Jesus Held to Sola Scriptura

[The Times]

Context and continuity of what Paul said....

Rom 8:1 — Rom 8:8
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[The Times]

Continuity and context...

Rom 8:9 — Rom 8:11
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[The Times]

Absolutely.
Please quote where the Holy Spirit is mentioned in rom ch7 from verse 7 onwards

Now that I have answered your question and proven you in error in small matters, how can you be trusted in bigger matters?

He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. (Luke 16:10)

 

[stuart lawrence]

Continuity and context. Paul didn't write his letter to the Romans in Chapters, he wrote on a continuous scroll as follows.....

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

His conclusion in the above verse, sums up what he said in Romans 7.

Thankyou!

You are way off my friend. Here is some Bible study:

I will give you a new heart and put a new Spirit in you. I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws
Ezekiel36:26&27

The NC is being spoken of in the above

Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one you obey, whether slaves to sin, WHICH LEADS TO DEATH, or to obedience which leads to righteousness.
But thanks be to God that though you USED to be slaves to sin you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching you were given. You have been set free from sin( slaves to sin) and have become slaves to righteousness
Rom6:16-18

We know that the law is spiritual, but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin
Rom7:14

In rom 6:16 Paul states if you are a slave to sin it leads to death. He also stated the Romans USED to be slaves to sin but no longer are. But here is Paul stating he himself is a slave to sin. Is he condemning himself? Are the people Paul is writing to living far holier lives than Paul?

Therefore in rom 7:14 he is telling us sin is his master and he is sins slave

For If you are someone's, or somethings slave it or they is your master.

For sin shall no longer be your master, for you are not under law but under grace rom6:14

I do not understand what I do, for what j want to do I do not, but what I hate I do
Rom7:15

For I have the desire to do what is good but I cannot carry it out verse18

For what I do, is NOT the good I want to do, but the evil i do not want to do, this I keep on doing verse19

I know that the law is spiritual, but j am unspiritual, sold as a slave to breaking Gods laws/sin verse 14

How is that compatible with the following:

And I will put my spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws
Ezekiel36:27

Once more:

I know that the law is spiritual, but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin7:14
So sin is Pauls master and he is sins slave.

For sin shall no longer be your master, for you are not under law but under grace
Rom6:14

 

[stuart lawrence]

Now that I have answered your question and proven you in error in small matters, how can you be trusted in bigger matters?

He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also isn much. (Luke 16:10)

I'm afraid it is your error that has now been proven, according to sola scripture

 

[The Times]

I'm afraid it is your error that has now been proven, according to sola scripture

So you admit to Sola Scripture for reproof.
Isn't that quaint!

 

[stuart lawrence]

So you admit to Sola Scripture for reproof.
Isn't that quaint!

Sola scripture as rgs300 described it, NOT as you preach it

 

[The Times]

Sola scripture as rgs300 described it, NOT as you preach it

Sola scripture, right?

How about as Jesus instructed it?

 

[The Times]

Absolutely.
Please quote where the Holy Spirit is mentioned in rom ch7 from verse 7 onwards

Do you acknowledge that you are in error and that it does refer to the Holy Ghost.

 

[The Times]

You have been set free from sin( slaves to sin) and have become slaves to righteousness
Rom6:16-18

Context and continuity please.....

13Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Under the old covenant the emphasis was to be seen to follow the law, but the heart remained unchanged, like a heart of stone (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

So that under grace we are to die to the self, which implies that we deny our heart's desires and to offer ourself as instruments of righteousness.

Paul is trying to contrast the old application of faith law under the letter of the law, to that of the new application of faith law under the Grace of Law, and under the newness of the Holy Ghost.

17But thanks be to God the Holy Ghost that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.

Heart of stone pattern to the heart of flesh pattern.

Old Testament slaves to the letter of the law was used as a cover to continue on sinning inwardly in the heart, because there was no obligation to offer the self to righteousness, but rather all was done externally to be seen to be doing the right thing, whilst desires remained unchecked and unrehabilitated.

For If you are someone's, or somethings slave it or they is your master.

The master is what ought to be understood. For the outside fleshly selfish man has enmity towards God, yet the inward selfless man is a friend of God. The master to the letter of the law becomes the self, the heart's desires, yet under the newness of the Holy Ghost, the outside fleshly selfish man is considered dead.

So, in essence Paul is teaching that you should not be slaves to yourselves and your members in continuing in unrighteousness, rather be slaves to Christ's righteousness and thereby adhere to the law of grace through Christ Jesus.

