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What did John the Baptist say to his own people about race?

Mat 3:9  And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 


What did Jesus say about race?

Joh 8:39  They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 
Joh 8:40  But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 
Joh 8:41  Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 
Joh 8:42  Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 


What did Timothy say about race?

1Ti 1:4  Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do


Either you are wrong or they are wrong.

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baberean2,

1. You are the only one who is wrong. You should think about that.

2. Matthew 3:9 was a message of repentance and he will not put up with willing rebels whether Jew or Gentile.
This has nothing to do with cancelling the KoH reign promises with the house of Israel and Judah.

3. John 8:39-42;
They were Abraham's children physically but not spiritually. They thought they could have the blessings and live in sin.
This has nothing to do with the KoH reign promises to Israel being canceled.

4. 1 Timothy 1:4-10; fables are untrue stories and endless genealogies which minister questions about keeping the law instead of living by faith.
Those teachers didn't know what they were talking about.
The law was only good if they used it lawfully.
The law is not for the righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient etc.
This really could be talking about Jew or Gentile endless genealogies.
Either way it doesn't matter just because some Jew who wanted to be a teacher of the law and talk about his genealogy doesn't cancel the KoH reign promises for Israel. This context is about the church age not the kingdom age.

5. These contexts have nothing to do with the cancellation of Israel's KoH reign promises in the future.
What good is a context when you just pick out one thing and attach it to another context and wrench it out of context?

6. God has promised the nation of Israel the KoH reign promises but only when they all repent.
There are many in the church that want to be prideful about being in the church and laid it over the Jews. That is not right either.
The bottom line is that he predestined both Israel for their eternal gifts and callings just as much the church's calling with Jew and Gentile alike.
Everyone in the KoH reign will be under the New Covenant and will be one in harmony.
So the positions of authority doesn't elevate one above another except people who want the church to replace Israel and for those who believe Israel is superior to the church and they are both wrong.
God gives positions of authority and it is his right to choose for he must keep his promises whether you think it is right or not.
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Truer dispensational words were never spoken.

God, who is the creator of DNA, and the God of science, is responsible for "scientific hogwash."

Riiiiight.

jgr,

DNA is not what I was talking about or science itself if it is wrong.
You are trying to save your wrong doctrine and trying to put words in my mouth.
Everybody is a Jew syndrome you have is what has gone awry because it is not true in your whole context. Quit making things up. Jerry kelso
 
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jgr,

DNA is not what I was talking about or science itself if it is wrong.
You are trying to save your wrong doctrine and trying to put words in my mouth.
Everybody is a Jew syndrome you have is what has gone awry because it is not true in your whole context. Quit making things up. Jerry kelso
Jerry,

So you don't believe what the Jews themselves are saying about the size and growth of their own ethnicity?
 
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Jerry,

So you don't believe what the Jews themselves are saying about the size and growth of their own ethnicity?

jgr,

The article is about discovering Jewish ancestry which is different from Jewish status.
You are trying to make it as a good way for gentiles from the church era to being a Jew so they can be part of the earthly calling of Israel at the head of the nations. That is not scriptural.
Once again your self effort to make the church take the Jews place. It's just another form of replacement theology. Jerry kelso
 
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jgr,

The article is about discovering Jewish ancestry which is different from Jewish status.
You are trying to make it as a good way for gentiles from the church era to being a Jew so they can be part of the earthly calling of Israel at the head of the nations. That is not scriptural.
Once again your self effort to make the church take the Jews place. It's just another form of replacement theology. Jerry kelso
Jerry,

Jewish ancestry is sufficient to determine Jewish status. You cannot deny a Jew his status if his ancestry qualifies him. Try that one on a rabbi.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the church. Has everything to do with everyone on earth qualifying ethnically to participate in what you believe are the promises to ethnic Israel, which is what you advocate in post 523, "...reaffirming the Old Testament promises of God to fulfill the physical ethnic nation of Israel's earthly calling."

