Is it okay to be a Christian and support same sex marriage?

[SilverBear]

Do you also condemn the Bible when it says being guilty of one sin makes you guilty of all sins? James 2:10

Further, in the old covenant, both rape & homosexual acts were punishable by death. So, God seems to view them in a rather similar way.

So why tell Greenleaf62 "you can still treat people with love and kindness" and then go on to spew hate?

 

[Monk Brendan]

How can you call yourself a follower of יהוה, if despite Him literally telling us that homosexuality is Him giving us over to reprobate minds you still defend it? It's us choosing our passions over Him, and Him giving us up. The absence of Him, is how Satan takes hold. Not to mention, read the verse I linked. Its a chain of events that happens. The US, an consequently the whole modern world has walked that exact path He describes right there in the scripture. Don't call yourself a believer in Him if you're not going to use His word as a legitimate form of arriving at a conclusion to something. Science is after all only the foolishness of the world.

Hey, guys, I don't have to defend myself to you! Nor are you allowed to judge my stand with CHRIST. You have no idea of my life until I signed on to CF. The only judge I have to stand before is Jesus, and I trust Him to judge rightly. I added the emphasis to your quote to point out a rule. Stating or implying that another Christian member, or group of members, are not Christian is not allowed. And yet, that is exactly what you (and others in this thread) are doing.

I defend gay rights, and so on, because I have a brother who is gay, and I love him dearly. I have led both him and his partner (husband--he is legally married) to Christ. His pastor has refused, continually, to judge him, and has let him know that as long as he is pastor, they are parishioners. Now, how should I tell him that his marriage is immoral, and his whole life has been a waste, and he is bound to hell.

BTW, he is 70, and his husband is 72. Sex is not an issue at this point.

 

[joanne0703]

Internet fraud, for instance, simply did not exist in 1st century Judea. Terrorism, stalking are also more modern crimes. Terrorism was called raiding and war. Stalking is something that men have been doing for ages, long before Jesus walked the earth.

But you ducked the question. Show me ONE instance from the Gospels where Jesus spoke against homosexuality. I can tell you of one where Jesus speaks about the faith of a homosexual.

Matt 8:5-10 talks about the centurion with a sick servant. The word used for "servant" is "pais" which has, as one of it's meanings, a male concubine. Jesus did not rebuke him, rather, He praised him for his faith!

Obviously, Jesus knew his servant was a homosexual, and that the centurion was in a sexual relationship with him, yet He says nothing about that.

Um...sorry. That's fantasy fiction.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Again, a post meant to justify doing anything you want. You're searching for verses to take out of context to defend your theory of giving a green light to everything. You're not taking scripture as a whole unit you're lifting verses out that you like. The gay married man does not have a soul that is beyond saving, thanks to faith & grace. That's different then saying go ahead and marry the same sex it's all good.

Forgive me, but your post tells me and others it is okay to discard people, to distance yourself from them. How is that going to lead my brother to Christ?

 

[SilverBear]

What good would it do to encourage people in doctrines that blindly lead others to Hell for all eternity? That's not very "loving" is it? What exactly was your argument?

Christians spent generations preaching that African's had black skin because they had been cursed. How widely held is that doctrine today?
My point is that when you start tossing out words like cursed and perversion and demonic when talking about entire minorities as a means to justify prejudice you alienate every rational person around you especially that minority. You can't encourage any doctrine while spewing that sort of filth.

 

[-V-]

So why tell Greenleaf62 "you can still treat people with love and kindness" and then go on to spew hate?

What "hate" would that be? Pointing out what the Bible teaches? That's "hate" now?

 

[Monk Brendan]

It's not about not passing judgement it's about how you pass judgement.

Forgive me, but Matt 7:1 says, “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”

Nobody has the right to judge my actions, or the actions of anyone else. No way, no how.

Learn the Bible before you start talking about it.

