John 14:15 If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments: -- so says Christ

[1stcenturylady]

What is the name of Yahweh's son? It's not Jesus. The name Jesus didn't exist in the time of our Messiah. It's not even a Hebrew name. The Messiah himself said that he came in Yahweh's name. The Messiah's name is a sentence name, as many Hebrew names are. Yah is the hyphenated, or poetic, form of Yahweh. Shua, is the Hebrew word for salvation. Our Messiah's name is Yahshua, or Yahweh is salvation, or Yahweh saves.

Therefore, by saying "believe on the name of His Son Yah-shua;" It can correctly interpreted as "believe Yahweh is salvation"

This is supported in scripture.

YesheYahu (Isa) 43:
11 I, even I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no savior.

YesheYahu (Isa) 45:21-25
21 Tell and bring them near; yes let them take counsel together: who has declared this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no Elohiym else beside Me; a just Elohiym and a Savior; there is none beside Me.

22 Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am Elohiym, and there is none else.

Hoshea 13:4
4 Yet I am YHWH, your Elohiym from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no ‘god’ but Me: for there is no savior besides Me.

YesheYahu (Isa) 12:2
2 Behold, Elohiym is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for Yahh YHWH is my strength and my song; He is also my salvation.



This verse is nothing new. Yahweh told this to Moses.

(CLV) Lv 19:18
You shall not avenge nor shall you be resentful against the sons of your people. You will love your associate as yourself: I am Yahweh.

These command look very familiar.

1.)

(CLV) Mk 12:29
Jesus (That's Yahshua by the way) answered him that "The foremost precept of all is: Hear, Israel! the Lord (That's Yahweh by the way) our God is one Lord.

(CLV) Mk 12:30
And, You shall be loving the Lord (Yahweh again)your God out of your whole heart, and out of your whole soul, and out of your whole comprehension, and out of your whole strength. This is the foremost precept.

2.)

(CLV) Mk 12:31
And the second is like it: `You shall be loving your associate as yourself.' Now greater than these is not other precept."

Notice that Yahshua didn't say that any other precepts were abolished. He simply said that these two were the greatest, while simultaneously acknowledging the others.

The laws written on our hearts are to love God with all your strength, soul and spirit, and to love your neighbor as yourself. And indeed they were. That is why the second commandment of 1 John 3:23 is to love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Neal of Zebulun]

His father's wife would be his mother, so that is incest, a sexual sin. They would need to repent, not keep doing what they were doing.

That's not what Paul said. He said 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 and 1 Corinthians 5:9-13, and then 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Notice the difference between what happens to someone who commits fornication before they are a Christian, and what happens to them when they commit fornication after they become a Christian.

You will find more witnesses that Paul did the right thing with this person who committed a sin unto death: 1 John 5:16, 2 Peter 2:20-22, and Hebrews 10:26-29.

And the man in Corinth did repent and was taken back into the fold.

You're going to have to show the exact verse talking about this exact person, because I can't find it.

It doesn't say they had children.

But if they both did repent, then the children, if any, would be clean. 1 Cor. 7

It doesn't matter if the parents repent or not, you don't have to quote a verse out of context to make the point, you could have simply went straight to the Law:

Deuteronomy 24:

16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.​

So the answer to my question about a man sleeping with his father's wife, which you never answered, is NO, both the fornicating parents and the children are not damned, they are not condemned, they are not to be put to death by being cast out of the Body of Christ. Only the parents are.

You would do better if you actually read the Law! (Romans 7:7)

Seek Yahweh and seek the Truth of what Christians are supposed to do to brothers that commit sins unto death. We are not even supposed to eat with such people! (1 Corinthians 5:11)

Only Yahweh, if He be willing, can save such a wretched spirit of a degenerate creature who rejects the Holy Commandment like the Corinthian man did by committing fornication after he had become a Christian. And Hebrews 10 makes it pretty clear that his punishment is to be worse than stoning, for having rejected Christ's blood!

If you can't woman up to the Truth in the above Scriptures, I really do not have anything to communicate with you further.

 

[BobRyan]

I have not seen a single verse anywhere in the Bible that tells us:

1. Do not put Yahweh above everything
2. Worship idols
3. Don't care about His Name
4. Forget His Sabbath
5. Curse your parents
6. Murder
7. Adulterate
8. Steal
9. Be a false witness
10. Covet

Completely antithetical to the Bible. How can anyone argue against the 10 commandments?