Has absolutely nothing to do with Gentiles. When everyone is a Jew, there's no such thing as a Gentile.

You still don't believe what the Jews are saying about themselves.

An ethnic gospel is an accursed gospel (Gal. 1:8).
 
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The article is about discovering Jewish ancestry which is different from Jewish status.
You are trying to make it as a good way for gentiles from the church era to being a Jew so they can be part of the earthly calling of Israel at the head of the nations. That is not scriptural.
Once again your self effort to make the church take the Jews place. It's just another form of replacement theology. Jerry kelso
More confused and wrong opinions, stated as though only you have the truth.

What is needed is to get to the root of this issue, to ascertain who is now the true Israel of God and what is the prophesied destiny of the Jewish people.

I want to again make clear that the Jewish State of Israel and the established Church are not the entities that I am talking about. It is the ekkelasia, the congregation of born again believers in Jesus, that are now designated to be the Israel of God. His Overcomers and the people He calls His holy ones, the sons of the Living God. Romans 9:24-26 They are described as; those who know what is right and who trust in the Lord. This is in no way a 'replacement', but a continuation of the 3000, Acts 2:41, thru the age, until today; a vast multitude of faithful believers from every race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10
For the Jewish people, I can post many prophesies that confirm what Romans 9:27 says: only a remnant will be saved. This remnant of Messianic Jews will join with their Christian brethren, in all of the holy Land, as prophesied.
It is the 'rapture to heaven' doctrine that demands a separate Israel and Church. Is that what God plans to do? If so, why is there no scripture that says; I will take you to heaven, or something similar, that would clarify this belief. This theory simply has no scriptural support.
But what is plainly promised is protection during the forthcoming Day of the Lord's wrath and then how we Christians will go to and live in all of the holy Land. God's holy ones are seen there in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7. NOT in heaven and to think they are means they would have to Return with Jesus and that is not the case, only the angelic army accompany Him. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 19:14
 
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It's just another form of replacement theology.

Dispensationalists often make the charge of "replacement theology", when they are the chief promoters of the concept.

They have replaced the One Seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.

They often replace the word "so", with the word "then" in Romans 11:26.

They replace the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8.

They replace the New Covenant of Christ fulfilled at Calvary, with a future treaty broken by an antichrist in Daniel 9:27.

Mat_7:3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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Dispensationalists often make the charge of "replacement theology", when they are the chief promoters of the concept.

They have replaced the One Seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.

They often replace the word "so", with the word "then" in Romans 11:26.

They replace the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8.

They replace the New Covenant of Christ fulfilled at Calvary, with a future treaty broken by an antichrist in Daniel 9:27.

Mat_7:3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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baberean2,

1. Galatians 3:16 is about salvation and there is no replacement of seeds for all Jews and Gentiles can be saved.
This has nothing to do with the kingdom promises for Israel to begin with.
Israel wouldn't be replacing the church in the kingdom for the kingdom promises at the head of the nations were ther's for eternity.

2. You can disagree but you can't prove the scriptures wrong.
Your position is wrong context of Galatians 3:16.
One you do harm because you don't take in consideration of the whole context of that chapter which deals with salvation of the soul and not the KoH reign promise of Israel.
You are using the verses about seeds and joint heirs etc. to prove the Kingdom promises for Israel belongs to the church and that is nowhere in there. It is your own conjecture,opinion assuming and you are trying to force it in there as in coercion which is improper grammatically and biblically according to hermeneutics.

3. The church is no continuation of the nation of Israel and its kingdom program.
The only thing that is said to the church about the kingdom is that we we will be Kings, Priests, and Rulers Revelation 5;9-10; we will judged the world and the angels 1 Corinthians 6:1-3.
The point is that you are adding to scripture because of wrong perception of wording of particular scriptures. You go to seed on that and miss the actual truth of the actual context.
You can say it is your opinion but you can't back it up by scripture so it is just becomes trying to prove by generalizations and opinion and conjecture and coercion.

