What gives you that idea?
Matt 10
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28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
What does it mean that God "can" ruin or destroy a soul in Gehenna?
Matt 10
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28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Would this be ruin as in cessation of existence or something like a spiritual death as in, for example, dead in sins (Eph.2:1)? Or as in what God did to the king in the book of Daniel in making him act like an animal for 7 years, before returning his soul back to sanity, resulting in him being humbled & worshiping God? Or, as in being delivered to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme (1 Tim.1:20)? BTW, Satan will be there in the LOF with human blasphemers.
Hell is a real place. Heaven is a real place.
Yet mankind has not the ability to SEE, either place.
For a Spirit God, to reveal things to mankind, He does so repeatedly, by associating things men CAN SEE, can comprehend, with things that are Spiritual.
The Valley of Gehenna, has a historical history of evils, wickedness, sorcery, of mankind, of fire, of burning little children, of giants, of things men could see and SHOULD want to avoid, parallel the same as what hell would be like, that men can NOT SEE, until they also reject God, and end up there.
The body is but dust; it's life is blood, it's thoughts come from the mind, and feelings come from nerves.
The living soul is mans ability to have senses, thoughts, feelings, emotions, that have nothing to do with the nerves.
The spirit of a man is his own truth, the thoughts of his heart. It can be kept secret, to himself, even while his mind is conjuring up deception and wickedness.
These parts of the man, (body, soul, spirit,) and their separate "thoughts", all co-mingle, one part aware of the others thoughts, and how and why, man can struggle within himself, when one part's thoughts is fighting against the other two.
This was what Paul was speaking of, of his flesh (mind) wanting to do one thing, while his soul and spirit were thinking in a different direction. It is the same struggle every living human man has to contend with, BECAUSE WHILE, the Lord changes our soul, (restored and saved), and births us a new spirit in a new heart (born again), we still remain Flesh and have our minds to contend with; and why the lesson our own to make our own minds subjected to the thoughts of our new spirit; and to succeed, requires one to stay steady in the Word of God.
Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme (1 Tim.1:20).
If Satan & demons are there in the LOF to possess people, just casting them into the LOF could result in people being psychologically destroyed/ruined in a multitude of ways we cannot even imagine. I'm sure that experienced shrinks have a bit of an idea of what that might involve. Or deliverance ministers/exorcists.
Of course the spiritually dead are already dead in sins. But this does not preclude there being various degrees of spiritual deadness or destruction (i.e. ruin) of their souls. Otherwise why would the scriptures speaks of those who are worthy of few stripes & others who are worthy of many stripes, & similarly. Surely a distinction is to be made between a relatively innocent infant or child, a rebellious teenager & those who have apostasized from the faith, or demons & Satan. It is conceivable that it is always possible for the spiritually dead to experience greater degrees of destruction to their souls should they continue to rebel in the LOF and until they finally repent. Though, ever given the choice to turn to God, it is mathematically impossible that they would continue to reject God for eternity.
A related matter to the understanding of Mt.10:28 is the use of the same Greek words for "soul" and "destroy" a few verses later in the context of the same chapter 10 of Matthew:
Mt.10:39 He who is finding his soul will be destroying it, and he who destroys his soul on My account will be finding it. clv
Mt.10:28 And do not fear those who are killing the body, yet are not able to kill the soul. Yet be fearing Him, rather, Who is able to destroy the soul as well as the body in Gehenna.
By speaking of "destroying" our own "soul" [v.39] did Jesus mean we could annihilate it out of existence? Evidently not. So why should we think He meant annihilation of the soul earlier in the context [v.28] when speaking of the exact same thing, i.e. a soul being destroyed?
You appear to be trying to find a measure of hope for a man IN HELL, (even angels), to be released.
The passages in Scripture, about AVOIDING hell, are warning to LIVING MEN. They are warnings TO ESCAPE the enviable, BEFORE it is too late; BEFORE the door of opportunity, TO ESCAPE is SHUT.
There is NO opportunity, for angels, to repent, be forgiven and be saved.
There is NO opportunity, for a man who, WHILE LIVING on this earth, and bodily dies, while still having REJECTED faith in God, to be forgiven, saved, born again.
Their LIFE - blood, shall depart their body, when their body dies.