 

[SilverBear]

homosexuality had officially been listed as a mental disorder/illness in the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders before 1973

and it got booted off the list when no one could find any shred of evidence that it was a mental disorder

 

[joanne0703]

Christians spent generations preaching that African's had black skin because they had been cursed.

Christians spent generations preaching that African's had black skin because they had been cursed. How widely held is that doctrine today?
My point is that when you start tossing out words like cursed and perversion and demonic when talking about entire minorities as a means to justify prejudice you alienate every rational person around you especially that minority. You can't encourage any doctrine while spewing that sort of filth.

How widely held is that doctrine today?
My point is that when you start tossing out words like cursed and perversion and demonic when talking about entire minorities as a means to justify prejudice you alienate every rational person around you especially that minority. You can't encourage any doctrine while spewing that sort of filth.

 

[-V-]

and it got booted off the list when no one could find any shred of evidence that it was a mental disorder

And do you know WHY it was removed? It wasn't because of any scientific study or research. They removed it simply because they caved to pressure from the homosexual community.

 

[joanne0703]

As an African I can tell you that it's not only Christians that had that view.

 

[SilverBear]

Well I'm schizophrenic and one time years ago I beat two people up, because I was delusional and paranoid and couldn't afford my meds for a couple years. Didn't have Obama care back then. And I was prosecuted as a normal person and sent to jail for 7 months. I probably should have been sent to a mental ward instead where I could have been treated for my illness. I see it as an injustice of the sick and afflicted to treat them as normal decision making people. But I'm on meds and haven't had any problems for a long time. Had I had medical care I wouldn't have got into trouble and the incident wouldn't have happened.

Hey maybe some day they'll have meds for homosexual's brain dysfunction or whatever it is?

oh they had the cure for homosexuality (the treatment was 70% effective), it was just outlawed a generation ago. It was called an ice pick lobotomy

 

[joanne0703]

But no matter what anybody says or what anyone feels like or our country of origin: it boils down to what God says. Period.

 

[joanne0703]

You either believe God's word you don't. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[Monk Brendan]

This article reports gay-lesbian people die much younger than heterosexuals:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2007/04/04/american-scientist-gays-die-younger-than-smokers/

And this trash was written by "Doctor" Paul Cameron, one of the most homophobic people in the world, who was a member of the APA, and was kicked out, because his methodology is so bad. Every word that he says is a lie, including "a", "and" and "the."

 

[Monk Brendan]

It is said that Jesus wrote all of scripture
through the Holy Spirit
from God's breath
through Paul
in some circles

But that doesn't answer my question!

 

[SilverBear]

homosexuality is at least a mental deviation, and it is curable, especially through righteous faith and prayer

there is zero evidence to support either of these claims

 

[Monk Brendan]

the cause of every disease/illness/disorder is a devilish spirit rather than germs, bacteria, or disorder coming from the very nervous system or the very physical organism, which is why Jesus and His true disciples always cast devilish spirits out of demon-possessed people - everything they did was based on exorcism, including the healing through faith, prayer and laying on of hands, as in the following case:

THAT is foolishness!

 

[Monk Brendan]

They are not politically correct questions; they are things God calls abominations. Examine the list. How many threads do you see around Christian Forums about the other ones? My point is why does this one get so much play? Do we equally chastise the remarried divorced folk in our pew? Do we advocate for legislation that the divorced should be denied 2nd marriage? Why do some people obsess so much over other people's sins?

AMEN! But you know, God also told the Jews that it was the same Toevah that he used toward men sleeping with men to wear mixed fabric. Shouldn't there be an usher at the back of the church making sure no one is wearing a poly-cotton blend? Ahhhh!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Let me start off by apologizing if I'm putting this in the wrong part of the forum. This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I'm hoping to get some opinions. I support not only same sex marriage, but also the LGBT community in general. Can I still be a Christian despite this? I know that something such as same sex marriage directly goes against what's in the Bible (marriage being between one man and one woman). I'm really conflicted here. I feel guilty, but I can't change how I feel. Thanks for reading.

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