4. I have no mote in my eye but I do have the truth of the real context of the word on my side. Jerry kelso
 
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More confused and wrong opinions, stated as though only you have the truth.

What is needed is to get to the root of this issue, to ascertain who is now the true Israel of God and what is the prophesied destiny of the Jewish people.

I want to again make clear that the Jewish State of Israel and the established Church are not the entities that I am talking about. It is the ekkelasia, the congregation of born again believers in Jesus, that are now designated to be the Israel of God. His Overcomers and the people He calls His holy ones, the sons of the Living God. Romans 9:24-26 They are described as; those who know what is right and who trust in the Lord. This is in no way a 'replacement', but a continuation of the 3000, Acts 2:41, thru the age, until today; a vast multitude of faithful believers from every race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10
For the Jewish people, I can post many prophesies that confirm what Romans 9:27 says: only a remnant will be saved. This remnant of Messianic Jews will join with their Christian brethren, in all of the holy Land, as prophesied.
It is the 'rapture to heaven' doctrine that demands a separate Israel and Church. Is that what God plans to do? If so, why is there no scripture that says; I will take you to heaven, or something similar, that would clarify this belief. This theory simply has no scriptural support.
But what is plainly promised is protection during the forthcoming Day of the Lord's wrath and then how we Christians will go to and live in all of the holy Land. God's holy ones are seen there in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7. NOT in heaven and to think they are means they would have to Return with Jesus and that is not the case, only the angelic army accompany Him. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 19:14

keras,

1. Romans 2 is the scripture for Spiritual Israel and is aimed at the Jew who would believe.
Salvation was of the Jews and because of spiritual circumcision being a true Jew gentiles can be called spiritual Jews for it is all about being saved.
That has nothing to do with the KoH reign promises specifically to Israel going to the church. That is erroneous and not scriptural.

2. Now you are talking about the ekklesia now which is Jew and Gentile called the church.
I have already addressed this and it still stands that Israel the nation will still receive their gifts and callings Romans 11:25-29.

3. I have already addressed that if we are not raptured Israel will still receive their gifts and callings.
They have a physical nation now that is backslidden and will Repent in the tribulation and come back to God and receive their gifts and callings Romans 11:25-29.
BTW, Roman's 9:27 doesn't say only the remnant will be saved. It doesn't mean that they will be all Israel. Ezekiel 36:16-28 disproves that for eventually all of Israel will be saved for God will write his laws of n them and take away theirs sins and no man will have tell them for they will know. This has not happened yet and never has but it will in the tribulation and then the KoH reign.

4. Daniel 7:25 says nothing directly about being in the Holy land.
Revelation 13:7 says nothing directly about being in the Holy land.
Even so, this doesn't have the church receiving the gifts and callings of the nation of Israel.

5. Israel's remnant is on the earth.
The church is in Heaven Revelation 4:1; 5:9-10; 11:18; 19:7-10.
Then come out of Heaven with the armies of Heaven verse 11-15.
Verse 14 are saints who are clothed in fine linen, white and clean. This is the same as verse 8.
There is no angel mentioned in these verse.
It is not until verse 17 that says an angel sin a song in the sun cries with a loud voice.......
Jude 1:14; Enoch prophesied the Say of the Lord that Christ comes back with tens of thousands of saints.
Zechariah 14:5 saints come with Christ on the Day of the Lord Mark 16:38 come with Holy angels.
So the truth is that saints and angels both will come with Christ out of Heaven to war on the earth at Armageddon.

6. So you have put angels in Revelation 19:14 when they are talking about saints and you are wrong about angels being the only ones being with the Lord coming out of Heaven.
You are also wrong about trying to weasel in the church and spiritual Jew theory to make them attain the nation of Israel gifts and callings. You are wrong across the board. Jerry kelso
 
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Jerry,

Jewish ancestry is sufficient to determine Jewish status. You cannot deny a Jew his status if his ancestry qualifies him. Try that one on a rabbi.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the church. Has everything to do with everyone on earth qualifying ethnically to participate in what you believe are the promises to ethnic Israel, which is what you advocate in post 523, "...reaffirming the Old Testament promises of God to fulfill the physical ethnic nation of Israel's earthly calling."

