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That's really the whole point of this site right? To edify one another, and to steer clear of deception, and to help one another when we've fallen on hard times right?
--------------------------------Mary & the saints------------------------------------
Well, let us first look at their use of prayer to the mother of our Savior - Mary.
Mary, is dead. No one disputes this as far as I know. But we see in Deuteronomy 10-12
Deuteronomy 10-12
10 There shall not be found among you any one that taketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Here we see that attempting to connect with the dead, is forbidden by God.
1 Chronicles 10:13 -
13 So saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;
14 And enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.
Saul tried to speak to, and actually did talk with one who was dead, instead of talking to the Father, and died because of it.
I have seen that people say they are just "venerating" Mary because she was the mother of God. But why? Why venerate her? Was it not God that gave her the place of being the mother of God? Do we venerate Moses for the freedom of Israel from Egypt? Or the splitting of the Red Sea? No. It was God that did it, not Moses. Moses was simply the vessel through which God performed HIS miracles.
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.
There is one mediator that gets our message to God. It isn't Mary, or any of the other "saints". It's Jesus. It especially isn't the "priests" of the Catholic church.
------------------------priests and their rejection of Jesus----------
Numbers 18 And the Lord said unto Aaron, Thou and thy sons and thy father's house with thee shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
Numbers 3:10 - And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest's office: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Exodus 29:9 - "You shall gird them with sashes, Aaron and his sons, and bind caps on them, and they shall have the priesthood by a perpetual statute. So you shall ordain Aaron and his sons.
My point, is that according to God's Law, the only people before Jesus that were to be priests, were Aaron, and his sons. No one else could approach the priesthood. This is what Korah's rebellion was about. They thought they could minister unto God instead of Aaron, and God killed them all, and caused the ground to swallow up their families.
Then, once Jesus came, He took the priesthood over. It's why there was a change to the law.
Hebrews 7:11-14
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Paul is writing about Jesus taking over the Priesthood for our sakes, and that there was a need of a change to the law, because the law only instructed men from the tribe of Levi, and more specifically the sons of Aaron to be priests to mediate for men to God. Now, we have Jesus mediating for us. He is our Priest in Heaven, therefore, what need is there of a priest today? There isn't. To have a "priest" today, is in direct violation of what Jesus did for us.
Hebrews 7:26-28
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
--------------------------------Mary & the saints------------------------------------
Well, let us first look at their use of prayer to the mother of our Savior - Mary.
Mary, is dead. No one disputes this as far as I know. But we see in Deuteronomy 10-12
Deuteronomy 10-12
10 There shall not be found among you any one that taketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Here we see that attempting to connect with the dead, is forbidden by God.
1 Chronicles 10:13 -
13 So saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;
14 And enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.
Saul tried to speak to, and actually did talk with one who was dead, instead of talking to the Father, and died because of it.
I have seen that people say they are just "venerating" Mary because she was the mother of God. But why? Why venerate her? Was it not God that gave her the place of being the mother of God? Do we venerate Moses for the freedom of Israel from Egypt? Or the splitting of the Red Sea? No. It was God that did it, not Moses. Moses was simply the vessel through which God performed HIS miracles.
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.
There is one mediator that gets our message to God. It isn't Mary, or any of the other "saints". It's Jesus. It especially isn't the "priests" of the Catholic church.
------------------------priests and their rejection of Jesus----------
Numbers 18 And the Lord said unto Aaron, Thou and thy sons and thy father's house with thee shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
Numbers 3:10 - And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest's office: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Exodus 29:9 - "You shall gird them with sashes, Aaron and his sons, and bind caps on them, and they shall have the priesthood by a perpetual statute. So you shall ordain Aaron and his sons.
My point, is that according to God's Law, the only people before Jesus that were to be priests, were Aaron, and his sons. No one else could approach the priesthood. This is what Korah's rebellion was about. They thought they could minister unto God instead of Aaron, and God killed them all, and caused the ground to swallow up their families.
Then, once Jesus came, He took the priesthood over. It's why there was a change to the law.
Hebrews 7:11-14
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Paul is writing about Jesus taking over the Priesthood for our sakes, and that there was a need of a change to the law, because the law only instructed men from the tribe of Levi, and more specifically the sons of Aaron to be priests to mediate for men to God. Now, we have Jesus mediating for us. He is our Priest in Heaven, therefore, what need is there of a priest today? There isn't. To have a "priest" today, is in direct violation of what Jesus did for us.
Hebrews 7:26-28
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.