Jesus Held to Sola Scriptura

[The Times]

You didn't answer my question

I believe I have, your simply not understanding it yet.

 

[Strong in Him]

They did have the Law at that point and specifically the Ten Commandments written by God's Finger on stone tablets.

Ok.

 

[stuart lawrence]

It means to die for the testimoney of Jesus and where do you find the biographical account of Jesus.

Who said all scripture testifies of me?

Sola Scripture is the Law and the Prophets.

Your form of sola scripture isn't enabling you to understand the message contained in the letter is it.
Your understanding of what Paul meant by dying to the law is Incorrect.
I agree the law is written on the mind and placed on the heart, but whether it is there or on tablets of stone you cannot yourself obey the letter of it. Yet you preach people must obey that letter.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I believe I have, your simply not understanding it yet.

One of us isnt, that's for sure

 

[The Times]

The motto is to die for Christ Jesus.

The testimony of Jesus is the essential part of the Christian walk. One cannot know Jesus, without confirming it through Sola scripture.

Every convert to Christianity has always throughout history been led to the biography of Jesus, hence Sola Scripture.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The motto is to die for Christ Jesus.

The testimony of Jesus is the essential part of the Christian walk. One cannot know Jesus, without confirming it through Sola scripture.

Every convert to Christianity has always throughout history been led to the biography of Jesus, hence Sola Scripture.

I have to say, you are a perfect example of people have come accross who say they follow sola scripture.
This is what Paul means when he says you must die to the law:

Christ is the end if the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

 

[The Times]

Your form of sola scripture isn't enabling you to understand the message contained in the letter is it.
Your understanding of what Paul meant by dying to the law is Incorrect.
I agree the law is written on the mind and placed on the heart, but whether it is there or on tablets of stone you cannot yourself obey the letter of it. Yet you preach people must obey that letter.

One cannot excuse themselves from the Law. The application is now more severe than the old testament. Jesus tells that if the static law of Moses said it is adultery if one sleep with a woman without being married to her, then Jesus said if one even lusts after a woman they have already committed adultry.

 

[stuart lawrence]

One cannot excuse themselves from the Law. The application is now more severe than the old testament. Jesus tells that if the static law of Moses said it is adultery if one sleep with a woman without being married to her, then Jesus said if one even lusts after a woman they have already committed adultry.

The true hypocrisy of the Pharisees was
They did not practice what they preached/ demanded of others

 

[The Times]

I have to say, you are a perfect example of people have come accross who say they follow sola scripture.
This is what Paul means when he says you must die to the law:

Christ is the end if the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

Believing in Jesus alone is not going to get a person to heaven.

In fact many in those days will say Lord Lord Lord and be rejected.

The fact stands that even demons believe in Jesus, fear him and obey him. We today are hearing another gospel that one only needs to believe in Jesus, without fearing and without obeying. At least the demons fear and obey, right?

 

[The Times]

The true hypocrisy of the Pharisees was
They did not practice what they preached/ demanded of others

I do practise what I preach friend. I teach others to do so likewise, that is to apply the law in the heart and conscience.

 

[The Times]

Many will be sorely disappointed when their certainty of salvation is shattered, at the time of the shaking. What this word needs is a severe shaking.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Many will be sorely disappointed when their certainty of salvation is shattered, at the time of the shaking. Wha

I do practise what I preach friend. I teach others to do so likewise, that is to apply the law in the heart and conscience.

t this word needs is a severe shaking.

I'm not going to continue this. You have perfectly illustrated most people I have known, who, in effect say they follow sola scripture. You cannot practice what you preach, for, the letter kills.
And your literal underatanding of verses of scripture has left you devoid of understanding the message contained in the letter.
You most certainly do not understand Pauls message.
Thank you for making the point I wanted to get accross in this thread
Goodbye

 

[stevenfrancis]

You Said: So...... "Should we only listen to our blessed Lord, the second person of the one God, (only) when He is quoting from scripture?"

And I was just expounding on it is all...

