”BABerean2” said:
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
G3419 mnemeion -- from 3420; a remembrance, i.e. cenotaph (place of interment): KJV -- grave, sepulchre, tomb.
Remember that from Strong's Greek Dictionary as I proceed.
”Truth7t7” said:
I disagree with your memorial tomb theory...
Luke 16:19-31 clearly teaches the all who die presently go to one of two places
1. Righteous/Abrahams Bossom/Comfort
2. Wicked/Hell/Torment
I also disagree with your "Three Group" theory, the bible teaches of "Two Groups"
1. Righteous/Name In Book Of Life
2. Wicked/Name Not In Book Of Life
I pray you learn from this experience so as not to be so sure of your beliefs that you jump to defending them without investigation of the comments others make. Let us proceed:
Just so that we do not forget, I already posted the following three texts:
John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
Psalms 88:4-5 "I am counted with them that go down into the pit: I am as a man that hath no strength: Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand."
Psalms 86:13 "For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest Sheol."
Now let us see what else we can find:
Are the following in graves?
Psalms 83:9-10 “Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison: Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.”
Are the following in graves?
Jeremiah 8:2 “And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.”
Are the following in graves?
Jeremiah 9:22 “Speak, Thus saith the LORD, Even the carcases of men shall fall as dung upon the open field, and as the handful after the harvestman, and none shall gather them.”
Are the following in graves?
Jeremiah 16:4 “They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcases shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.”
Are the following in graves?
Jeremiah 25:33 “And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.”
Are the following in graves?
Zephaniah 1:17 “And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.”
Are the following in graves?
Revelation 19:17-18 “And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.”
While the following is Zophar the Naamathite, he knew what he was speaking about. Job 20:5 That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment?
6 Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds;
7 Yet he shall perish for ever like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he?
8 He shall fly away as a dream, and shall not be found: yea, he shall be chased away as a vision of the night.
9 The eye also which saw him shall see him no more; neither shall his place any more behold him.
Do you see what the problem is? You do not understand Sheol and Hades. In the Bible the word, “grave” or “tomb” is used to denote a place of rest while awaiting resurrection. And not everyone who has ever died is in a grave as all of the above quoted texts clearly show. Those not in graves (that place of remembrance) can be considered as in the lowest Sheol but that portion of Sheol is not considered as a place of remembrance or place of interment or a grave.
Hope that helps clear up your confusion, after all, we want to keep our beliefs in harmony with the entire Scriptures and not just what we think harmonizes with the New Testament. Right?
I will explain Luke 16:19-31 if you would like for me to do so.