I love Yahweh!

Amen!

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
Christ is the one who gave us the TEN Commandments Hebrews 8:1-12

So then it was HE who "MADE the Sabbath FOR MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Let's look at the New Testament scriptures you quoted.

John 14:15 in context

“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you."

Thanks -- no part of that text deletes any other part of that pre-cross teaching of Christ.

Thus the point remains.

John 15:10

10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

And of course John 15:14
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

again this is - the pre-cross teaching of Christ.

"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Same as the post cross teaching

Bob, the problem is you see them as the same set of commandments.

Turns out they are the same. Including the one commandment never quoted at all from - in the NT "Do not take God's name in vain"

In a way most of them are,

Seems that you too agree with this obvious Bible detail

BUT they are kept in a whole new way which makes all the difference in the world

That would be the "two gospel" doctrine that Paul rejects in Gal 1 : 6-9 and insists that the same Gospel we have today "was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 thus we see Moses AND Elijah standing with Christ in glory BEFORE the cross - in Matthew 17

OT Gospel preaching included this - according to Peter

1 Peter 1
10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

One Gospel... not two.. for the faith of the saints in OT and NT

 

[listed]

That doesn't answer or negate my question.

If you prefer, I will ask another way.

If a man and his father's wife were Christians, but later had children together, would they and their children be damned?

A yes or no will do.

Only if they don't accept Jesus as their Savior.

 

[listed]

@yeshuaslavejeff

My question you originally responded to was directed at someone who believes that she has the Law written in her heart, and that the Law written in the OT is unneeded.

She asked a very tough question about first cousins being damned or not, which I do not believe she intended for me to answer so directly, but I did anyway because I have read the Law regarding the subject and Yahweh has written it in my heart.

But if she really has the Law written on her heart, she can answer my last question with a yes or no.

I don't believe she thinks the law issued at Mt Sinai is written on her heart.

 

[listed]

Didn't YHWH say that he would write his laws on the hearts of the House of Israel? I suspect that YHWH's laws are written on the hearts of those who seek him out in faith. Whether or not they pay attention to them (him) is another matter.

YHWH didn't say the law issued at Mt Sinai would be written on anyone's heart.

 

[listed]

It disturbs me that someone will claim the Law is on their heart and then go around teaching that we shouldn't keep it, and even try to entrap someone who's trying.

Thank Yahweh that no man or woman can snatch His elect out of His hand, amen. (John 10:27-30)

What disturbs me is those who claim they keep the law and don't while trying to enforce it on others as a requirement.

 

[listed]

31 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah.

33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people:

I don't see anything here about a new set of laws. YHWH's laws reveal YHWH's nature. Do you really believe that the Creator will change his nature; because some of his creations rebel against him?

Personally, I wouldn't feel very comfortable testing that hypothesis.

It is because you while you read verses 31 and 32 you throw them out or divorce them from the sentence.

The prophecy in Jeremiah isn't talking about God changing His nature. It's about God changing the unkeepable covenant issued at Mt Sinai.

The Christian isn't in rebellion for not keeping the the law which not even you keep or can keep according to OT Scripture. Romans gives a great reason for the law in 11:32. And yes God used Israel.

 

[listed]

What is the name of Yahweh's son? It's not Jesus. The name Jesus didn't exist in the time of our Messiah. It's not even a Hebrew name. The Messiah himself said that he came in Yahweh's name. The Messiah's name is a sentence name, as many Hebrew names are. Yah is the hyphenated, or poetic, form of Yahweh. Shua, is the Hebrew word for salvation. Our Messiah's name is Yahshua, or Yahweh is salvation, or Yahweh saves.

Therefore, by saying "believe on the name of His Son Yah-shua;" It can correctly interpreted as "believe Yahweh is salvation"

This is supported in scripture.

YesheYahu (Isa) 43:
11 I, even I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no savior.

YesheYahu (Isa) 45:21-25
21 Tell and bring them near; yes let them take counsel together: who has declared this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no Elohiym else beside Me; a just Elohiym and a Savior; there is none beside Me.

22 Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am Elohiym, and there is none else.

Hoshea 13:4
4 Yet I am YHWH, your Elohiym from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no ‘god’ but Me: for there is no savior besides Me.

YesheYahu (Isa) 12:2
2 Behold, Elohiym is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for Yahh YHWH is my strength and my song; He is also my salvation.