Has absolutely nothing to do with Gentiles. When everyone is a Jew, there's no such thing as a Gentile.

You still don't believe what the Jews are saying about themselves.

An ethnic gospel is an accursed gospel (Gal. 1:8).

jgr,

1. You didn't read the article good. People can have Jewish ancestry and not qualify as a Jew.
A Jewish father and non Jewish mother does not have Jewish status. You can be a Jew by conversion which is more to Old Testament strangers at the gate in proselytizing.
There is more to it than that.

2. All the Jews are not right and there are Jews that want to make gentiles Jews for there own purposes as well as Gentiles want a Jew to become a Christian in their culture.

3. An ethnic gospel is accursed when you talk about salvation which all of Galatians is talking about.
The KOH reign promises to Israel's is not salvation of the soul, but it is gifts and callings for authority positions in the kingdom that are separate from the churches.
The condition to attain them for Israel is salvation. This was and still is and always will be God's eternal promises of the gifts and callings for Israel and not the church.
There is nothing ethnic about receiving salvation.
There is recalling nothing much about ethnicity for Israel's gifts and callings except Christ is a Jew and they are the apple of his eye but more than anything is that they were Gods chosen people that he gave the eternal promises to.
If you don't like that, argue with God. Jerry kelso
 
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1. You didn't read the article good. People can have Jewish ancestry and not qualify as a Jew.
A Jewish father and non Jewish mother does not have Jewish status. You can be a Jew by conversion which is more to Old Testament strangers at the gate in proselytizing.
There is more to it than that.

This then invalidates all of your own arguments, which have been based exclusively on ethnicity. I haven't seen any reference to "status" as opposed to "ethnic" or "ethnicity" in any of your posts.

It also invalidates dispensationalism's arguments, in which ethnicity alone is sufficient as a Jewishness qualifier.

You believe that Paul is referring to all ethnic Israel in Romans 11. You've never expressed that he is including proselytic converts to Judaism in those references. Is he?
 
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You are using the verses about seeds and joint heirs etc. to prove the Kingdom promises for Israel belongs to the church and that is nowhere in there. It is your own conjecture,opinion assuming and you are trying to force it in there as in coercion which is improper grammatically and biblically according to hermeneutics.

The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled word-for-word during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

This is a mathematical fact.

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4. Daniel 7:25 says nothing directly about being in the Holy land.
Revelation 13:7 says nothing directly about being in the Holy land.
Where else would they be? Obviously by then, God's people are a coherent group.
Romans 9:26 In the very place where they [ancient Israel[ were told: "you are no children of Mine", you [Christians] will be called "the sons of the Living God".
But there is a lot of prophecy telling us about the great exodus of all the faithful Christians into all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, +
This is the simple, logical and Biblical answer to what God really does plan for His people. The idea of a rapture removal to heaven is full of unanswered questions; how, who, why, when, etc, and just does not have any Biblical proof for it. Those who have put their hopes on a rapture, are in for a nasty shock when they remain on earth during the hard times ahead.

It is noted that you make 'armies of heaven' Revelation 19:14 and 'angelic army', Matthew 16:27, mean humans. This is a blatant error and shows the desperation of those who cling to fables.
 
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This then invalidates all of your own arguments, which have been based exclusively on ethnicity. I haven't seen any reference to "status" as opposed to "ethnic" or "ethnicity" in any of your posts.

It also invalidates dispensationalism's arguments, in which ethnicity alone is sufficient as a Jewishness qualifier.