Their LIFE - living soul, shall have life departed the soul and return to God.
Their SENTENCE - shall be, body and soul "destroyed" in the LOF.
Their mind thoughts/feelings are dead.
Their souls thoughts/feelings are dead.
Their natural truth' thoughts of all things, (including rejecting God), of their natural body are dead. "THEY" have "NOTHING" living, left of them to FEEL, mindfully, emotionally, nerve-wise, truthfully....zip, nada.
Their BODY and SOUL destroyed. Which means, you could peek into the LOF, and would NOT SEE, a body or soul, regardless of your being in a natural body or a glorified body.
Forever their body and soul would never again resemble a body or soul.
However the FACT is; When God created the Earth- Everything on/in the Earth, has always been here, since God created the Earth. Plastic, Dirt, steel, gold, minerals, ores, water, glass, etc. EVERYTHING! It has simply changed FORMS. You see a TREE, you cut it down, you burn it, you see ash, the ash scatters, you see dust. You say the Tree is destroyed, because you no longer SEE IT. But yet forever it remains upon the earth.
It is similar to body's and soul's. Except that, body's and soul's that REJECT GOD, shall NOT remain scattered about ON the Earth. They shall be removed FROM the EARTH'S surface and gathered into HELL, continuously burning in the LOF, continuous ASH remaining forever, being purified in a continuous FIRE.
The Whole point is to eradicate the surface of the EARTH, which was designed as a GOOD habitat for Gods GOOD creation of mankind. Everything has become corrupt, and thus Everything shall be made PURIFIED. Mankind day by day are making their choices to be INTERNALLY, and individually cleansed and purified, (soul and spirit), and all wait patiently, until the day, the Lord returns to collectively CHANGE, ALL such of the faithful's BODY'S. The Earth shall have it's occupants gathered (the faithful sheep, to the air / the unfaithful goats, to hell) thus removed from the Earth, and the Earth itself shall be PURIFIED with Fire. All in preparation for Gods Holy Kingdom on Earth to prevail.
You appear to want, and advocate what IS NOW, to BE the FUTURE. Men/angels who rejected God, all gathered together with Men/angels who are faithful to God. Angels against God, are already doomed. Men have been given LIFE, spanning the last 6,000 years - information, knowledge, visions, testimonies, secrets revealed, history of experiences, wisdom, understanding, warnings, men-servants of God, missionaries, the Word of God spread across the entire globe, God in the flesh likeness of a man to tell, show by example - AND? basically, you are promoting, that just isn't enough -
Physically DEAD MEN are DEAD. Their opportunity is lost. It was their own individual choice to not HEED the WARNING, that their TIME was at hand. They chose to ignore to act quickly and secure their own FUTURE. Because if one is NOT WITH the Lord, they are AGAINST the Lord. And inasmuch as the Lord has prepared for those who ARE WITH Him, so too He has prepared for those who ARE AGAINST Him.
And somehow, you seem to think the Lord, shall Not fulfill His Word, and MAKE men and angels who REJECTED Him, "MAKE" their DEAD BODY and DEAD SPIRIT submit to Him?
Why?
Mark 12:
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27] He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
What is interesting is; You are on a forum for those who ARE supposedly in Standing WITH God, yet are advocating for those who REJECT God. It appears you are trying to get confirmation, for the soothing of yourself, because of others you want them to believe, but they don't, and that pains you. Sorry, but if that is the case, when the door is shut, so too is their opportunity to enter.
The Lords MARRIAGE, is with HIS WITH His faithful Church, NONE shall enter into His Church AFTER the MARRIAGE.
Currently the DOOR is still OPEN ~ but for every individual ~ they alone must decide to enter. You can't decide FOR THEM. Neither does the Lord decide FOR THEM. The Lord Himself IS the DOOR and all entering MUST become His Sheep, go THROUGH Him.
John 10
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7] Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
I am the door of the sheep.
[
9]
I am the door: by me
if any man enter in,
he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Matt 25
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10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in
with him to the marriage: and
the door was shut.
Luke 13
[25] When
once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and
ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Luke 11
[7] And
he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not:
the door is now shut, and
my children are with me in bed;
I cannot rise and give thee.
Teach what the TRUTH IS, not what you want it to be.
God Bless,
SBC