This verse is nothing new. Yahweh told this to Moses.

(CLV) Lv 19:18
You shall not avenge nor shall you be resentful against the sons of your people. You will love your associate as yourself: I am Yahweh.

These command look very familiar.

1.)

(CLV) Mk 12:29
Jesus (That's Yahshua by the way) answered him that "The foremost precept of all is: Hear, Israel! the Lord (That's Yahweh by the way) our God is one Lord.

(CLV) Mk 12:30
And, You shall be loving the Lord (Yahweh again)your God out of your whole heart, and out of your whole soul, and out of your whole comprehension, and out of your whole strength. This is the foremost precept.

2.)

(CLV) Mk 12:31
And the second is like it: `You shall be loving your associate as yourself.' Now greater than these is not other precept."

Notice that Yahshua didn't say that any other precepts were abolished. He simply said that these two were the greatest, while simultaneously acknowledging the others.

If we were to use Ieasus or Iēsous instead of Jesus which you find offensive, would you be happy? Matthew 1:21; Luke 1:31 There's nothing wrong with using the anglicized Jesus.

 

[1stcenturylady]

That's not what Paul said. He said 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 and 1 Corinthians 5:9-13, and then 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Notice the difference between what happens to someone who commits fornication before they are a Christian, and what happens to them when they commit fornication after they become a Christian.

You will find more witnesses that Paul did the right thing with this person who committed a sin unto death: 1 John 5:16, 2 Peter 2:20-22, and Hebrews 10:26-29.



You're going to have to show the exact verse talking about this exact person, because I can't find it.



It doesn't matter if the parents repent or not, you don't have to quote a verse out of context to make the point, you could have simply went straight to the Law:

Deuteronomy 24:

16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.​

So the answer to my question about a man sleeping with his father's wife, which you never answered, is NO, both the fornicating parents and the children are not damned, they are not condemned, they are not to be put to death by being cast out of the Body of Christ. Only the parents are.

You would do better if you actually read the Law! (Romans 7:7)

Seek Yahweh and seek the Truth of what Christians are supposed to do to brothers that commit sins unto death. We are not even supposed to eat with such people! (1 Corinthians 5:11)

Only Yahweh, if He be willing, can save such a wretched spirit of a degenerate creature who rejects the Holy Commandment like the Corinthian man did by committing fornication after he had become a Christian. And Hebrews 10 makes it pretty clear that his punishment is to be worse than stoning, for having rejected Christ's blood!

If you can't woman up to the Truth in the above Scriptures, I really do not have anything to communicate with you further.

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

What do you believe is the sin unto death. It would be unpardonable, right? So what do you think that means?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Amen!

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
Christ is the one who gave us the TEN Commandments Hebrews 8:1-12

So then it was HE who "MADE the Sabbath FOR MANKIND" Mark 2:27



Thanks -- no part of that text deletes any other part of that pre-cross teaching of Christ.

Thus the point remains.



And of course John 15:14
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

again this is - the pre-cross teaching of Christ.

"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Same as the post cross teaching




Turns out they are the same. Including the one commandment never quoted at all from - in the NT "Do not take God's name in vain"



Seems that you too agree with this obvious Bible detail



That would be the "two gospel" doctrine that Paul rejects in Gal 1 : 6-9 and insists that the same Gospel we have today "was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 thus we see Moses AND Elijah standing with Christ in glory BEFORE the cross - in Matthew 17

OT Gospel preaching included this - according to Peter

1 Peter 1
10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

One Gospel... not two.. for the faith of the saints in OT and NT

Exactly what was the "gospel" preached to Abraham. I know, do you?

 

[Neal of Zebulun]

What do you believe is the sin unto death.

1 John 5:

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.​

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.​

There are multiple sins unto death just as there are multiple sins not unto death.

The only way you'll know the one type from the other is by reading the Law.

Praise Yahweh!

 

[1stcenturylady]

1 John 5:

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.​

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.​

There are multiple sins unto death just as there are multiple sins not unto death.

The only way you'll know the one type from the other is by reading the Law.

Praise Yahweh!

I know the law. I was raise Seventh-day Adventist. But I really desire your thoughts on the sin unto death that we are not to pray about for another who has committed it. That has always puzzled me.

For instance, the man who was fornicating with his mother:

"In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

From what you were saying, his spirit WON'T be saved. So how do you interpret that it will be?

To me it is so he will repent. But you seem to be saying that he can't repent. That there is no more forgiveness for him, so how does he get saved?