You believe that Paul is referring to all ethnic Israel in Romans 11. You've never expressed that he is including proselytic converts to Judaism in those references. Is he?

jgr,

1. Lie 1: I didn't say ethnicity was the only qualifier.
I said the first qualifier is that the Jew be saved so they would be a real Jew.
Israel's covenant promises of Abraham and David concerning the Kingdom are eternal Covenants not the churches.
2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 7:1-8.
So the ethnicity was chosen by God himself but not because of ethnicity itself but really because he declared it and they were his people and the apple of his eye.
If it would have been the church he promised it to or anybody else it would be the same reason, he declared it and you can't prove it wrong.

2. Salvation in the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants the only qualifier is a lost soul whether Jew or Gentiles Galatians 3 and Romans 4.

3. The Kingdom program ended in Matthew 23:37-39.
Judgement by Jesus prophesied Matthew 24:1-2.
Kingdom restoration was done until the Father gives the word and that never happened and still hasn't.
Proselytizing was over in the church once the mystery of the church was revealed.
Once again you are just giving your opinion. Jerry kelso
 
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I said the first qualifier is that the Jew be saved so they would be a real Jew.
Jerry,

Your argument is recursive. How can a Jew be saved when you can't define what a Jew is?

Regarding "status" which you've now conveniently decided to swap for "ethnicity", could you provide us with any scripture from Paul or anyone else who identifies a Jew by "status." Paul's identifications were exclusively ethnic ("an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin"). Nowhere did he or anyone else stipulate that "for you to have Jewish status, your mother must be a Jew."

The contemporary qualification of "status" cannot supersede the scriptural qualification of ethnicity.

Face it Jerry, you subscribe to a bankrupt ideology which peddles spiritual and scientific nonsense.
 
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oseas,

1. First of all, no one is arguing that there wasn't 7000 Israelites who didn't bow to Baal.

2. Your allusion to the 144,000 only being saved makes them the remnant and that is not biblical as far as the earthly remnant or other Jews.
The 144,000 of Revelation 7 are the firstfruits and are redeemed from among men and from the earth and are protected through the trumpet judgements and raptured to Heaven before God's throne. They are sealed Revelation 7:3-8; they are protected through the trumpet judgements 9:4; they are raptured as the man child Revelation 12:3-5 because the woman gives birth to the 144,000 because the other half of her seed is scattered which is called the remnant of her seed v 17.
Revelation 14:1-5 shows them in the Heavenly Mt, Sion not Earthly. The rest I explained about being before the throne redeemed from among men and from the earth etc.

3. The rest of your post has nothing explicit to the Kingdom promises of Israel or that the church has taken its place.

4. The believing remnant will be in the tribulation but the woman will be in the wilderness preserved and nourished.
They will see the Lord coming back with the saints from Heaven and will see the one whom they pierced. They will Repent so all Israel can be saved and become one stick and one nation forever Ezekiel 37:16-28. Jerry kelso

>>>1. First of all, no one is arguing that there wasn't 7000 Israelites who didn't bow to Baal. <<<

Friend, I wrote this to emphasize that there is a great difference between Israelite and "Israelite," however, the messages posted here and in many other forums generalize as if all Israelis were equal, which is a grave error, worse, contradicts the Scriptures, this is tares and needs to be ripped out.

The Apostle Paul explains better than you all. What is written in Scriptures? (Rom.9: 6-8CJB) 6 But the present condition of Isra’el does not mean that the Word of God has failed. For not everyone from Isra’el is truly part of Isra’el; 7 indeed, not all the descendants are seed of Avraham; rather, “What is to be called your ‘seed’ will be in Yitz’chak.” 8 In other words, it is not the physical children who are children of God, but the children the promise refers to who are considered seed.

There is no place to generalize and say that are all Israel, which are of Israel, this is tares, once "it is not the physical children who are children of God, but the children the promise" in the time of the prophet Elijah, there were only 7.000 sons of God, the rest of the people of Israel were sons of the Devil, yes, sons of the Devil. Rom.9:22CJB Now what if God, even though he was quite willing to demonstrate his anger and make known his power, patiently put up with people who deserved punishment and were ripe for destruction?