That not everyone hearing or claiming to hear from God is really hearing from God, if they have not tested those spirits by Scripture, and not have never found a few false ones yet, and went up higher, is really hearing from the true God...

And that you have to test the spirits to see if they are of the truth by the truth (scripture)...

Ah. Okay, thank you. Yes. That is key in the reading, hearing, or experiencing God and His Church, His Doctrines, His Messengers and Prophets etc.. Thank you for the clarification. Peace to you.

 

[FireDragon76]

One thing I think that Catholics and Mainline Protestants have in common is that human experience is an important part of the way we do theology. In fundamentalist or conservative evangelical churches, human experience is not as important because experiences that do not fit with a narrow doctrinal understanding are automatically excluded.

I would argue this experiential quality is indeed even a legitimate part of Protestantism. Luther said that all real theologians must draw upon the experience of tentatio (trials) in understanding the Scriptures, as he had in his own life. It was the scholastics that came after him, on the other hand, that tried to turn the Bible into a system of propositional truths divorced from human experience. Theological systems became a kind of house of cards that had to be constantly buttressed by yet more propositions. The result was the fundamentalist-modernist controversy, where some Christians, particularly conservative Reformed Christians, tried to fight a war with modern learning and new understandings of the world.

 

[redleghunter]

Sure let's quote more. I will use the KJV as you used that translation also:

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin , for his seed remainder in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God
1john3:9

If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us
1john1:8

According to what is literally stated in the two verses. Which one is correct?

Both.

The first has to do with "born of God" and the Source of this "born of God" having "his seed remainder in him." Such does not sin, because God who is the source of the seed cannot sin.

The second makes no mention of "born of God---seed remaining."

This reinforces what Paul preached of the flesh warring with our new creation (Galatians 5).

 

[stuart lawrence]

Total nonsense.

Both.

The first has to do with "born of God" and the Source of this "born of God" having "his seed remainder in him." Such does not sin, because God who is the source of the seed cannot sin.

The second makes no mention of "born of God---seed remaining."

This reinforces what Paul preached of the flesh warring with our new creation (Galatians 5).

They both refer to christians, Christians are born of God

 

[redleghunter]

That would be using Scripture in the same way that Jesus did when discussing a disputed point with the one who said: "Did God really say......?".

It is the same reason that we all use written confirmation of any spoken message because sin and faithlessness (in us all) tends to subvert the message of the Word.

Nevertheless the Spirit within us resonates with the fact that the way, the truth and the life is a person, the person of Christ Jesus who himself is the Word of the Father.

Indeed you are correct we are led as believers by the Holy Spirit and able to discern properly:

1 Corinthians 2:

10 For to us God has revealed them through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man that is in him? Thus also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, in order that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13 things which we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people. 14 But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 Now the spiritual person discerns all things, but he himself is judged by no one. 16 “For who has known the mind of the Lord; who has advised him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

I believe the issues discussed with holding the Holy Scriptures authoritative, deal with when we have 7 people quoting what I just quoted coming to 7 different conclusions. All claiming the Holy Spirit led them to their conclusions.

What authoritative, transcendent source do we have to test the truth claims of all 7 people?

 

[redleghunter]

They both refer to christians, Christians are born of God

Yes but you missed the important part. One has mention of the source---the seed---and that seed cannot sin because it is from God and we are born from above from God.

 

[redleghunter]

So how did the Pharisees err in what they preached? And how, by endorsing what Moses stated did they weigh the people down and crush them with what they placed on their shoulders?

The application and enforcement of the Law was not just. That is what Jesus speaks of and why He stopped the mob from stoning the adulterous woman.

Remember YHWH always demanded: "Administer true justice; show mercy and compassion to one another." (Zechariah 7:9)

 

[redleghunter]

Which proves you cannot just read a literal verse of scripture and apply it. You must read the Bible as a cohesive whole

Indeed, which is a very important tenant of Sola Scriptura. Which is readily posted a few pages back quoting the Westminster Confession of Faith.