 

[BobRyan]

Amen!

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
Christ is the one who gave us the TEN Commandments Hebrews 8:1-12

So then it was HE who "MADE the Sabbath FOR MANKIND" Mark 2:27


And of course John 15:14
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

again this is - the pre-cross teaching of Christ.

"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Same as the post cross teaching

Turns out they are the same. Including the one commandment never quoted at all from - in the NT "Do not take God's name in vain"

the "two gospel" doctrine is what Paul rejects in Gal 1 : 6-9 and insists that the same Gospel we have today "was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 thus we see Moses AND Elijah standing with Christ in glory BEFORE the cross - in Matthew 17

OT Gospel preaching included this - according to Peter

1 Peter 1
10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

One Gospel... not two.. for the faith of the saints in OT and NT

Exactly what was the "gospel" preached to Abraham. I know, do you?

So you did not see 1 Peter 1??

1 Peter 1
10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

Or Heb 4:2??

 

[ewq1938]

 

[Paidiske]

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[1stcenturylady]

So you did not see 1 Peter 1??

1 Peter 1
10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

Or Heb 4:2??

The purple is the gospel spoken to Abraham:

Genesis 22:18
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” (This was spoken to Abraham after God had commanded him to sacrifice Isaac, and Abraham obeyed this commandment of the Lord.)

Galatians 3:16-18
"16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

 

[Neal of Zebulun]

If you love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself, are you really in danger of breaking any of the above??? NO! That is why we are no longer under the law. WE DON'T NEED IT TO BE RIGHTEOUS! THE HOLY SPIRIT ABIDES IN US AND DOES NOT SIN!

This is why Jesus died for us. To give us His own Spirit to walk in. What is so hard to understand?

This is your first post to me in this thread. I believe your argument is that we don't need to study or know the Law in order to keep it.

Tell me, honestly, is it okay with Yahweh, if first cousins marry?

This was my response. You'll note it has nothing to do with salvation. It's an impersonal question regarding the Law, but this is how you responded:

My best friend's parents were first cousins. Are they and their offspring damned?

The word "damned" means "condemned by judgment", and does not directly imply Salvation in itself. This was my understanding of what I thought you meant.

But now I believe you meant whether they can be saved or not, which is not a topic we are allowed to discuss in this sub-forum.

From what you were saying, his spirit WON'T be saved. So how do you interpret that it will be?

To me it is so he will repent. But you seem to be saying that he can't repent. That there is no more forgiveness for him, so how does he get saved?

Not only was this not what I was saying, but it's an invitation to break this sub-forum's rules.

In regards to Salvation, the only thing I said was this:

Only Yahweh, if He be willing, can save such a wretched spirit of a degenerate creature who rejects the Holy Commandment like the Corinthian man did by committing fornication after he had become a Christian.

So your last post is not answerable in this sub-forum, and I'm not interested in going down that train of logic, which is not something I actually said, or want to talk about.

 

[Neal of Zebulun]

If you love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself, are you really in danger of breaking any of the above??? NO! That is why we are no longer under the law. WE DON'T NEED IT TO BE RIGHTEOUS! THE HOLY SPIRIT ABIDES IN US AND DOES NOT SIN!

I know the law.

Then please answer two questions which have nothing to do with Salvation, but everything to do with the Law. If someone asked me these questions, I would answer them with a simple yes or no for each, and of course rely on Scriptures to back my answers up. If I didn't know the answer I would say so, and admit I need to study and pray about it more.

The reason they're good and fair questions is because, if I'm reading you right, your claiming that we aren't in danger of breaking any Laws as long as we follow the top two. If that's true, then no Christian following those top two Laws would have any trouble answering the following:

Is it okay with Yahweh, if a mother and son marry?​

How about if they're first cousins?​

Praise Yahweh.

 

[BobRyan]

The purple is the gospel spoken to Abraham:

Genesis 22:18
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” (This was spoken to Abraham after God had commanded him to sacrifice Isaac, and Abraham obeyed this commandment of the Lord.)
.

It "included" that.

And this

1 Peter 1
10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

And this
John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”

And this
Heb 4
2 For indeed we have had the Gospel preached to us, just as they also;

1 Cor 10:4 "they all drank from the same Spiritual Rock and that Rock was Christ"

Such that Moses and Elijah stand WITH Christ in glory in Matthew 17 -- BEFORE the cross.