JESUS left clear in His preaching, saying: (John 8:31-32&38-42&44-47CJB)
31 “If you obey what I say, then you are really my talmidim,
32 you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
38 I say what my Father has shown me; you do what your father has told you!”
39
They answered him, “Our father is Avraham.” Yeshua replied, “If you are children of Avraham, then do the things Avraham did!
40 As it is, you are out to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Avraham did nothing like that!
41 You are doing the things your father does.” “
We’re not illegitimate children!” they said to him. “We have only one Father — God!”
42 Yeshua replied to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me; because I came out from God; and now I have arrived here. I did not come on my own; he sent me.
44
You belong to your father, Satan, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. From the start he was a murderer, and he has never stood by the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he is speaking in character; because he is a liar — indeed, the inventor of the lie!
45 But
as for me, because I tell the truth you don’t believe me.
46 Which one of you can show me where I’m wrong? If I’m telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?
47
Whoever belongs to God listens to what God says; the reason you don’t listen is that you don’t belong to God.”


Many of Christians or believers preach about Israel as whether all the people of Israel are equal, be the sons of Devil, be the sons of God, this is tares. They which are not sons of God and belong not to God, they are sons of the Devil, they are all of the Devil, a fallen Cherub, that is the son of perdition, the man of sin, the own Satan incarnated which will manifest himself as a messiah in Israel (John 5:43)an impostor, an usurper, not so far of this present time.

(Rom.9:22-29&31-33
22 Now what if God, even though he was quite willing to demonstrate his anger and make known his power, patiently put up with people who deserved punishment and were ripe for destruction?
23 What if he did this in order to make known the riches of his glory to those who are the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory —
24 that is, to us, whom he called not only from among the Jews but also from among the Gentiles?

25 As indeed he says in Hoshea, Those who were not my people I will call my people; her who was not loved I will call loved;
26 and in the very place where they were told,‘You are not my people,’there they will be called sons of the living God!”
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But Yesha‘yahu, referring to Isra’el, cries out, “Even if the number of people in Isra’el is as large as the number of grains of sand by the sea, only a remnant will be saved.
28 For Adonai will fulfill his word on the earth with certainty and without delay.”

29 Also, as Yesha‘yahu said earlier, “If Adonai-Tzva’ot had not left us a seed,
we would have become like S’dom, we would have resembled ‘Amora.”
31 However, Isra’el, even though they kept pursuing a Torah that offers righteousness, did not reach what the Torah offers.
32 Why? Because they did not pursue righteousness as being grounded in trusting but as if it were grounded in doing legalistic works. They stumbled over the stone that makes people stumble.
33 As the Tanakh puts it, “Look,
I am laying in Tziyon a stone that will make people stumble, a rock that will trip them up. But he who rests his trust on it will not be humiliated.”


Take a care. Be careful. Whosoever falls on this stone will be broken: but on whomsoever it falls it will grind him to powder.

Remember. JESUS said to the Jews: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God will be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
 
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The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled word-for-word during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

This is a mathematical fact.

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baberean 2,

The New Covenant was promised to Israel but they rejected Christ Matthew 23:37-39.
Matthew 24:1-2 Jesus prophesied judgement on Israel and that came to pass in 70 A.D.
Acts 1:6-7 the restoration would not change me to pass until the Father said so and that never happened and still hasn't and won't till the end of the tribulation.
So the the kingdom program was over and will not pick back up till the Jews say Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord Matthew 23:39.

2. Jesus prophesied the church to come into being Matthew 16:18.
This came to pass on the Day of Pentecost.
There proselyted gentiles but for the most part they were all Jews.
The problem with your theory about the Jeremiah 31 being fulfilled after the cross is that:
a). All Israel was not saved
b). The KoH reign did not begin.
This is why that Hebrews 8-7-13 is prophetic as well.

3. The New Covenant was going to happen when Christ died and rose again whether the nation of Israel accepted it or rejected it.