For sin shall no longer be your master, for you are not under law but under grace rom6:14

Sin, according to Paul's example from everyday life because of human limitations, as he said in Romans 6:19, is the self, the external carnal fleshly man and the heart's desire that accompanies such person. In other words Paul is trying to say.....

The SELF shall no longer be your master.

That is all that Paul is trying to convey by using human reasoning.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Do you acknowledge that you are in error and that it does refer to the Holy Ghost.

It can't be this bad surely.
Let me spell it out for you.
Rom 7:7-24 does NOT at all refer to the Holy Spirit, it refers to someone under the condemnation of the law( 7-11) it refers to someone who is a slave to sin,( 14-24) which Paul says leads to death(6:16). It refers to someone who's master is sin. Paul states:
For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace
Rom6:14

In the previous chapter Paul told the Romans they USED to be slaves to sin. In ch7:14-24 Paul is speaking of someone who IS a slave of sin.

So are the people who Paul is writing to living much holier lives than Paul himself is living?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Sola scripture, right?

How about as Jesus instructed it?

When he( the holy spirit) comes he will convict the world of guilt in regards to sin and righteousness and judgement. In regard to sin, because men do not believe in me, in regard to righteousness because I am going to my father and you will see me no longer, in regard to judgement,because the prince if this world now stands condemned
John16:8-11

 

[stuart lawrence]

Context and continuity please.....

13Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Under the old covenant the emphasis was to be seen to follow the law, but the heart remained unchanged, like a heart of stone (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

So that under grace we are to die to the self, which implies that we deny our heart's desires and to offer ourself as instruments of righteousness.

Paul is trying to contrast the old application of faith law under the letter of the law, to that of the new application of faith law under the Grace of Law, and under the newness of the Holy Ghost.

17But thanks be to God the Holy Ghost that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.

Heart of stone pattern to the heart of flesh pattern.

Old Testament slaves to the letter of the law was used as a cover to continue on sinning inwardly in the heart, because there was no obligation to offer the self to righteousness, but rather all was done externally to be seen to be doing the right thing, whilst desires remained unchecked and unrehabilitated.



The master is what ought to be understood. For the outside fleshly selfish man has enmity towards God, yet the inward selfless man is a friend of God. The master to the letter of the law becomes the self, the heart's desires, yet under the newness of the Holy Ghost, the outside fleshly selfish man is considered dead.

So, in essence Paul is teaching that you should not be slaves to yourselves and your members in continuing in unrighteousness, rather be slaves to Christ's righteousness and thereby adhere to the law of grace through Christ Jesus.



Sin, according to Paul's example from everyday life because of human limitations, as he said in Romans 6:19, is the self, the external carnal fleshly man and the heart's desire that accompanies such person. In other words Paul is trying to say.....

The SELF shall no longer be your master.

That is all that Paul is trying to convey by using human reasoning.

Paul is telling the Romans that though they used to be slaves to sin, by following the truth of his gospel message they were set free of being slaves to sin, and crossed over to bring slaves of righteousness. This happened by them following the truth of grace preached to them. So why is the person being spoken of in ch7:14-24 still a slave to sin?
Under grace we die to the law of righteousness. The power of sin is the law(1 cor15:56)
Hence:
For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace rom6:14

So why is sin the master of the person described in ch7:14-24?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sure: "Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone.''" - Jesus

I like the written Word.........

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
occurs 283 times in 275 verses in the YLT.

Exo 24:12
Then the LORD said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.”

1Corin 4:6
Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other.

Rev 22:19
and if any one may take away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the scroll of the life, and out of the holy city, and the things that have been written in this scroll;'

 

[Root of Jesse]

Jesus held to the idea that scripture, not church office-holder, is the ultimate authority for the believer, so why don't you?

He decidedly did not. In fact, the gospel yesterday showed otherwise:
Jesus said to his disciples:
"If your brother sins against you,
go and tell him his fault between you and him alone.
If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
If he does not listen,
take one or two others along with you,
so that 'every fact may be established
on the testimony of two or three witnesses.'
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church.
If he refuses to listen even to the church,
then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
Amen, I say to you,
whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven,
and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Jesus is speaking to the disciples, whom he was training for positions of authority in His Church.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The point is, Jesus appealed to scripture, not hierarchical authority structures.

The point of Matthew 16:15-20 is that the disciples have the authority to bind and loose.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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