with the new is the nature of God and of what He does.
Really? So there's an evolution of ideas, shifting and changing in His nature? Is that part of the progressive ideology?
 
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If you're trying to say no soul can come to Jesus Christ and be saved after His 2nd coming, then you are wrong.

This was specifically Paul's subject at the latter part of Romans 11, showing that Israel in part was blinded by God so The Gospel could go to the Gentiles. God's gifts of calling are without repentance Paul said there, meaning God already chose the seed of Israel, and if He blinded a portion of them away from The Gospel, He certainly can remove that blindness when this world is over and know they will turn to His Son Jesus Christ. This is why God's Word shows those appearing in shame at Christ's return, wanting for the hills and mountains to fall upon them (Luke 23). It's because when Jesus returns, then they will know they were deceived and that Jesus is the True Messiah.
No human can be saved after the second coming because the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, has started Matthew 25:31-46

At the appearance of Jesus in the second coming, this existing earth is dissolved by the Lords fire in Judgment. 2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, Revelation 20:9, Zechariah 14:12
 
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Really? So there's an evolution of ideas, shifting and changing in His nature? Is that part of the progressive ideology?

By that reasoning, God never should have sent Christ to come and establish His New Will and Testament, because in so doing God changed His own nature. He should have retained the old covenant.

That is in fact the nucleus of dispensational delusion. It is why one will never hear dispensational preaching or teaching about the New Covenant, for the two are in diametric opposition.
 
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N Korea wants to be a superpower tyrant
The US has given billions of US dollars over the years to countries in the UN even though the UN continually is against the US and Israel ; Trump is saying that He will not go that way any longer , if the UN continues as it has been doing the US will stop giving money to the UN
Not even close to being the same ; it is past due time that the US had a President that stands up for the US ,
I was using satirical licence with a spotlight on the leaders. I realise that the USA isn't really like Nth Korea. You probably couldn't see the tongue in my cheek.
 
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By that reasoning, God never should have sent Christ to come and establish His New Will and Testament, because in so doing God changed His own nature. He should have retained the old covenant.

That is in fact the nucleus of dispensational delusion. It is why one will never hear dispensational preaching or teaching about the New Covenant, for the two are in diametric opposition.
That's not my implication, I was questioning if it was yours?
Nevertheless, our views are in opposition. Its as though you can't understand what I'm saying, let alone interpret scripture. It's best we just move on.
 
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That's not my implication, I was questioning if it was yours?
Nevertheless, our views are in opposition. Its as though you can't understand what I'm saying, let alone interpret scripture. It's best we just move on.
You're right, I can't understand a continued insistence on attempting to exhume an old, decayed, vanished covenant carcase. So agreed, we'll let our readers reach their own conclusions.
 
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