4. Verse 10 says ; for this covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord , I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts and I will be to them a God and they shall be to me a people.
After what days? It couldn't have been after the crucifixion and resurrection despite what believers they had who were in one accord it wasn't all Israel and it was the beginning of the church age.
Verse 11; And they shall not teach every man his neighbor and every man his brother saying, know the Lord: for ALL SHALL KNOW ME FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST! This never happened for the judaizers were stirring up trouble and even the apostles didn't know what the mystery of the church age was.
This shows they were in uncharted waters because they basically understood the kingdom program. This shows how Revelation of different things of the church came to be.
Verse 12; for I will be merciful to their unrighteousness and their sins will I remember no more.
This didn't happen to the whole nation of Israel because they end up being so stiffnecked that Paul left them and went to the Gentiles.

5. If Israel had a second chance at the KoH reign and the whole house of Israel accepted the New Covenant like you seem to think then why didn't the KOH reign begin then?
Why didn't the agriculture sprout up free of the curse on the land like Joel says it is supposed to do?
Do you see how contradictory that is?
There is a significant reason that Israel is in the middle of the world scene today.
There is a reason they are still blinded today with the veil of the Old Covenant through the reading of the Old Testament 2 Corinthians 3:13-16.
How could the whole house have f Israel receive the New Covenant at the Day of Pentecost when Paul said they were still blinded to it through the reading of the Old Testament? Impossible.

6. When Peter addressed the House of Israel he said let the the house of Israel know assuredly, that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
3000 were saved and all the believers were in one accord and that was good and added to the church daily and that was good,
Eventually that was short lived and trouble began to brew and Paul gave up on the Jews as far as ministering to them Acts 28 and went to the Gentiles even though his heart was still concerned about his fellow brethren Romans 9-11.

7. A mathematical fact? In your context maybe. According to the biblical fact the whole house of Israel didn't receive the New Covenant.
The veil was done away with in Christ. The veil was the Old Covenant because it was abolished at Calvary. It was why the veil was over his eyes which was typical of what the Jews couldn't stand to see go.
The veil was in Paul's day and was why all of Israel still did not receive the New Covenant.
The veil won't be taken away till they Repent on the time of Jacob's trouble which is still future.
You must be blind if you cannot see that.
Just because Peter addressed the house of Israel and some got saved doesn't mean Jeremiah or Hebrews was fulfilled. Why because of proper context contradicts such a notion.
What good is a context when all you are going to do is take a few words and make it the whole context.
Quit because you're not even being truthful to yourself. Jerry kelso
 
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Just because Peter addressed the house of Israel and some got saved doesn't mean Jeremiah or Hebrews was fulfilled. Why because of proper context contradicts such a notion.

Rom 9:27  Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 

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Jerry,

Your argument is recursive. How can a Jew be saved when you can't define what a Jew is?

Regarding "status" which you've now conveniently decided to swap for "ethnicity", could you provide us with any scripture from Paul or anyone else who identifies a Jew by "status." Paul's identifications were exclusively ethnic ("an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin"). Nowhere did he or anyone else stipulate that "for you to have Jewish status, your mother must be a Jew."

The contemporary qualification of "status" cannot supersede the scriptural qualification of ethnicity.

Face it Jerry, you subscribe to a bankrupt ideology which peddles spiritual and scientific nonsense.

Your argument if full of unkoshered pork.
All of Israel and Judah are Jews.
The status is what the article said.
The point is you are trying to get the Gentiles to be not only spiritual Jews to the extreme and seem to imply that DNA and because the Jews have been scattered so much the Gentiles will be incorporated with the Jews physically in the Kingdom promises concerning the land and the kingdom because they will all be physical and ethnic Jews because of Jewish ancestry. Jerry kelso
 
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Rom 9:27  Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 

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baberean2,

1. A remnant shall be saved. That won't be the whole house of Israel . You have to have more and Han the remnant for the two sticks to become one. Jerry kelso
 
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